Well, apart from NS that is. Anyways, NS is a good training ground for the guys, most of guys around 18-24 are well-built and fit.

After a couple of years of being a PR, you can opt to apply to be a citizen. Just a matter of time and whether you want it or not.

Foreigner >> PR >> Citizen = Protecting the citizen?

Just to answer some questions here:

There is no such thing as 'automatic PR conversion'. PR is and will always be a choice in any country. Some people will choose not to have to pay CPF as it is known to be difficult to withdraw even after old age.



As other forummers have mentioned, the governments priority is their own citizens. The neighbor's kid example is a good one. If you want to pay your kid RM10 to mow your lawn, better to give pocket money to your own kid than to pay your neighbor's kid. Only if your kid don't want to, or is not able to mow your lawn, then you import from your neighbor.



It costs money to hire foreigners, and your employer has to sponsor every foreigner that they hire. For the common jobs which can be filled by Singaporeans, why should they spend more to hire foreigners? However, for specialized jobs or jobs that are difficult to fill, then they have no choice but to look for foreign expertise. Else, cheaper foreigners like indons and filipinos. Btw, the Singaporean government and private sector does not owe you a living.



Malaysia does not protect all its citizens

There is some truth in what you said, but not all untrue as I have colleagues's children from SMU earning that kind of pay anmd securing employment way before graduation... so not totally untrue. Any way, correction to your statement of Directotr of SMU holds position in SPH.. its the other way round most time in SG... most people in high places will be asked to hold mulitple appointment in any related kind of insititution and establishment if you not already known. We in SG are immune to such news, nothing is new and many times published in the press... Its something so common and even foreign press has asked why... and the strain on manpower distribution. This so called multiple appointment often do not carry any monetary reward like pay espceially in related Gov sector. SMU being considered as the 3rd U should falls under such category.. However, there might be exception I don't know... this kind of thing has never been reveal to public except under circumstances... privacy... kind of stuff to me, who wants to have their prviate stuff being made known?

true, education doesn't garranty anything, but in SG case, having a higher education offers better pay job.. .that's a fact of life here and even if I don't like it.... so what... I remember saying this to my vendors in US and Germany and they too agree.... unfortunately, they told me its going to happen not just in SG, even in their own country too, that was some 13-14 yrs ago.... just that the pace is that fast in SG for such thing to happen. However, there are still jobs that requires skills and wits, not just education. Even the Gov knows this.. so ? just to quote you an example, the recent change in Taxi regulation that caused lots of corncen for commuters without consulting the ground, people taking taxi was a good example. Taxi operators were told of the changes, but not sure whether they raised any concern. Even if they did, so? See what happen 1 month after implementation? Lots of critiscism not only from locals, even foreigners are taken by the rules... so much so that they tweaked the rule by introducing another rule... The Land Transport Authroity (LTA) said their had planned this long ago, but fall short of implementing till recently... but then to us men in the street... just a case of too many scholarly comfortible people sitting in their office and driving to work more than taking transport to see the problem ordinary citizen faced, bad publicity was every where. After the whole feista, they came out to explan their position and rational behind the change... so? DEAL BIG? the intention was good to me though, but the implementation was SUCKS... as many Singaporeans felt..

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Added on May 17, 2008, 10:59 amI was told recently by my colleague from a BIG establishment who is employing managers to be stationed at somewhere. Sorry, can't revel detail here, and the place they are working at is air-con, to me, its considered good enviorment and you see many people every daily, but fall short of requirement because it comes with a shift work...., even giving priority to locals for job employment is a problem as some jobs fall short of local expectation. Locals may shun certain jobs... If the compnay can't find suitible locals to fill, they will resort to getting foriegn talent to do the jobs. Of course, they will have to satisfied the Gov request 1st (if gov related company, but subjective to .... but not true all time because I come from one such establishment) till no suitible candidate is found, then they will get foriegners... So don't be dis-heartened with that kind of advertisment. Even I as a Singaporenas feel disgusted at some of the locals attitude..

