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post Jun 30 2015, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jun 30 2015, 05:12 PM)
Oh yes, I understand now. I find the Book of Romans the easiest to understand out of all of Paul's letters.  thumbup.gif
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Romans 7 explains it clearest in verse 15 - 20


15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.


As long as we are in this earthly body, the Sin nature which the Bible call the Flesh is in us. We need to be careful with definition. The Bible states that we have the nature of Flesh but we are not the flesh. We are a new creation in Christ.

That is why it's a daily battle for the repentance of the mind to believe that we (already) ARE a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Why? Because of our body. Until we are cloth with our new Heavenly Body, this flesh nature is still there.

It is not the striving of our actions that changes but the repentance of the mind. Bible says Be transform by the renewing of our mind. Church traditionally preaches, repentance through our action but Bible say repentance start in the mind area first. Sometime it's because of wrong preaching using fear and intimidation of Hell, we get messed up in wrong theology. That to me is Man's teaching not of God. God's way is that his Grace always comes first (mercy, kindness and favor) that leads us to repentance.

So with this in mind, do you understand what Hebrews 10:26 is trying to say?

The key word here is not so much on deliberate sinning but "no sacrifice for sins is left". That is a very BIG Clue, what it's trying to convey.


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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Hello,

you can search for Hillsong playlist in Spotify under these recommended Album


1. No Other Name (Deluxe Edition/Live)
2. Glorious Ruins (Live)
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post Jun 30 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Online? or store?

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post Jun 30 2015, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 07:30 PM)
Hihi biggrin.gif

wonder if any recommended Hillsong playlist in youtube or spotify?

appreciate if there is any... biggrin.gif

(or where is the most worthy place to purchase hillsong collection?)
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Online? or store?

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post Jun 30 2015, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jun 30 2015, 08:52 PM)
You got to be kidding me!  shocking.gif

But I saw a lot of fat dudes eating durian near the road side that day when I droved passed by.
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trust me Durian is for everyone, fat or non fat though the risk is there, still willing to consume it drool.gif
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post Jun 30 2015, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 30 2015, 10:11 PM)
Online? or store?
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Online is purchasing song by song?
i prefer CD...

Any stores around KL/Selangor?
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 09:14 PM)
Hello,

you can search for Hillsong playlist in Spotify under these recommended Album
1. No Other Name (Deluxe Edition/Live)
2. Glorious Ruins (Live)
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woo thanks a lot biggrin.gif
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post Jul 1 2015, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jun 30 2015, 09:03 PM)
Romans 7 explains it clearest in verse 15 - 20
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.c For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
As long as we are in this earthly body, the Sin nature which the Bible call the Flesh is in us. We need to be careful with definition. The Bible states that we have the nature of Flesh but we are not the flesh. We are a new creation in Christ.

That is why it's a daily battle for the repentance of the mind to believe that we (already) ARE a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come. Even though it doesn't seem like it. Why? Because of our body. Until we are cloth with our new Heavenly Body, this flesh nature is still there.

It is not the striving of our actions that changes but the repentance of the mind. Bible says Be transform by the renewing of our mind. Church traditionally preaches, repentance through our action but Bible say repentance start in the mind area first. Sometime it's because of wrong preaching using fear and intimidation of Hell, we get messed up in wrong theology. That to me is Man's teaching not of God. God's way is that his Grace always comes first (mercy, kindness and favor) that leads us to repentance.

So with this in mind, do you understand what Hebrews 10:26 is trying to say?

The key word here is not so much on deliberate sinning but "no sacrifice for sins is left". That is a very BIG Clue, what it's trying to convey.
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...I understand Romans 7 but uh I still don't get how it applies to Hebrews 10 OTL

I'm guessing that, if they go back to Judaism they will keep sacrificing animals. But the fact that, with Jesus that's the final sin sacrifice and therefore they literally have no more for sins.

Something like that? rclxub.gif
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post Jul 1 2015, 12:42 AM

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All the obama blaming bothers me too. Just how much can he do? He go fight, people complain he waste money. If he don't fight, say ignore the plight of Christians and Yadzidis.

To be realistic I can't expect him to turn the tides of war anytime soon, if ever. America has too many internal problems of their own.

Sigh there is literally nothing we can do to help...
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post Jul 1 2015, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 1 2015, 12:03 AM)
...I understand Romans 7 but uh I still don't get how it applies to Hebrews 10 OTL

I'm guessing that, if they go back to Judaism they will keep sacrificing animals. But the fact that, with Jesus that's the final sin sacrifice and therefore they literally have no more for sins.

Something like that?  rclxub.gif
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Link the Bible in it's entirety.

The main theme is this: Apart from Christ, there is no hope and neither is repentance nor Salvation made available. The Law of God cannot provide this for us.
We already know this because we are handed with the complete Bible.


