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IReallyNeed Answers
post Jul 1 2015, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jul 1 2015, 08:58 AM)
KC-130B....bought in 1964

Even C-130H that replaced C-130B has started to retire....in turn already replaced by C-130J...true granddaddy of C-130

May the souls of the deceased rest in peace......
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What about malaysian Herc?

what model? baru lagi or about to retire too?
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post Jul 1 2015, 11:19 AM

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base on my recent study, surprising cost marine diesel one of major cost for RMN getting LPD, a 10,000 tons ship usually have 1000 tons marine diesel oil. it cost about usd 620,000 (usd 600 per-ton) , about RM2 million to refuel. if 10 month operation refuel once a month, it will cost 20 million marine diesel. not include other like hydraulic oil and other. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jul 1 2015, 11:19 AM)
base on my recent study, surprising cost marine diesel one of major cost for RMN getting LPD, a 10,000 tons ship usually have 1000 tons marine diesel oil. it cost about usd 620,000 (usd 600 per-ton) , about RM2 million to refuel. if 10 month operation refuel once a month, it will cost 20 million marine diesel. not include other like hydraulic oil and other.  hmm.gif
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I though all ship used same diesel

Dam learn something today
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post Jul 1 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Jul 1 2015, 11:22 AM)
I though all ship used same diesel

Dam learn something today
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all new warship/cormercial ship use same...
old ship if not wrong is use heavy diesel oil.
new ship now use newer marine diesel oil

but different for small marine engine/firshmen boat.
malaysia nelayan boat used class-E diesel

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post Jul 1 2015, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 30 2015, 03:52 PM)
RIP..
good thing possible will get new one ......
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 30 2015, 08:49 PM)
i hope military plane not use too old, 40 year max, de TNI C130 crash already 51 year use....
same to RMAF C130 already 45 year.
altough getting 4 unit A400M, still no enough to replace all C130. should get 2-4 more. than combine with more few CN235. than retire all C130H
i think TNI or Indo Gov will get new Airlift ASAP after this accident to get back the image.
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^^^^^ It has started with renew calls from the Indonesian Parliament (DPR) for defense budget increase and modernization of TNI by buying new military hardware especially military transport aircraft.

Article in Indonesian.

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Hercules Jatuh, DPR: Alutsista Harus Diperbarui!

Created on Tuesday, 30 June 2015 15:15

Jakarta, GATRAnews- Pesawat Hercules tipe C-130 jatuh dan menimpa rumah warga di jalan Jamin Ginting, Medan, Selasa (30/6) siang. Menanggapi hal tersebut Ketua Komisi I DPR Mahfudz Siddiq mengaku akan memastikan apakah Hercules tersebut merupakan pesawat hibah atau pesawat Hercules lama yang habis diretrofit di Singapura.

Menurut Mahfudz, apabila nantinya pesawat tersebut merupakan pesawat hibah, hal ini akan menjadi tamparan kedua bagi TNI Angkatan Udara setelah jatuhnya pesawat F-16. "Peristiwa ini jadi urgensi untuk segera memperbaharui alutsista TNI. Terutama alat angkutnya," ujar Mahfudz di Gedung DPR, Jakarta, Selasa (30/6).

Lewat peristiwa ini, lanjut Mahfudz, sudah menjadi harga mati untuk memodernisasi alutsista TNI. Selain itu, Komisi I DPR akan mendesak memberhentikan menerima pesawat hibah dari negara lain. "Karena resikonya cukup besar," imbuhnya.

Selain itu, ia memastikan guna peristiwa ini tidak terulang di kemudian hari, Komisi I DPR dan pemerintah akan menambah anggaran untuk dialokasian pengadaan alutsista yang mumpuni. "Pemerintah dan DPR baru melakukan pembahasan awal. Saya kira ini momentum tepat untuk melakukan penambahan bahwa pengadaan alutsista harus benar-benar baru dan didukung dengan anggaran," ucapnya.


http://www.gatra.com/nusantara-1/nasional-...diperbarui.html

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post Jul 1 2015, 11:46 AM

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^^^^^ It has started with renew calls from the Indonesian Parliament (DPR) for defense budget increase and modernization of TNI by buying new military hardware especially military transport aircraft.

Article in Indonesian.
http://www.gatra.com/nusantara-1/nasional-...diperbarui.html
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agree on this, many country mindef not take seriously.

