I was just talking to prasys on InsanelyMac about Rapidshare.

Their download limit is very interesting.



I think this is awesome. So a little suggestion to TM Nut. Cap everyone at 4 mbit. Sell your bandwidth like its supposed to: by data transfers.

500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188

All data accounts can accumulate to up to 20,000 MB download. If you run out of data credit, software throttle us to 128 kbit. Fair play for everyone, right? And please, don't throttle anything! We pay for the bandwidth, if you think we're doing something illegal, press charges! Don't just act like a girl and discreetly throttle us.

Heavy downloaders like myself will like the upper two plans. People who online 24/7 but just to check e-mail and webcam on Skype / MSN will like the rm 44 / 66 plan.

If that really happend I think no one will want to BT or P2P anymore cause playing online game may also cost a lot~

Heh i still prefer the "don't throttle us, don't limit us" plan
To accept anything less means we're agreeing to a lesser service at the same price.
For broadband connection we shouldn't really be counting how much we download. Kinda makes me think we're back to the dial-up days.

I think this calculation is still too expensive. It is more reasonable if adding one more "0" at the back, so it will become as belowed:

5000 MB / day - RM 44
10000 MB / day - RM 66
20000 MB / day - RM 88
50000 MB / day - RM 128
100000 MB / day - RM 188

As for me i'd go with something like this

1500 MB / day - RM 44
5000 MB / day - RM 66
10000 MB / day - RM 88
25000 MB / day - RM 128
45000 MB / day - RM 188

I dont really mind about p2p throttling but giving bandwidth transfer quota is just too much! and they self claimed as the largest ISP in SEA my foot!
besides those packages wont make any difference because its just close to the theorical limit of maximum bandwidth transfer per day based on each package speed.

ISPs especially TM Net can't charge for their services using this pricing structure as it makes revenue earnings extremely unpredictable. Meanwhile, the international links cost are fixed regardless of more or less been used. TM Net will go bankrupt if they did this and this pricing structure discourages the use of internet as well which is 100% against what the government is trying to achieve.

Yeah I prefer no quota's as well, best logic

1. Even nowadays, TMnut revenue earnings is unpredictable. It will not making any differences if using pricing structure.
2. If international links cost are fixed (regardless of more or less been used), TM nut is definitely wrong to throttle BT. TMnut must increase international link.
3. TMnut is earning BIG BIG money every year because it monopoly Malaysia's broadband service. How TMnut will bankrupt ??
3.Actually, BT is functioning through internet. Increasement of BT usage is accouraging internet usage and it is just perfectly match with government's achieve.

Everyone wishes for that but TMnet won't favor you on this, so in order people are starting to come up with the quota per month deal and hopefully TMnet implement that so that they can unthrottle us on BT.

and after the implement of quota, TM must not throttle BT anymore.

f*k!!! 100Gigs a day? Porn servers feeding 10 HDTV monitors 24/7?? Seriously, that's too much lor. Try to start an ISP and check out the real prices of b/width. You'd be surprised. 100 mbit unshared cost US$5,000 with tier 1 ISPs per month.

Maybe I should make it more clear. These are per day allowances.. meaning you won't run out of bandwidth and speed at the end of your calendar months. The counter resets at midnight!

0.5 MB / day - RM 44
1 GB / day - RM 66
2 GB / day - RM 88
5 GB / day - RM 128
10 GB / day - RM 188

If you want something with no quota, and you want 90% of advertised speeds 24/7, low pings, try TM Direct. You won't be disappointed! 1 mbit symmetric (up/down) connection at rm 12,000 / year. Confirm happy wan!

sounds like you want to pay more to TM ??
and do you think one 2M speed line can download up to 100GB per day ??

You fail to realise that price is after adding a factor of most probably 200% for profits because they (TM Net) are charging a company which makes profit from the use of the internet. Whereas we do not make any profits unless we open vcd/dvd stalls or sell thru the internet.

This post has been edited by TC_Boy: Oct 25 2006, 04:05 PM

Correction: 0.5 GB / day - RM 44

I feel that some people are overpaying while 10% of Streamyx users are underpaying. Obviously, common sense would tell you that the 10% would feel the pinch harder!