If you read Hebrews 10: 1-18, it explains why the Law cannot make us Holy, neither justify us or cleansed our sins. But by One Act of Christ, God has removed every sins of the believer forever. Verse 18 says it like this:

And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.


Do you see that? Sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. What Jesus did was a DONE deal once and for all.

However, these people at that time, rejected Christ, despite having seen all that Christ has spoken and done. For them no sacrifice for sins is left. Because God has set aside and nullified the first covenant. (Hebrews 10:9 & Hebrews 8:13)

If you're concern about deliberate /willful sinning part, perhaps if you see this verse, you may understand better.

Hebrews 3:12 (NIV) - See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God.

Meaning Unbelief is a Sin.

If you replace the word deliberate sinning with deliberate unbelief and read further down from Hebrews 10: 27-31, you may began to see the revelation.

After all, In Hebrews 3:13 it did say to encourage one another day after day and Hebrews 10:25 does say not giving up meeting together..


All these in context of encouraging one another through assemblies of the Church to spur on Faith.


If you look from Bird's eye view of all these. It's talking about people who willfully or deliberately reject Christ or choose not to believe in Him, for them, there is no more sacrifice of sins left and be brought back to repentance.
(Hebrews 10:26 & Hebrews 6:6).



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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 1 2015, 12:42 AM)
All the obama blaming bothers me too. Just how much can he do? He go fight, people complain he waste money. If he don't fight, say ignore the plight of Christians and Yadzidis.

To be realistic I can't expect him to turn the tides of war anytime soon, if ever. America has too many internal problems of their own.

Sigh there is literally nothing we can do to help...
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Just ignore them. Obama is a Christian and is trying his best.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 1 2015, 12:51 AM)
Just ignore them. Obama is a Christian and is trying his best.
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How can a Christian support abortion?
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 1 2015, 01:25 AM)
How can a Christian support abortion?
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Don't just listen to rumours or what people say, if you check his speech, He is also Pro Life enough to support to reduce the number of abortion.

With that being said, I also believe God is sovereign enough to ensure which fetus get through the process of birth.

This is something beyond you and me to judge.

And before you bring up the issue of LBGT, for that He will answer for his actions if God asked in the after life.

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QUOTE(PlayPlayHa @ Jun 30 2015, 11:08 PM)
Online is purchasing song by song?
i prefer CD...

Any stores around KL/Selangor?
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check out salavation branch in SS2, they are the sole distributor for Hillsong album, no GST charges they also are the distributor for intergrity music albums

canaanland for other christian band album like chris tomlin, planet shakers and many more
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 1 2015, 08:56 AM)
Don't just listen to rumours or what people say, if you check his speech, He is also Pro Life enough to support to reduce the number of abortion.

With that being said, I also believe God is sovereign enough to ensure which fetus get through the process of birth.

This is something beyond you and me to judge.

And before you bring up the issue of LBGT, for that He will answer for his actions if God asked in the after life.
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We can certainly judge based on external acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy...d_contraception
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 1 2015, 05:35 PM)
We can certainly judge based on external acts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_policy...d_contraception
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I never deny He implemented abortion policy, what I'm trying to say is don't think that He only wants abortion one sided, He also wants it reduced if possible.

Check out his youtube video on this matter, you can find it easily to support what I say is balanced.
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 1 2015, 06:55 PM)
I never deny He implemented abortion policy, what I'm trying to say is don't think that He only wants abortion one sided, He also wants it reduced if possible.

Check out his youtube video on this matter, you can find it easily to support what I say is balanced.
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What I read from you is...fine, he allowed murder, but also tries to reduce murder if possible. Absolutely amazing.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 1 2015, 07:05 PM)
What I read from you is...fine, he allowed murder, but also tries to reduce murder if possible. Absolutely amazing.
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I can understand your outburst but there are varying difference of doctrine with regards to this matter

Problem is, you are enforcing your catholic doctrine of what constitute a human life and pin condemnation on me based on that.

I think that is not fair.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Jun 30 2015, 10:13 PM)
trust me Durian is for everyone, fat or non fat though the risk is there, still willing to consume it drool.gif
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ohmy.gif

I need to watch my waistline.

Later my wedding dress won't fit. laugh.gif

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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder? hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

Enlighten me.


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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 1 2015, 08:02 PM)
ohmy.gif

I need to watch my waistline. 

Later my wedding dress won't fit.  laugh.gif

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Why does Catholics consider abortion as murder?  hmm.gif

Is it because of The Ten Commandments?

I haven't come across any verse in The Bible that's pro or against abortion. Maybe I missed out.

Enlighten me.
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Those Kristians always quote this :

" For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. " Psalm 139 13 - 16


for additional reading : Roe vs Wade

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