" sudah menjadi harga mati untuk memodernisasi alutsista TNI "

same to Nuri helicopter, how many crash only get EC725,
also our C130, Nuri, RMN gun boat, 40+ year plus still use, and have many incident.

just like IT people said, take rosak take baru. than pay for "harga mati" .

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jul 1 2015, 10:52 AM)
What about malaysian Herc?

what model? baru lagi or about to retire too?
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RMAF using C-130H getting in 1976-1980 15 unit... also get 5 unit C130H-30 at 1995.
about 40 year using already.
now getting 4 unit airbus A400M to replace it, but still no enough, need 4 more.
last time news said our C-130H will fly until 2022... C130H-30 at lease until 2030.

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post Jul 1 2015, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jul 1 2015, 12:43 PM)
RMAF using C-130H getting in 1976-1980 15 unit...  also get 5 unit C130H-30 at 1995.
about 40 year using already.
now getting 4 unit airbus A400M to replace it, but still no enough, need 4 more.
last time news said our C-130H will fly until 2022... C130H-30 at lease until 2030.
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but how long are this air frame rated for?

i mean if it's build to fly for 40-50years, then ok la,

see see air frame only can last 5,000 hours, then we are a flying catastrophes
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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jul 1 2015, 02:08 PM)
but how long are this air frame rated for?

i mean if it's build to fly for 40-50years, then ok la,

see see air frame only can last 5,000 hours, then we are a flying catastrophes
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fly more than 40 year old plane, also give Psychological pressure to pilot and passenger。 just like drive 40 year old car. and much high risk than old car.
also our weather hot and high humility, maritime area corrosion is high.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys.../c-130-mods.htm

Service Life
Although service life computations have not been used to determine grounding or airframe restrictions, the Air Force has used service life estimates as a planning tool to anticipate when major aircraft structural events can be expected. A key issue was the structural service life of the C-130 airframes, which was dependent on mission severity, fatigue, and corrosion factors.

A severity factor accounted for the difference between normal civilian flying and military flying (low level, short-field landings, etc.). Mission profile determined the severity factor, which was averaged over each aircraft's most recent two year history. This calculation translated airframe clock hours into equivalent airframe damage hours which would indicate the higher aging rate of the military airframes. On average, active C-130 aircraft were found to be flying approximately 600 hours per year, while ARC C-130E and C-130H aircraft were flying about 375 hours and 450 hours per year, respectively.

The critical fatigue component for the C-130 fleet is the center wing box, which is structurally more susceptible to the stresses of mission profile and payload. The center wing box has a limit of 60,000 relative baseline hours (flight hours multiplied by the mission severity factor). A corrosion limit of 40,000 flight hours was based on historical data and engineering judgment. This data took into account corrosion factors not considered in airframe fatigue analysis. Actual airframe service life depends on which limit, fatigue or corrosion, is reached first. For instance, the service-life of the HC-130N/P was based upon the aircraft's wing box and operations tempo. Based on the current operations tempo, the fleet will begin to lose airworthiness in 2013.

The average age of the active duty C-130 fleet as of 2000 is over 25 years old, while the average age of Guard and Reserve C-130s is 15 years old. The average age of the C-130E model is over 28 years and average flying time is approximately 19,800 hours, with the newest E-model being produced in 1972. Based on projected operations tempo and overall mission severity, C-130E aircraft were said to have an average remaining service life of 15 years. Material solutions such as selective repair, a service life extension program (SLEP), or procurement of new aircraft were some of several ways investigated to influence and resolve aging of the C-130 fleet.

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Military facilities in S China Sea easy targets for US forces: experts

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China's man-made islands and military constructions in the South China Sea would be nothing more than a "sitting duck" for US armed forces in the event of a naval conflict, say both American and Chinese experts.

In interviews with the US-based outlet Defense News, Ian Easton, a China defense specialist at the Project 2049 Institute in Washington; Wallace Gregson, a former assistant defense secretary for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs, and Zhu Feng, a South China Sea expert at China's Nanjing University, all agreed that China's rapidly expanding land reclamation efforts and militarization on disputed islands in the South China Sea "would not survive long in a war with the US."

As such, claims by the US that China's reclamation program is a military effort should be dismissed as nothing more than "consipracy theories," said Zhu, who added that Washington is simply being paraoid and "overplaying" the activities and should not see it as a "creeping provocation or challenge to their authority."

