going to hell is irrelevant with what you do to the mormon guy, irrelevant with lawyer occupation.

Have you received JESUS as savior ?
If yes then don't worry about hell.
If no, then you have risked yourself with hell.

Ah, I've always confused between ankle and heels.

Dude, you need to control your food intake and exercise more.

Proverbs 23:20-21

Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh: For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags.

I hate durian smell. That's why I don't eat it in its natural form. I'll eat Durian creme brulee and durian cream puff though. hehe...

Saya tidak suka memakan durian sebab bau nya dan terlalu manis.

This post has been edited by tinarhian: Jun 24 2015, 10:18 PM

nope, i don't have the time yet

tinarhian Durian is good, i just had durian again yesterday for my supper yummy

Hope you'll be ok Luffy

You know durian is high in sugar.

depend on which type, but still my favourite is durian and it was just like once a year only not all year long

Huh? I thought there's only 2 types. Big and small durian.

Still a lot of sugar.

there are many type of durians..........it was specialised into grade depend on it taste, some is bitter and alcoholic while some is slight bitter and sweet or abit toxic and sweet

I haven't even touch one durian this season.

haih.

Durian is getting cheaper already, suggest you feast on one soon

Unknown Warrior Pehkay

I need some context help.

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

What constitutes as 'deliberately sinning' here? As long humans are humans we're going to carry bad habits and sinful habits to the grave. Because nobody is perfect.

There has to be a bigger context here

Seriously?!

Yeah but it is still smelly.

But I like the small round and hairy fruit (looks like a male scrotum)

Ah..what's the name.?

Oh you means Rambutan? not my type i eat that the less, compared to mata kucing or longan which i ate more, always when there's cheap sales at night market i buy 2 kilos worth with or without stalks or even more 4 kilos i globes it up in a day or 2 after 2 hours of drenching the fruits

The previous verse 25 is the first context. To sin willfully here means to abandon one's own assembling together with the church.



This would have constituted a willful sin in the eyes of God, in that it would have been committed after they had received the knowledge of the truth, after they had come to know that God had abandoned Judaism, which was formed according to the old covenant, and had initiated the new and living way of contacting God according to the new covenant.

In the bigger context, what is mentioned in 10:27-31 as a warning does not refer to eternal perdition for the unbelievers but to God's dispensational punishment of His children who do not obey His word. We must be assured that once we have God's salvation, we shall never lose it. However, if we do not care for God's word, we shall be punished. To be punished by God is not to be hated by Him. Rather, it is a sign that God the Father loves us. He disciplines whom He loves, not treating them as bastards but as dear sons. Surely the Father will discipline us.

As our wise Father, He has a just way of dealing with us, His children: He will reward the faithful and obedient ones and punish the unfaithful and disobedient ones. According to most of the teachings, it seems that God only rewards the faithful ones but does not punish the unfaithful. This is not logical. Our Father is much wiser than this.

Two important things are mentioned in chapter 10, the worse punishment (v. 29) and the great reward (v. 35). These two phrases are both heavy and meaningful; they are the keys to this fourth warning. The writer of this epistle was not concerned with our salvation, for according to what he has written, it is eternally secure. The writer has made it quite clear that Christ has offered Himself to put away sin once for all (7:27; 9:26, 28) and that He has obtained for us an eternal salvation (5:9). Having entered once for all into the Holy of Holies, He has found for us an eternal redemption (9:12). The writer knew that our salvation was fully, thoroughly, and completely secure and that we have been saved forever. However, he was very concerned whether his readers would receive a great reward or suffer punishment.

Hope that helps.

Hi Sophie,

You're right, you got to see the bigger picture by linking in all the verses together. What you quoted is in chapter 10, try reading chapter 6 first.

Read Hebrews 6:4-6

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.


These 2 chapters are synonymously linked. On the surface reading, in plain english, it may sound like "once we are christians, if we keep on deliberately sinning, there is no more Salvation" But as you know that contradicts because the Bible also says "If we confess our sins, God is faithful to forgive". How can God says He will forgive and yet here puts up a warning, that it is impossible to be brought back for repentance and there's no more sacrifice of sins left despite that He will forgive? English interpretation of Greek writings in the context of Hebrew words can be confusing when we don't know the entire context.