Imagine going to the buffet, and the restaurant manager looks at you, and say, "Ok... you're thin, can't eat much. I'll charge you $20. Then a fat dude comes in, looks very hungry and he says, hmm.. you're likely gonna eat much so its $40 for you, sir"

Internet bandwidth and restaurant buffet might not be the same, but the concept is similar. Perhaps if we make the bandwidth commodity like petrol and offer "unlimited fillings per month". The intention is that, you can drop by at the petrol station any time you want. But due to abuse, people go to the petrol station and suck all the petrol. Some honest users will use less whereas the top 10% users suck out 80% of the petrol. Unfair for the other 90% honest paying users. Not to say the top 10% users are cheats... but by right, they should pay more.

Payment by transfers is the way to go to ensure good consistent speeds and minimal abuse.

Bro tgr, read the first post unedited. "Cap everyone at 4 mbit". Furthermore, I didn't suggest 100GB / day. I said "10000 MB / day - RM 188" and if you go to basic computing class, it translates to 10 GB. According to my calculations, assuming 90% efficiency & saturation of line, then it'll take under 6.5 hours to fully use your 4 mbit pipe. After that, you get capped at 128kbit, still able to check your mail and MSN, but your torrents and other downloads will throttle.

Get it?

Bro TC, I mention about US$5,000/mth truly dedicated internet connectivity for 100mbit? The rm 12k/year is the ballpark cost if you want one at your premises right now. If your theory about "we do not make any profit" is true, then my unlimited petrol theory would sound like this:

"Transnational and Konsortium should pay RM 10/litre for diesel. They're making a profit. I should pay RM 0.50/litre because I don't make a profit or pirate DVD stalls!!!" Mmmmmmkay....

My last line makes me think of software pricing too.

"Graphic design firms, big companies and corporations should pay $10,000 for Microsoft Windows, Adobe Photoshop and Microsoft Office. We home users should pay $50 each cause its we do not make a profit!"

10GB per day with RM188 is too expensive.
that is why I say 100GB per day with RM188. and I don't think I can reach that amount with my 1.5M line ( even I download 24 hour).
@@ I don't like cap/throttle. It should be fix to constant speed .. why 4mbit and later back to 128kbit ??

another word, RM188 should be package for unlimited p2p download

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 25 2006, 05:06 PM

Yes, this is absolutely correct. This is why the BSA only go after companies and not home users because companies earn profit from the productivity gained thru the use of illegal software.

This is a joke. I can get a news server service providing me with 30GB per month for RM37 and yet the ISP service cost twice as much? excit3, you really need to think again and not use rapidshare because they are ripping you off. I can get UNLIMITED news server service access for RM55 per month and download at 1Mbps 24/7 easily.

TM Net should have no problems at all providing for an unlimited internet service at 1Mbps for double the price (RM110) of an unlimited News Server service.

This post has been edited by TC_Boy: Oct 25 2006, 09:39 PM

I guess you two have to go survey other broadband providers around the world who caps download usages, and compare that to my proposal. You'll be bloody shocked.

Some ISPs give 30GB / MONTH at a high premium. Just look at Australia for example.

It took me a while to finally understand how costly bandwidth actually is. I hope one day you both will too

Can we offer something like what Singapore is offering ?

Why would it be too expensive? Would you rather have a fake unlimited speed? Or a real full speed? With the current conditions of my Streamyx, I wouldn't even be able to download 1 GB in a week, let alone 1 day.

With this model of 4Mbits, based on how much I pay, I can download up to 10 GB in a day.

What are they offering?

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Oct 26 2006, 12:50 AM

What is the use of anything if they insist on BT throttling.

We're trying to strike a deal with TM Nut here.

We want full unthrottled speeds in exchanged for limited downloading. That's the plan. Right now, an uber leech at 90% efficiency on a 1mbit line sucks 10 GB / day. That's the real world situation right now if the torrents are uncapped. If you put it at 4mbit unlimited, the max a user can download is 40 GB / day. This is a fact. You can do the math to verify my numbers.

Anyway, at 0.5 GB/day, its more than enough for basic surfing and chatting. So if you're a gamer / heavy BT downloader, you get the 10 GB/day package and download all you want!

