What about AV 8 is it still going on ?

last Defence show there's rumour that still unable to pass prototype phase

Mistral is consider an attacking vessel .... must have a strong reason behind why should Malaysia have 1 ?

Buy for the sake of buying ? or does the military or defense department know what to buy ?

-=Zip=- before some one says : "You are not from the army , what you know about protecting the country ? "

This post has been edited by titarium: Sep 4 2015, 02:13 PM

France sell is as LHD ; or FRANCE market it as LHD

Mistral is also known as an Assault Ship , quoting from Wiki Capacity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_amphibious_assault_ship) :
- 59 vehicles (including 13 AMX Leclerc tanks) or a 40-strong Leclerc tank battalion
- 16 heavy or 35 light helicopters
- Support Craft : 4 CTM / 2 LCAC

In current context of Malaysia , it would only be use as a recovery mission or transportation from EAST to West which requires such ships .
- Recovery mission usually head by UN or Big Country they have funds to do so
- Transport can just use Commercial Liner

The main function of this Ship of such class :
1) First establish as a HQ/Home Base off shore
2) send in the Heli for recon
3) deploy support craft
4) follow by Landing Craft with Tanks/APC/IFV
5) Air Support from Helicopters
5) take over the shore & beach

MY isn't actively engaging this activity , unless wanted to counter terrorist & pirates at their home base !

But back to square 1 , when country is poor don't spend too much on defense , buy what is necessary , the same amount of money rather spend on Patrol Vessel + New Helicopters for Coastal defense especially for Sabah & Straits of MLK to counter piracy (now this is a real threat) .

If Malaysia is Rich buying an Aircraft Carrier is not even an issue , currently maintaining the destroyer also faces financial constrain , buying replacement craft for Mig 29 had been postponing for such a long period clearly indicates that the Defense Ministry is tight on budget, moreover any contract that isn't sign 2 years back (or more) had just increase at least 20% in price .

Btw MY Navy doubt owning >20 Heli , buying Mistral also means need to buy at least another 10 Helis -> else what's the purpose of buying this LHD ?

As of now, I would support more Patrol Vessel + Heli than getting Mistral as a LHD ( but actually is still an assault vessel) .

Yah you are right , anyway Rafizi is doing his job as opposition ringing bell on suspicious matters , Hisham also done his job by clarifying France visit is for Rafale .

Side track rumors : due to these deals (be it Rafale or Mistral ) , France authority all the sudden confirms the wing debris at Reunion Island is from MH370 , what a coincident right after raise interest in Rafale.

Please dont link someone to any opposition member if they oppose an idea. My stand was base on necessity and current financial situation .

Bare in mind there's a difference of TUDM & TLDM , Few things need to point out :
- Heli to use on LHD have to take on strong wind and have higher shock & vibration requirement while landing on choppy waters or even stormy waters , so TUDM's craft may no be applicable for TLDM (Navy)
- Mil don't buy a vessel ( carrier / LHD) then fill up on a later stage due to budget constrain , there must be budget for Helis in place for Mistral
- Mistral is TLDM's business so TUDM discuss seperately.

The number of Patrol Vessel should be in the >20s figure ,to have a close guard on Malaysia coastal lines.

Naming any vessel doesn't prove anything , and referring to destroyer you mean frigates ? (my mistake on this)

While raising question on happenings on Sea of Sulu and Spratly Island , in point of modern war fare getting a Mistral especially for Spratly Island is intimidating , as for the pirates getting Mistral means to dock and clean their home base else why you need Vessel which can carry 40-60 APC/MBT/IFV for ?

Buying a Mistral now also give reason for SG to purchase an aircraft carrier , they have the money and they have surplus of aircraft (Don't know where to place !! ) , further more with their deal on F-35 (undelivered) means buying an aircraft carrier will just raise the the bar higher.

My point is Mistral isn't the priority there are other requirement which need to full fill, before getting such a size of LHD/MPSS/MRSS class of vessel , Fill up the other necessity , TLDM is crying for more advance and complete equipped vessels , more helis to serve their coastal requirement , not a Mistral to show of strength and power to our neighbors especially in time where deficit is hitting hard.

This post has been edited by titarium: Sep 4 2015, 06:13 PM

Sorry my mistake we don't have destroyer . so maintenance for destroyer is "0"

Well just stating rumors not that I believe in it , if I believe I would not have written side track nor rumor.

What Rafizi going to talk or stir is a political story , let's just stop right there which is : Rafizi raise alarm on Mistral , True or not Hisham had answer it.

BTW I am placing my opinion on Mistral , so there was some other whom agree with the idea : Yet we arn't taking this seriously just an open discussion.

This post has been edited by titarium: Sep 4 2015, 06:30 PM