In Hebrew 6:4, the word used is enlightened, In Hebrews 10:26, the word used "after we have received the knowledge of truth"

Truth here is on the side of God's Grace. (John 1:17), I submit to you, the entire context here is talking about rejecting the Covenant of Grace and insisted on Going back to the Law to be justified.

In Simple english, when we have been enlightened (being made known) on the Gospel of God's grace (knowledge of Truth) and yet Reject Christ (someone who save us vs we trying to save ourselves), and insist of going back to performance based merit in justification to Salvation, then there is no more sacrifice of sins left (Which is correct anyway because God has nullified the Old Covenant anyway therefore there is no more the old system of Sin Sacrifice) and we trample the son of God, we treat him as an unholy thing and finally insulted the Spirit of God's Grace.

See the word "the blood of the covenant that sanctified them"? Hebrew 10:29 (NIV)

It's the Blood (Christ) that Sanctifies not the shadow (Law).

The very beginning of chapter 10 itself already painstakingly try to explain on the comparison of the Old Covenant and why Christ (Grace) came.

We need to persevere that we are always justified by faith in Christ, everyday and every second. Faith Faith Faith, Faith in the Son of God and NEVER once in ourselves all the way. (Hebrews 10:36)


PS: The thing that many Christians forget, we need to keep on coming to God everyday for dependency and the Faith to believe in Him for the overcoming life. Christ is the only root source for this victorious divine life. If you say that we need to be strong first and live right, thereby making ourselves worthy then only we qualify to come before God. And That is how and what Hebrew 10:26 means, then I always ask this question which will stumble their erroneous doctrine, then why did Christ Jesus need to come?

PS no2: Does it mean by the explanation above, we can sin as we like or we don't have to live right? the answer is, May it never be!. Same accusation leveled against Paul in Romans 6:1.

Cheers Sis.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 28 2015, 07:50 PM

I take that you're silent on this because you're not too sure of the explanation given?

I think the average christian or anyone reading this on surface value will think it's like this:

Those who keep on sinning against God willfully/Deliberately and do not want to repent, they are condemned to eternal judgement and punishment.
But those who repent, God is merciful and will forgive on the condition He truly repented or is remorseful of his sin. Keyword is True Repentance.

However, upon reading Hebrew 6 to 10 in complete detail, you won't find such doctrine as stated above in bold but talks more about the contrast of the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. You know why?
Because it's the interpretation of a simple layman, the average Man's thought.

Not to say that the above statement has no merit but it's not what the chapters in Hebrew talks about.

Let me try to make it simpler in understanding.

Do you agree these 2 are quite the same in meaning?


1) Hebrew 6:4-6
It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

2) Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

From "simplistic" pov, seems like it's saying...

1) Those who have fallen away (Sin) ...impossible to be brought back to repentance
2) Those who keep on sinning willfully...there is no salvation?


Fallen away here in the NLT ver says "turn away from God" which is also Sin Against God.

If you agree that fallen away here equates to Sinning against God then why is the Title under the NIV in Hebrews 5:11-14 is Warning Against Falling Away but talks about milk and solid food?

Ok I'll give u the clue, what is the Bible trying to say with regards to Elementary teachings (milk - Infancy) vs Maturity (Solid Food)?

What do you think?

Hint: it has everything to do with your

Hebrew 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,



This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jun 28 2015, 08:17 PM

I've not replied because I had trouble reading due to not enough sleep actually OTL

Kennot brain with a tired mind.

But I would need more explanation nonetheless. As I have trouble trying to comprehend half asleep

if you guys woke up early today, tuned in to live streaming backstage of hillsong conference later in the morning!

Better you catch up with your sleep. That's very important, not enough sleep would equate to not able to do anything much, then come back and read.




Hi Luffy, Install Spotify and you can search there's so many other worship platform other than hillsong.

Bethel church for example.

i do follow few other worship platform but still Hillsong is still my favorite, from united which is more like a rock style to more like contemporary style of worship lately..........