I know why some of you are wetting your pants when looking at the numbers. Whole season torrents are aboue 4GB each and DVD quality rips are 3 GB on average. Download 3 DVDs and your daily quota is gone! You fail to factor in that this is per day allowances. Furthermore, unused "credit" will be roll-over.

Singapore, 2 major players (lets leave out Pac Net)

Singtel - 3mbit, 10 mbit and 25 mbit ADSL 2+ . You get about 70% subscribed speed most of the time and the Singaporean government monitors your internet activity. Yes, there is BT activity going on, but doing so is VERY risky.

Starhub Cable - 3 mbit, 15 mbit and 30 mbit Cable connection, usually shared pool of bandwidth with people from same block of flats. Ok, you get 80% speed on a good day, but when many people are downloading, expect 20% of the promised speeds. Again, Government monitors your download activity.

Yes, you can see uber fast speeds when the guys in S'porean forums post up their "1 MByte" download speeds on their torrents. It won't last long. Either they'll be hunted down, or, throttled soon enough. If its too good to be true, it probably is!

+Newbie+ got it absolutely right. Majority of BT users will be happy with 5 or 10GB a day (RM 128/188). If TM Net can guarantee full 4mbit speeds consistently, then its really worth it. IN a month, you can get up to 150 to 300 GB of stuff, enough to fill up a hard disk.

Actually, I am hoping for special package for BT usage. If TM can provide this kinda of package, I will consider to apply also. At least, this is a guarantee to customers to use BT ( and no more throttle as long as within the limited download amount).

I am now paying RM66 per month for "unlimited access". Just imagine if TM provide a same package - "limited BT access - 10GB/month" with RM188 ( almost 3 times expensive) ... I wonder how many customers will agree with this price.

Maybe , thread starter can make a poll to collect opinions from customers.

Bro Tgr, I mentioned 10GB / day for 30 days a month! That's 300 GB total transfers. The difference is, instead of allowing users to use all 300 GB quota on the first 10 days, this system / model allows users to enjoy fast consistent speeds throughout the month. Plus, it won't strain the system. Meaning, TM Net's new international capacity (my source says upgraded from 18gbit in 2005 to 36 gbit international links by jan 2007) won't be stressed too much.

Still confused? Try to re-read my posts above regarding total usage PER DAY.

The purpose of charging users by data transferred is so that extreme leechers who use almost all the bandwidth are being on level playing grounds. This means, more bandwidth can be freed so that an average user can get 4 mbit speeds.

The only way to achieve this is to cap usage! Realistically, 5GB and 10GB per day, are more than sufficient for so called "heavy" BT users. With this model, only 0.01% of extreme users will be disappointed, whilst heavy users pay RM 128 / 188 like they should!

Lets vote for a poll on how much bandwidth you need per day. Keep in mind the results WILL be skewed since this is a tech website and we are all uber 1337 h4x0rs.

I know exactly what you say.

I pay RM188 for 300GB per month ?? no way. It is still too expensive. THis should be for UNLIMITED access package. I truely mean this. Most customers will compare this price with the previous package. If I can use "unlimited access" with just RM66 per month, why I should pay more
(almost 3 times expensive) for a limited download package ?

Also, Malaysia will have its' owned Ibu Sawat. We supposed to use cheaper and better broadband service in the future. Also, this is Malaysia market ( not Australia, not Singapore), it is meaningless to compare with foreign countries.
If really want to compare, I just pay RM150 per month in Japan then I can start to enjoy 30MB Yahoo broadband line !

I don't know, maybe others will agree with this package. But, not me. I disagree with 5000 MB / day - RM 128 & 10000 MB / day - RM 188 -- too expensive.

Refer to this:
500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188

I am not a heavy BT user. My maximum usage will below than 50GB per month.
I will choose RM88 (2GB/day), this is good enough for me. I can accept this price. Reasonable and not too much. slightly a bit expensive ... but ,still good . at least got GUARANTEE and SAFE to use BT.

I seriously think that TMNut should revoke their Unlimited access plan to limited bandwidth per month plan as suggested here.