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Added on May 17, 2008, 11:07 amFYI, for years, PR and foriegners were treated far better than citizens... because I too hate it not because of these people, but because of our Gov policies that gives all equal rights and even more but fall short on citizens with demands attached like NS thingy which to many of us, a sour point and stinking torn to the Gov... no added beneifts of being one.. that was one key reason why many Singaporeans left in those years of nation building. SG Gov of recently years started changing those rules bit by bit.. .not wanting to frighten of foriegn talent...

In anyway, now PR has to pay higher medical fees (unless compnay employees) as the subsidy is lower... Mind you, they will still be some subsidy but lower.... however, I can't name many of such things as I am not much into such depth even if I did read about it.. .won't bother to remember. only things that comes about now is all the rebates that the Gov is giving out to its citizens for GST, ecomony and inflation to cushion the cost of living in short term especially to the elderly folks... but not PR.. over the past several years.

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Added on May 17, 2008, 11:31 amAgree with you, to me, its answerable for its action to its citizens.. We should be the one strifing for ourself.... Old mindset has change and gone, new mindset... is still struggling to stay on top as SG has nothing at all... even in today's Straits Times, as reported, is SG losing it edge? when other countries over take us and wheninvestors not coming.. SG Gov suffers? Yes economy suffers = citizens take the hit directly due to no or less jobs. where to find food? SG Gov? not sure what they will do, but immediate effect on us. We certainly can't be like MY, plant something at your own backyard and can survive will do, where to find land?. So we have to fight for ourselves...and when everyone does that, Gov has less problem in tackling citizens rice bowl issue can in terms, focus more in searching for opportunities..
Sorry, I don't want to sounds more like a leggy for my Gov, but that's how I see... having seem what my parents gone through. Yes, SG Gov not perfect and I am not all in favour in some of the policies, although I must say, some that doesn't even benefits me at all but I will support because it benifited the poorer folks ...

This post has been edited by bbmars: May 17 2008, 11:31 AM

Looks like some respite from the ridiculous rental rates in the past couple of years. If anybody is re-negotiating their leases soon, do take note and stick to your guns.

Rental to fall 25%: Bank

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Added on May 17, 2008, 12:44 pmResponse to bbmars' post:


This post has been edited by seantang: May 17 2008, 12:44 PM

Don't woryy about it, you're just once of the 66.67%
Anyway Singaporeans are not politically active, it's a norm.

Guess your goal is to get into lucrative govt jobs huh?

There is no such thing as 'automatic PR conversion'. PR is and will always be a choice in any country. Some people will choose not to have to pay CPF as it is known to be difficult to withdraw even after old age.


Care to elaborate on this??

I think it means you won't get PR automatically even if you'd been working in Singapore for years. You have to apply for it. Some people prefer NOT to apply for PR as you have to pay CPF (like our EPF here in Malaysia).

seantang,
That article is nothing new... Already read those... that's what PM Lee said so during one of the session all over the press.... that's the sad state of being getting too economical strong and people get too comfortible with lots of thing and not wanting to do jobs they deem unfit....

CORRECTION, it was never my intention to get into any Gov job.. In fact, I was very against it and those who are especially fresh from School to go into Gov job without having to experience what outside working life is like because they will set their mind on easy going no pressure, kind of mentality. How to survive outside unless those job scope are of relevant outside.... I had worked almost 8 yrs outside before going to Gov's job due to family factor. I wanted to slow down my pace.. .that's the only reason why I ended up in the Gov sector.. However, my work load has not been reduced and I was slotting like 6.50am - 7pm everyday and on many occasions, including going back to work on weekends just to perform setup duty, then go home and back again in the evening to do set up again for the next run. HOwever, I must say, the pace then wasn't as pressurised as before, but still there were deadlines to meet because I was dealing with industry