"If the islands are militarized they are sitting ducks to the US military, so island reclamation means nothing, changes nothing," Zhu said, warning that plans to send US warships to the region would only "raise tensions unnecessarily."

Easton, however, acknowledges that the People's Liberation Army views the militarization of the islands as "creating an outer defensive perimeter to extend its precision strike battle networks," adding that the facilities will "enable precision strikes from aircraft operating on the islands, from submarines resupplying there and from on-island cruise missile sites."

Likewise, Gregson also concedes that the military facilities will provide the PLA with "radar coverage, signal intelligence and aerial coverage of the South China Sea."

Officially, China still insists that its activities in the South China Sea are largely for civilian purposes such as humanitarian assistance, disaster relief, fishery safety, ocean preservation and scientific research, according to Wang Dong, an expert on China-US relations at Peking University. "I think China is being honest by acknowledging that there will be defensive military value to the facilities but they are mainly for civilian purposes," he said.

The US and the Philippines clearly think otherwise and have accused China of aggressively bolstering its sovereignty claims. US officials have vowed to increase military presence in the region to guarantee freedom of navigation, while Japan is also reportedly on board to begin surveillance in the area.

Beijing announced earlier this month that it will soon be halting its land reclamation activities in the Spratly islands, which it claims along with the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia and Taiwan. Brunei also claims an exclusive economic zone that overlaps with part of the region.

The reason for stopping the land reclamation, however, is because the project will soon be complete, and the Chinese foreign affairs ministry insists that further construction will proceed as planned to "fulfill various functions." The US claims that China has already added more than 2,000 acres of man-made land to existing islands and reefs in the Spratlys.

Andrew Erickson, a China defense specialist at the US Naval War College in Rhode Island, told Defense News that there are now expectations China will establish an air defense identification zone, as it did in the East China Sea in November 2013, as part of an anti-access/area denial strategy in the South China Sea.

http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclas...=20150701000080
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Pentagon Plots New Exploits for US Navy’s Joint High Speed Vessel

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With the capacity to carry as much as 600 tons, these vessels are large. The USNS Spearhead, the first JHSV put into operation in 2011, can travel at 50 MPH while carrying nearly 500 personnel. That speed and size makes the ship ideal for transporting military hardware and troops.

The ship is also designed to be highly modular, allowing it to be refitted with different equipment, based on individual missions, and features a landing pad for rotary wing aircraft.

These attributes are leading US Navy and Marine Corps officials to reconsider the limited function of utilizing the JHSVs as mere transport vessels.

"It is truly a joint vessel to be delivered to combatant commanders as a fast, sizeable transport," Navy spokesman Johnny Michael told Military.com. "The JHSV can help provide security cooperation support and counterterrorism assistance."

And with that potential to perform multiple applications, JHSVs are about to see a lot more action.

"There are plans to put them in every COCOM (area of responsibility). They are going to be everywhere," Michael added.

The Navy already has five of the vessels in operation. The Spearhead’s successful involvement in military exercises off the coast of Africa earlier this year is what forced officials to reconsider the ships’ limited role. Focusing on cooperation between regional navies, Obangame Express 2015 saw the Spearhead function as tactical support.


http://sputniknews.com/us/20150701/1024067285.html


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25 June 2015

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Saab has disclosed last week that they are currently in talks with the Philippines for its Multi Role Fighter requirements slated for delivery in 2018.

Ulf Nilsson, Head of the Aeronautics division, said at the Paris Air Show that Saab is offering its JAS-39 Gripen C/D combat aircraft to the Philippines which it marketed as future proof jet fighter under its continuous upgrade programme to keep it at the forefront of military capabilities through to at least 2035.

The C/D aircraft which has an estimated price tag of US$61 million can be converted to the more advanced E/F models, according to a senior company representative.

"C/D frames is still, and will continue to be, a very capable aircraft which will be in continuous development. It really doesn't matter if the Philippines operates the C/D or with the new generation E/F, there will always be a way for us to grow its capability through incremental upgrades," he said.

London-based IHS Jane’s has compiled an independent report in March 2012 on a cost per flight hour of selected aircraft, which includes Lockheed Martin F-16, Boeing F-18 E / F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, Saab Gripen, Dassault Rafale and EuroFighter Typhoon, and the report concluded that the Saab Gripen was the least expensive of the aircraft under study in terms of cost per flight hour.