Unlimited access everybody (not everybody, maybe the so called 10% users) will want as much bandwidth as they can like someone already posted here

They're not going to pay for another hardware to limit each user based on bandwidth quota

Couldn't agree more!!!
If u guys willing to pay more and wan to use BT,
might as well invest in UseNet using newsgroups where u can get max downloading without worries about uploading factor.

Australia is an exception, not the rule. If you're going to compare us to Australia, why not Sweden or the other european countries?

I think thread starter is talking about Australia broadband.

Hardware to limit bandwidth quota can be easily implemented. Assuming we have 200,000 Streamyx users, we'll need a farm of about 100 xServe or Dell rack mount servers to handle the load. No problem, shouldn't be more than rm 300,000. Its just basic data collection on downloads. I think some newer systems might already have the capacity in place. Just need to implement it.

Tgr, the problem is that we have been SEVERELY underpaying TM nut for the amount of bandwidth we use. Seriously, seriously underpaying. Its the government's pressure to increase broadband penetration that causes this lack of bandwidth. So TM nut has been over-selling the bandwidth by a factor of at least 20!!

Ok, so we've got the numbers now... just cap us accordingly lah! I'd rather have consistent fast speeds rather than 10KB/s on BT downloads. Waste electricity and spoil the computer only! Not to mention causing us, the users frustration!

I am not agree with this fact. please explain this.
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@@ an off topic question: R you working with TM ??

about 24-36 months ago, there has been heavy promotion of b/band usage right? its just a government tactic... becuz if more ppl in our country use "broadband"... its good for our statistical numbers. Foreign investors will be more confident and trust our country.

its basic economics - push fake numbers, people trust whatever crap statistics governments publish. so, basically their strategy was to sign up as many users as possible. countries like aus, sg, swe, chn, jp etc all have high broadband penetration. it sorta gives foreigners fake confidence and assurance.. so yeah. its a conspiracy.

fast forward october 2006. severe bandwidth shortage. every 1 mbit of international pipe is AT LEAST shared by 100 streamyx users. normal ISPs have a 1:10 ratio, which assumes that not EVERYONE downloads maximum speed all the time. Poor thing is, Malaysians are smart and know how to Limewire and Torrent. So basically the line is really darn saturated. Instead of your usual 1mbit, you might be seeing 100kbit for example. That's how bad our situation is.

Unlimited is a very general word. It could mean unlimited data transfer, unlimited online time, or anything else. Technically they're not cheating you if they decide to ammend their TOS and implement data caps. There's a clause which gives them power to do so. As consumers, we are f*ked, its take it or leave it! TM Nut is therefore a monopoly, in every sense of the word.

yes, I sound like someone working for TM nut, but basically i'm just trying to raise awareness about why one shouldn't f*k tm nut unnecessarily becuz of small small things like slow speeds. yes, its frustrating, but we have to be tolerant to be considered a mature nation. Otherwise, we're no better than 3rd world countries.

Hey, remember the petrol price rise? A decade ago, we were paying RM 1.10/litre. Factor in inflation, it should be about RM 1.20 right? Hahaha... we're paying RM 1.92 because OPEC nations are bloody greedy. Those f*kers want more Ferraris and Lambos in their garages as well as to feed their 10s of mistresses and 100s of children! They're playing with the oil price becuz, they're controlling it! If u don't pay them premium for their liquid gold, then... why should they sell it to you?

People like Japan are willing to pay more for this stuff. Makes you think where our Petronas money goes to, huh??

While it may sound smart right now, sooner TM Nut will run out of bandwidth anyways, cuz these Usenet servers are in Europe, China or U.S. Ultimately, the links will get congested so, all services will die anyway! Might as well impose bandwidth caps now, so you can torrent all you want - within reason.

look, Australian economy is so much stronger than Malaysia's. What's wrong with comparing to them? You think that our neighbouring countries all have high limits and unlimited data caps? Nonsense! They're as worried about Torrents, P2P and other stuff.