Tell many of my friends no one believe me.. this has gone on for at least the 1st 2 yrs I started working.... Of course, my work then was very interesting and I had to meet and talk/share even being consulted by many industry people asking for help. Of course, this is nothing compared to my previous 2 jobs, one that I had to slot 16hrs Mon-Fri, then 12hrs on weekends non-stop, constantly under pressure and meeting deadlines. The other, I am much happier working though my hours was 8am-9pm with OT claim. Mon-Fri, weekends 10am - 6pm

I am no high flyer, neither with a degree then... so how high can my pay be? Gov pay you according to education level unless exceptional, which I don't fall into. In fact, I suffered a pay cut of $1.5K changing to current job..... Only thing I did right was, not going back to industry while I still could, being head hunted then, else I think I am in deep trouble due to the financial crisis becuse the company hunting me was in troubled.. Frankly, this is where I got my oversea scholarship for degree.. due to my effort and time I spend at work producing results. In fact, there were 2 guys in the queue for scholarship, but I boss and his boss pushed for it... Mind you, it was my idea to even study for degree had it not for my boss who was so persistent knowing that I wanted to leave, gotten news that I was head hunted outside, also because I wasn't at all interested in that schalorship and not at all for study.

Hope you get a chance to cast your vote next time round.

Vote? you referring to GE? very few opportunity as opposition aren't good at all. sometimes, no oppostion, can't vote, otehr time, PAP too strong in my constituency. However, I must say for several years, PAP Gov is watching how people react to situation as they do not want a MY GE 08 to happen in SG. Having said that, I personally don't think it will happen as most of my friends I know, don't vote for the sake of casting rebel votes. however, if you know PAP already won, I think that will give rise to the notion of voting better quality opposition into parliment to show PAP that the people may not be interested in politics, but they want PAP to be answerable for its action in the country by voting the opposite direction. This I am pretty sure of, afterall, if LKY suffered this fate before, why not now as he is no longer the PM... Many of us, only has respect for him, but ask that he leave it to current PM to do the job...

Actually i was asking on the "it is known to be difficult to withdraw even after old age". Why isit??

Another things is what is the benefit of being PR and/or citizen? I mean there must be reason ppl getting PR and citizen i guess..

Don't tell me what is the between PR and Citizen. i know that.

Will be working in Sentosa soon. Wahhhh damn scared can't manage to find a place to stay...

try getting a place near Telok Blangah, just opposite Sentosa. You into tourism/retail of service industry? I haerd from a chinese worker at Shangri-la that the hotel do provide cheap accomondation, but he choose to stay out..

No, not service industry.

Teluk Blangah? Are there buses straight to Harbour Front, in case the housing area is not near mrt stations?

Hey guys, just wondering, how much should we expect for jobs in SG? Jobs like project executive, IT support, QA/QC executive and so on?

I know it's hard to give an exact amount but based on a degree and two years experiences for an IT job - what should one be expecting? SGD2k? SGD3k?

So do u guys like the lifestyle in Singapore? Feel like going there to work when I graduate..

This post has been edited by Eisenmeteor: May 19 2008, 11:36 PM

Its just opposite Sentosa and around that area... MRT? No need take bus or across Snetosa as station jsut opposite Vivo city..

I'm neutral.

It's better than KL since Sg doesn't have much of a gangster, road bully, mat rempit, liok sui, robbery problem. Public transport is good and everybody queues up for anything. Everything is damn orderly and so systematic that it's spooky.

On the downside, there's no pirated DVDs, much less traffic light drag racing, no downloading MP3 / porn / movies (you know you're tracked, just dunno if anyone is going to use that info to prosecute you in the future). Cars are damn expensive to maintain. Tolls are everywhere. Nothing is free except wifi. People usually have no opinion about local issues except that the govt should do something about it.

But I really like the fact that the govt servants are damn efficient and the policemen address me as 'sir'. Back home, they call me 'mana IC?'

I'll work in Sg as long as I can. Salary's 2.3X and more high level jobs available compared to KL. But I'll retire back home.

guys, mind sharing how do u find jobs in singapore? do you link up through net or u have referrals?