The aircraft is also the only jet fighter capable of landing in Philippine controlled Rancudo airstrip in the disputed Spratly Islands.

Saab Gripen reported that a possible government-to-government negotiations between Sweden and the Philippines is under way after it has submitted proposals to the Philippine government which include training and lease options of Gripen fighters, hinting the Philippines interest on a similar deal offered to Hungary and the Czech Republic and to recent offers made to Malaysia. The terms of the offer however remains confidential up to this date.

A senior Defence official of the Philippines has confirmed yesterday that they are currently in talks with Sweden for the country's first Multi Role Fighters. Defence Secretary Voltaire Gazmin however refused to comment on the deal.

But sources inside Malacanang Palace disclosed that President Benigno Aquino has plans to visit Sweden before his term ends in 2016 and the date of his visit is set tentatively suggesting that finer details are currently being ironed out prior to formal announcement like the ones they entered with South Korea and Japan. President Aquino went to Korea and Japan to announced major defence related acquisitions.

Saab has sold 75 Gripen C and 25 Gripen D aircraft mostly to Sweden, many of which were re-manufactured from the 105 Gripen A and 13 Gripen B aircraft already in service. Another 17 C and 9 D aircraft were sold to South Africa, another 8 C and 4 D to Thailand, and has leased 12 C and 2 D to Hungary, 12 C and 2 D to the Czech Republic.


http://airsoc.com/articles/view/id/558b866...pen-for-the-paf

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WEDNESDAY, 01 JULY, 2015 | 14:00 WIB

Jokowi Calls for Weaponry System Modernization

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - President Joko “Jokowi” Widodo asked Defense Minister Ryamizard Ryacudu and Indonesian Military Commander to reform Indonesian Military’s primary weaponry defense system (Alutsista) and its procurement method.

“This is a momentum that we shall no longer buy weapons and shift to modernize our weaponry system,” Jokowi said after leading Bhayangkara’s 69th anniversary ceremony at Depok Mobile Brigade Headquarter on Wednesday, July 01, 2015.

According to Jokowi, the domestic defense industry must be involved in productions, operational, maintenance and disposal of outdated weapon and defense system. Jokowi added that the weaponry and defense system procurement must head toward to the industry’s independence, so that Indonesia could fully control its weaponry and defense system.

“I also wish to reinforce the zero accident system in using alutsista,” he added.

Jokowi said that fighter jets, transport planes, submarines, helicopters and personnel who operate them must always be in a high level of readiness.

Earlier, military-owned Hercules C-130 crashed at Jalan Jamin Ginting, Medan, North Sumatera on Tuesday, June 30, 2015. The plane was piloted by Capt. Sandy Permana, who graduated from the Air Force Academy in 2005. The ill-fated Hercules took off from Suwondo Airport, Medan, heading for Tanjung Pinang, Riau Islands.

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http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2015/07/01/05...m-Modernization

 
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jul 1 2015, 11:46 AM)
agree on this, many country mindef not take seriously.

" sudah menjadi harga mati untuk memodernisasi alutsista TNI "

same to Nuri helicopter, how many crash only get EC725,
also our C130, Nuri, RMN gun boat, 40+ year plus still use, and have many incident.

just like IT people said, take rosak take baru. than pay for "harga mati" .
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our MiG airframe also reaching expiry date

but that one got ejector seat
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Military facilities in S China Sea easy targets for US forces: experts
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http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclas...=20150701000080
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read between the lines... sitting ducks for US, yes... bout how bout peenoise with no fighter? hmm.gif

QUOTE(AxeFire @ Jul 1 2015, 10:16 PM)
our MiG airframe also reaching expiry date

but that one got ejector seat
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inb4 ejector not working cause expired
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Satnews Publishers: Daily Satellite News

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SatNews] The military has tested a new commercial communications satellite system that potentially offers 300 times the bandwidth of current satellites. O3b Networks has demonstrated the technology both at sea, aboard the Navy’s Littoral Combat Ship Fort Worth in the Pacific, and and on land, for unspecified “members of the armed forces” at MacDill Air Force Base, which just happens to be the headquarters of the publicity-shy Special Operations Command.

How does this work? It’s all about the altitude. The higher the satellite, the larger the area it covers and the slower it orbits. At 22,000 miles up, geostationary (GEO) satellites effectively stand still over a single point on the earth’s surface and can cover a whole continent, making them the standard for communications. But altitude comes at a cost. There’s a literal financial cost, because a rocket powerful enough to get you there is expensive. There’s also a cost in time, because even at the speed of light it takes your message half a second to get to GEO and back.