If you move to China or Singapore for example, and you download your 200GB-500GB a month, surely you'll get a letter from your ISP about "abuse". Here at least they haven't threatened you yet!! lol.. Japan and S. Korea is the exception because all of Asia's pipes to the U.S (Where everything happens...) happen to pass through them, so they've got multiple OC-768 capable lines across the Pacific. Sweden is becuz the government is comparatively very clean and really pushing for IT advancements.

100mbit swedish pipes ultimately gets bottlenecked at 5mbit to American lines. Trust me. Japs might get 10mbit to America, that's it. America, well, FIOS and Optimum Online are in the 15mbit ballpark, so I'd say that they only thing limiting THEM is the server capacity.

Imagine a 100mbit connection SERVER SIDE feeding 1000s of 10mbit lines!? How is that possible? The internet is shared. If you want crazy P2P / Web speeds, hop onto the Internet2. Now limited to Edu only, but soon going public. I2 STARTS at 100mbit speeds and GigE is the norm. So lots of unis in the I2 project get TRUE 100mbit P2P speeds 24/7. Makes you wanna study in the States, right??

I think the TM Net should get connectivity to I2.

1 gigE in 2007 upgrading to 10 gigE in 2008. Lol, all our torrent cravings will be satisfied.

It works out to be US$48/mbit for 10GigE!

This post has been edited by prasys: Oct 26 2006, 03:11 PM

Government force TMnut to make the promotions ?? I never heard of this kinda of news. TMnut can just stop the promotions. Now, customers will only blame TMnut ( for its' stupidity to throttle BT and making so much FAKE promotions). Customers will not blame government. At last, this is TMnut's faulty. Nothing to do with government.

If someone tell TMnut to jump down 10 levels floor building without any safety equipment, will TMnut follow it too ?? Just think this by common sense. Of coarse not. TMnut want to make promotions in order to attract more customers and earn more money. This is nothing to do with "government forcing etc ... or any political issue "

customers pay money to TM every month. We pay money because we need the service. Let say I buy a car with RM30,000 but at last, I find out that this car is only worth RM3,000. I think I am "kenak tipu" and will definitely feel angry.

It's same case as apply TM's broadband, customers are not satisfy with its' service. Of coarse we will complaint and F*** at TM. Do we need to bring this thing to our Prime Minister ?? or discuss it in the Parliment ??

The worst thing is that even TM receive countless of complaints everyday by customers, TM still pretend as if nothing is happening. I wouldn't say TM doing nothing. Yes, TM is doing some improvement. But, the improvement is so damned slow ... like snail crawl ....

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back to this forum discussion,
I will agree to pay RM88 for 2G/day.
but, TM must promise to customers that this is not something similar to "based on best effort basic"
also don't unreasonably throttle my line if my BT download not more that 2G per day.

yeah... fcuk to TMnet... i'm paying RM66 for the 512kbps line, so i should get at least 80% of the speed promised... they should have warned me about bt speed capping in the contract but they didnt... now they cap it without telling anything to us, the customers... i dont give a damn about how expensive the bandwidth is, that is their f*ucking problem... if it is bloody expensive, the shouldnt introduce this f*ucking unlimited package to us... they are the one who dont know how to do business... now i want my speed back, u bloody dumb ISP...

I would agree on this limitation package ONLY when TMnet is not monopoly

Hmmmm, I wonder about your comments, the basic fact is that TMnet is currently not providing the service that has been contractually agreed by all of us as users. Further to this TMnet is currently breaking the law/rules according to the "Internet Access Service Provider (IASP) Sub-Code for the Communications and Multimedia Industry Malaysia"

I also think that your argument about what is offered in other countries is a moot point, I have lived in several countries(including Australia) and I have always been able to get UNLIMITED internet at speeds that would knock the socks of TMnet. The government here in Malaysia is trying desperately to achieve certain goals to further advance this beautiful country and with TMnet monopolizing the internet then providing the horrible performance that they are now, they are going against everything the government is trying to achieve.

For TMnet to be subjecting its clients to this sort of treatment is nothing short of criminal, we have yet to see press release notifying us all about the need to take measures such as "controlling the use" or "throttling internet". I have only seen some statistic that has been seemingly pulled from thin air with no supporting evidence that "17% of the users are using 80% of the bandwidth".

