and more missile frigates plz

well depend how you look，
mission can be planning，so many role can be use in Mistral,
well we need LHD/LDP to enhance our logistic between sabah/sarawak and UN mission，
Helicopter can add step by step no issue. starting just need 2 unit helicopter will be fine. went mission needed, other arm like TUDM/Army/MMEA helicopter can park for Join mission.
In piece time no issue to wait Commercial ship, but went contingency happen case like large rescue in sea, flood, or military need send armoured vehicles/ MBT /logistic, which no time wait Commercial Liner, and many to listed ....
also last year we already order 6 more Gowind Patrol Vessel with cost usd 3 billion .... average each at 500 million.
we no need so much LDP/LDP, compare to warship. one unit cost not much different with warship we buy。we just need 1-2 unit.
currently TLDM 2 unit Auxiliary ship already more than 30 year and run max, than due to old serviceability also drop.
TLDM already summit proposal for 6 ASW helicopter。
we also no have Destroyer.
more importantly the LHD not pay 1 short, it will divided to multiple year re-payment, if really want sell to as.
we also keep built new warship from kedah class to Gowind class, but not forgot logistic requirement too. navy required multiple type of ship to run operation.

This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 4 2015, 05:28 PM

Speaking of missile corvettes , what happen to the 6 missile corvettes from korea? Gone case liao????

Fly fly away..

Wonder will LHD make possible of launch atk and rescue at sulu sea?

pending,not get approval in RMK-11.
but not sure will get special funding or not.
btw, i rather use funding to replace our current 40 year 260 tons 10 unit fac/gun boat to new 500 tons patrol boat.

our side more close to South China Sea specially spratly islands.
2nd get malaysia under US team/control

A ship tat large would require escorts

Yah you are right , anyway Rafizi is doing his job as opposition ringing bell on suspicious matters , Hisham also done his job by clarifying France visit is for Rafale .

Side track rumors : due to these deals (be it Rafale or Mistral ) , France authority all the sudden confirms the wing debris at Reunion Island is from MH370 , what a coincident right after raise interest in Rafale.

so i was wondering is ltz a dato yet

I don't know what kind of weed you're smoking. We don't have any destroyers at all for one thing. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about if you think we're even seriously considering getting a Mistral. Rafizi is running out of things to talk about so he just jumps on whatever is the current hot rumor. They're going after populist sentiments, that's all.

You're starting to wander into conspiracy theorist territory.

hahaha..last time when we want to buy EC725 Caracal banyak-banyak people said better buy benda lain la..now sudah terbalik already...hahah

Please dont link someone to any opposition member if they oppose an idea. My stand was base on necessity and current financial situation .

Bare in mind there's a difference of TUDM & TLDM , Few things need to point out :
- Heli to use on LHD have to take on strong wind and have higher shock & vibration requirement while landing on choppy waters or even stormy waters , so TUDM's craft may no be applicable for TLDM (Navy)
- Mil don't buy a vessel ( carrier / LHD) then fill up on a later stage due to budget constrain , there must be budget for Helis in place for Mistral
- Mistral is TLDM's business so TUDM discuss seperately.

The number of Patrol Vessel should be in the >20s figure ,to have a close guard on Malaysia coastal lines.

Naming any vessel doesn't prove anything , and referring to destroyer you mean frigates ? (my mistake on this)

While raising question on happenings on Sea of Sulu and Spratly Island , in point of modern war fare getting a Mistral especially for Spratly Island is intimidating , as for the pirates getting Mistral means to dock and clean their home base else why you need Vessel which can carry 40-60 APC/MBT/IFV for ?

Buying a Mistral now also give reason for SG to purchase an aircraft carrier , they have the money and they have surplus of aircraft (Don't know where to place !! ) , further more with their deal on F-35 (undelivered) means buying an aircraft carrier will just raise the the bar higher.

My point is Mistral isn't the priority there are other requirement which need to full fill, before getting such a size of LHD/MPSS/MRSS class of vessel , Fill up the other necessity , TLDM is crying for more advance and complete equipped vessels , more helis to serve their coastal requirement , not a Mistral to show of strength and power to our neighbors especially in time where deficit is hitting hard.

This post has been edited by titarium: Sep 4 2015, 06:13 PM

Sorry my mistake we don't have destroyer . so maintenance for destroyer is "0"

Well just stating rumors not that I believe in it , if I believe I would not have written side track nor rumor.

What Rafizi going to talk or stir is a political story , let's just stop right there which is : Rafizi raise alarm on Mistral , True or not Hisham had answer it.

