I don't think we're arguing whether murder is wrong. Murder against any person is wrong but the question is,

Does an embryo/fetus constitute as a person one who can operate all the functionality of life as a human being.

Many theologian readily agree to say "I don't know" which IMO is the better judgement.

Ok thanks. Will read later.

Yes, murder is wrong.

So when does "life" actually start? Fetus stage? Or when the baby is born?

Furthermore, Catholics don't allow the use of contraception.

I honestly think The Bible is not an encyclopedia for everything.

All these men made laws are just........IDK. Enlighten me..haha....

i thot Obongo is a Muslim?

Bapa tiri nya orang Indonesia sih. Obama bisa omong-omong bahasa Indonesia.

This is where science does know... Development of the fetus' neuron cells and the nervous system can be quantified... pain neurons developes around 7 weeks.... higher brain function developes later...

Here's a wrench.... any stem cells from a person (even adults) can be cloned and developed into your twin, an entirely different person.

OIC. My science sucks.

hmmm...Can clone you say? But sometimes the clones are not good as the original?

I read that some people collect the newborn stem cells so that they can cure themselves later?

Clones can even be better any defects can be corrected.... and function can even be added... genomically it can be a better you the original.....

That much of science is achievable now.... it's not science fiction. When we could fully control the genome... longevity and immortality maybe achievable...

Well John 3: 16 is enough for me to believe that we shall have eternal life.

Ah men with their immortality obsession. Then why would we need God if we can create better clones of ourself?

so how does this work? does the newly cloned body come wif a soul?

On the other hand, cloning for plants should be ok. hehe...

Hey, why can't they clone a odourless durian?

Some religions were created on the basis of the immortal soul.... you cannot blame Science for actually engaging in it, infact every disease cured/treated is in a way prolonging it.

Good question, some of us don't need God .... though clones are not the solution, aspects of evolution, creation of variety ensures the progression/adaptation of the species. You cannot remain unchange, while the enviroment actually changes... In place of natural variation there could be engineered and selected variation.

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We can GMO an odourless Durian.... though Odour is closely related to taste, so it'd not be as tasty as well..

p.s. Human's sense of smell so much weaker than other animals.... our senses are very much limited, the only organ we could truely boast about is our brain....

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jul 1 2015, 09:40 PM

If soul = consciousness... then yes, every cloned individual will have a soul.... as it happens naturally with identical twins/triplets/quadruplets...etc

and how far away are we now, exactly?

That sentence has when and maybe...... An educated guess on longevity of perhaps another additional 50 or so years (to the average now)... give or take around 30 years... with breakthroughs, it maybe faster

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jul 1 2015, 09:56 PM

eating few pieces won't do you any harm tina...........

give it a try, you'll definitely liked it for sure

Actually Martin Luther also considered contraception as wrong. Here's from a Lutheran:

http://bound4life.com/history-of-contracep...testant-church/

It was only much later that Protestants slowly started to accept contraception, and now divorce, and now gay 'marriage' and so on and so forth.

What then do you constitute as a human person? Immediately after birth? 7 weeks? 3 months? 6 months?

I think you should be aware that it is not only Catholics who are against abortion. Of course it is a shame to say also, that there are many so-called Catholic politicians who supports abortion. This is the mystery of iniquity and salvation, where even among the 12 apostles, there was one who betrayed Jesus. Even non-Christian religions consider abortion a very grave crime.

We DO NOT!!!

Divorce is always looked upon very seriously b'cos God says , "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder"

go read Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31, Mark 10:9 & Matt 19:6

There must be very solid reasons for which are considered good grounds for divorce e.g. either spouse has committed adultery.

Ppl who accept gay marriages are not Christians! There are a lot of folks who are Christians in name only.

On June 26, 2015, the US Supreme Court ruled that the US Constitution guarantees the right for same-sex couples to marry in all 50 U.S. states.

Rest assured, judgement will fall on America if they continue in the same vein


Now get back to your thread! Catholic thread is -------------------------------> W A Y ! ! !

Good for you, but there are many flavours in Protestantism. So I'm not sure which flavour is yours. If yours is against divorce, gay 'marriage', and so on, that's a good thing to hear.