I cannot download all my email tonight because my "control of use" has me limited to 5-10KB/sec, I cannot connect to MSN messenger. My connection was working wonderfully right up until they started messing with our internet access approx. 3 months ago and has been as frustrating as hell ever since. I have called TMnet so many times that I think they know me by my voice now when I call, I have written emails, contacted "higher ups", written to newspapers, and am just about ready to go postal if I don't get what I have been so used to having since I got broadband in this country 3 years ago (two years of dialup before that nearly killed me)

TMnet really does need to be held accountable for what it is doing to us all, but who is going to hold them accountable? I'm guessing like most laws in this country that the ISAP is more of a guideline that no one will really ever enforce. Does anyone know a good lawyer that would be interested in fighting our cause?

Yes unlimited is a very general word, but there has never been any mention anywhere of any limitations to this term regarding TMnet's terms and conditions. Yes they have the right to alter their TOS, BUT they have to tell us that they are doing so and they must not contravene the IASP http://tinyurl.com/yh797n

Ahhh yes you do, although you have enlightened me to a few facts (thank you).
How could we f*k tm? Is speed a small thing? (Many on here don't think so) And haven't we all been very tolerant of what is being done to us all? A mature nation would expect high standards from all of it's service providers whether its water, power, sewage, rubbish collection, or ISP. That is what makes us better than a 3rd world country.

So are you saying that TMnet should be more greedy? Why? Because they have created a bigger demand within this country for a service that they monopolize? TM profited 4.5 billion ringit I think I read somewhere, I'd be interested to know how much of that came from TMnet, I can guarantee you that they run nothing at a loss and a good deal of Rakyat money (petronas) has been used to build the infrastructure they are now profiting from.

The big issue with Malaysia is that, we are the piracy capital of Asia. Like it or not, we p4wn even China in terms of %P2P traffic / %total traffic. Malaysians are pretty averagely smart. They know what Bit Torrent is. They want to watch American TV series, anime, Chinese serials, cartoons, download full versions of s/wares. I'm sure we have twice as many percentage of the population who are broadband subscribers and know how to suck bandwidth.

Obviously TM forgot to take this into consideration when offering their packages. They assumed 1:10 bandwidth contention ratio should be sufficient, like most nations including piracy-laden China, or technologically-matured nations like Singapore, Japan, South Korea, UK and Europe. We are still babies in the internet life cycle, so to speak.

Right now, our 1mbit lines are shared with at least 100 other people during peak hours. We simply do not have the capacity. It wasn't planned 3-5 years ago when TM Management and IT guys sat down and decided the RM 88 / 1 mbit / unlimited price point. Obviously the intention is that we can chat 24/7 without worrying about phone bills. We want to be technologically advanced like our neighbours.

But due to this P2P-craving factor that they didn't take seriously, our international pipes became too squished. If there is a window of opportunity for a serious legal challenge to sue TM Net, I'm sure Karpal Singh and all those pissed of lawyer Streamyx users would launch a class-action lawsuit of some sort. If their chances of winning are high, then surely someone must have thought of it, and made frontpage news. No, its not happening. Think about the possible reasons why.

TM worded their contract so sneakily that we cannot push them. You want something that is 90% efficient, and bandwidth is available to you 24/7, like I said, TM offers Direct. Go enquire about bringing a line to your home.

The state of home broadband is terrible, I agree. But then again, there's nothing TM can do without closing shop! Nothing. Unless they throttle. Don't worry, if their promises come true, they'll double their 18gbit capacity to a more decent 36gbit. TIME has some serious fiber, so if the management knows what to do, they'll implement it as necessary.

I think we should cut TM some slack. I'm sure right this moment, many crews of contractors are digging holes, marketing staff are negotiating bringing in more international bandwidth to Malaysia. They don't like to be internationally known as a sucky ISP. They are doing something about it. It just takes time. Its like teaching a stupid spastic boy how to do algebra. It takes lots of time, ok? And it won't happen overnight.

If you think you know how to manage TM, by all means, go ahead! Try running a company, morphware. Just try it.

oh, btw.. there is something wrong with your connection, and its not related to this nationwide BT cap. ON HTTP / Mail / MSN / FTP traffic, I get a full 160KB/s on my connection, most of the time. Need proof? Sometimes u gotta check your config.. Then again, my area could be lucky and yours, not so lucky!