That’s a long enough lag that even a human brain can notice it. For high-bandwidth applications like streaming video — say, from military drones — the delay makes for major slowdowns. For high-speed software like cloud computing, it’s a dealbreaker.

So O3b puts its satellites only 5,000 milesup. That’s considered MEO, Medium Earth Orbit. (Protip: Never say “Middle Earth Orbit” unless you’re talking about Tolkien). 2,000 miles and below are Low Earth Orbit (LEO), favored by commercial imagery satellites and spysats, but at those altitudes satellites whip around the planet and can cover very little area at a time, making them impractical for most communications. MEO is a happy medium.


http://www.satnews.com/story.php?number=1588475475
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Kuwait orders NBC reconnaissance vehicles

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DUSSELDORF, Germany, July 1 (UPI) -- Rheinmetall MAN Military Vehicles is to supply a dozen armored NBC reconnaissance trucks to Kuwait together with comprehensive support.

The vehicles are the company's 2 NBC-RS "Spürfuchs," which will be delivered beginning in 2017. The 6x6 vehicles feature an integrated suite of devices for identifying nuclear, biological and chemical warfare agents and other hazardous materials in a protective capsule.

"This important order is a major vote of confidence by an Arab country in Rheinmetall, Europe's leading supplier of army technology," said Pietro Borgo, managing director of RMMV and a member of the Executive Board of parent company Rheinmetall Defense. "We greatly appreciate this. By placing this order, Kuwait will soon possess NBC reconnaissance capabilities that are second to none."

The vehicles for Kuwait are the first by the company to feature an additional biological detection capability.

Rheinmetall did not disclose the price of the vehicles.

The company said its support for the vehicles procured by Kuwait is for five years and is comprised of training, service and spare parts.

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-.../2221435779603/
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CHINA’S MILITARY STRATEGY WHITE PAPER 2015: FAR SEAS OPERATIONS AND THE INDIAN OCEAN REGION

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A Blue Water Force

The most revealing part of the strategy indicating China’s aim to build a globe spanning blue water navy says:

“..the PLA Navy (PLAN) will gradually shift its focus from “offshore waters defense” to the combination of “offshore waters defense” with “open seas protection,” and build a combined, multi-functional and efficient marine combat force structure.”

The section on force development goes on to say:

“The seas and oceans bear on the enduring peace, lasting stability and sustainable development of China. The traditional mentality that land outweighs sea must be abandoned, and great importance has to be attached to managing the seas and oceans and protecting maritime rights and interests. It is necessary for China to develop a modern maritime military force structure commensurate with its national security and development interests, safeguard its national sovereignty and maritime rights and interests, protect the security of strategic SLOCs and overseas interests, and participate in international maritime cooperation, so as to provide strategic support for building itself into a maritime power.”


http://cimsec.org/chinas-military-strategy...an-region/16906
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Boeing continues to discuss defence trade opportunities with Indonesia

Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry
30 June 2015

Boeing and the Indonesian Ministry of Defence (MoD) discussed defence trade again in late June, maintaining their recently established high level of dialogue.

The MoD said on 30 June that meetings in Jakarta were focused on easing administrative processes related to the MoD's stated intention to acquire four Boeing CH-47 Chinook heavy-lift helicopters. The meetings were the latest in a series of recent discussions between Boeing and Indonesia that are geared towards boosting trade.

This has resulted in the MoD's order in early 2015 of eight Boeing AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, which are expected to be delivered to the Indonesian armed forces from 2018.


http://www.janes.com/article/52667/boeing-...-with-indonesia
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Super Hornet makes emergency landing at Chicago International Airport

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A military jet made an emergency landing at Midway Airport Wednesday afternoon, according to officials.

The U.S. Navy F-18 was headed to Virginia from an airshow in Wisconsin when the plane’s pilot requested an emergency landing in Chicago after experiencing an engine malfunction, military officials said.

A U.S. Navy Super Hornet landed on runway 4R of Chicago Midway International Airport on Jul .1 at around 12:35 p.m. after experiencing engine problem.

The jet from VFA-106 is also part of the airshow TAC DEMO Team and was returning to NAS Oceana from an airshow in Wisconsin.


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