BTW I am placing my opinion on Mistral , so there was some other whom agree with the idea : Yet we arn't taking this seriously just an open discussion.

This post has been edited by titarium: Sep 4 2015, 06:30 PM

Any news of the 2 Samudera Class?

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 4 2015, 06:45 PM

China Building Two Aircraft Carriers, According to Taiwanese Intelligence



China Building Two Aircraft Carriers, According to Taiwanese Intelligence

The report on the capabilities of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), a copy of which was obtained by Reuters, says the two new carriers will be the same size as China's only carrier, the Liaoning. China purchased the 60,000-ton Soviet-era vessel from Ukraine in 1998.

China has since refitted the Liaoning, which has participated in military drills, including in the disputed South China Sea, but it is not fully operational. Some military experts believe having an operational Liaoning is the first step to deploying Chinese-built carriers by 2020.

The report did not give an estimated date for when the new carriers would be completed. But as carriers are commissioned for service into China's navy, a command unit would be set up with "the goal to unify power and accelerate combat capabilities," the report added.

Taiwanese intelligence agencies closely monitor Chinese military developments because Beijing has never renounced the use of force to reclaim what it deems a renegade province, Reuters reported.

According to the report, of China's 1.24 million-strong ground forces, 400,000 could be used in combat against the island.

The Taiwanese Defense Ministry's report adds that Beijing is at least preparing for some kind of conflict with Taipei. The PLA and Chinese special forces have held mock battles, featuring full-scale models of a Taiwanese airport, actual roads, government buildings, and even the president's office, the report said.

Ties between the countries have improved under Taiwan's President Ma Ying-jeou. Still, China has threatened to use force to take back Taiwan if the island ever declares its independence.

Taiwan has been self-ruled since 1949 when Chiang Kai-shek fled to Taiwan with his Nationalist forces after losing a civil war with Mao Zedong's Communists.

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150904/1026571094.html

If the french were to offer malaysia russia mistral little brother MISTRAL 140, then we might be seriously consider buying it.

launching attack by deploying 2 LCAC full of marine forces and equipment
then yes

depend on the SOP,
if it just as a SOF near spratly then or nearby support bases then not really as the ship have their own defense even though limited



Haha rilek brader, me pulling your leg oni, trust me if you are KKS you are going to have more horrendous remark from me.
OK here is what you missed out. All ATM helis from the A109 PUTD, TUDM Nuri and Cougar are sea capable as one of the requirement of the ATM is the heli must able to conduct sea mission that include landing and docking on ships for very long time. So your first argument is already invalid.
On regarding filling up the LHD, yes you are correct that they won’t buy first and fill it up next. Usually this kind of thing is planned out during the procurement especially when it involving the type of the engagement and the role of the LHD in the forces that include the type or size of the LCAC or other amphibious vehicle that the ship shall compliment.

But helicopter? That is a whole other chapter, what matter is what inside the ship and not what on top of the ship. As the ship is an amphibious craft first and a heli docks second. The ship with just utility and transport helicopter still can continue to do its job. You don’t need gunship then needed to buy one.
“Mistral is TLDM's business so TUDM discuss seperately.” This is where you wrong big time. It is the ATM business and not TLDM alone. Yes TLDM will be the one operating it, but until the the NAVY going to have their marine corps and their own utility and transport air wing they will still have to rely on Tentera Darat for infantry and marine forces and the Air Force respectively. We are not like the US where each branch can work independently. Our forces is small so since the establishment all branches always work together regardless branch.
I agree that we need more patrol vessel and the addition and the replacement for the FAC, but if you know more regarding our navy. Since the decommission of the Indrapura, our forces are hit badly in term of logistical support. Only two MPSS that are working nonstop to cover the large waters of Malaysia.

Mistral is not a priority, but if the French would offer hard to refuse deals for the ship they why not. BTW do you know that the Frenh deliberately doing this to f**k with the Egypt and Saudi. By doing this they can pump the price more for that 2 suckers as Malaysia do have that special connection with the French.

Cheers

Read more: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2015vic...nt_21786666.htm

add to atreyuangel
Mistral as LHD so platfrom capability to join operation from different unit like TUDM, TDM, MMEA even other country defense helicopter during join operation
this reason we wan to get LHD/LPD or MRSS. it improve alot country ATM capability.

our TUDM EC725 already land in Mistral during Join France-Malaysia exercise in 2015





our TUDM EC725 also come with folder blade usually only see in Navy helicopter





This post has been edited by waja2000: Sep 4 2015, 11:30 PM