Oh, and your e-mails must be huge! 10KB/s not enough for you. Perhaps you waited an hour for it to download? Damn... that's 36megs assuming an hour's worth of waiting. Hope you have gmail

Hey, Malaysia is a free nation (almost)... if you don't like Streamyx, get the Maxis 3G home broadband thingy. Onlly RM 68 / mth, no time limits!! Available anywhere, modem cost rental included!!! NO PHONE LINE NEEDED!!! NO NEED TO DEAL WITH F*KING TM!!! Nice 3GB cap per month OR go with Jaring BB or Webbit or Time Shyt. Gluck, mate.

o/t: You know what i noticed in school? people are more frustrated becuz their daily supply of puretna.com is lessened with this torrent cap. Must be lah, or else why they're so moody and emotional??? Hahaha....

This post has been edited by excit3: Oct 27 2006, 06:31 PM

You raise some interesting points, yet I doubt your logic with some of what you have to say. Oh and Malaysians are very smart people by the way.

First Malaysia is NOT the piracy capital of the world, sure there is piracy here but there is piracy in EVERY single country of the world. For someone who appears so net savy, you should at least try to google these things to substantiate them before posting. Try http://www.bsa.org

You look at the IPs in your P2P client next time you use it and see what countries you are connecting with, P2P is universal, it has been around for quite some time now, and TMnet were asked by their provider(globenet I think they are called) to purchase more bandwidth a long time ago. There is no excuse I can think of that would be acceptable for TMnet to let the situation get to this. They have tools to monitor network saturation and usage, they employ specialists to maintain the integrity of the network, yet the management ignored these people (hence the reshuffle) and we are all kept in the dark, fed a bunch of lies when we ask why and then expected to just deal with it.

TMnet can do plenty, thats why they are there, and they cannot "close shop" they have a responsibility to this country and this countries' government as the monopoly provider. Did you take the time to read the IASP? It angers me so much that even with this document in place a company as big as TMnet and a company that represents Malaysia on a global scale can get away with flaunting the rules themselves. Its just like most of the laws in this country, there are plenty of them but they are all very selectively enforced and even then you can probably buy your way around them.

As for the high flying lawyers you mentioned, I have no idea what their take might be on this whole situation, I can be fairly sure they aren't P2P users so the issue wouldn't mean much to them like it does to all of us. Maybe all it would take is that someone go and ask for their help and they would step up, I have no idea, and I would never try to second guess any lawyer.

HAHA you sure have faith in TMnet don't you

"I'm sure right this moment, many crews of contractors are digging holes, marketing staff are negotiating bringing in more international bandwidth to Malaysia."

I doubt they are doing doing anything much at all myself, it's been an ongoing problem for months now and I know that if I had such a critical problem with the network I was administering it would have been fixed a hell of a lot faster than this. I won't cut TMnet any slack, if we all take this sort of treatment lying down they won't treat it with any urgency at all, we need to make more noise! Write to TMnet's CEO, service and the newspapers, tv channels, your local member of parliament, call them all as well, if it gets them to move and fix this problem faster GREAT mission accomplished but until then I am doing whatever I can to have my service restored to it's once properly working glory.

FYI, I have managed several companies, I am not a schoolboy as you seem to think I am. Oh and I have a thorough working knowledge when it comes to networks as well, so no there is nothing wrong with my connection as it all checks out fine to the DSLAM up the road beyond that who knows. My connection is sporadic yet my DSL link is solid, I have high SNR and very low attenuation, I get 10KB/sec on P2P and HTTP downloads and webpages will lock up intermittently as well. Yes I do get some large emails, and yes I have a gmail account or two, I also have a web server or two and a mail server, but timeouts suck in any language. I have great bandwidth to Singapore, yet none to the UK or the US, and average to Australia.

I like DSL, those other technologies you mentioned are not suited to me, I liked Streamyx and will again once it is fixed. And I am not going to pay RM12K for what I should be able to get as a regular user.

On that note I hope you get that job in TMnet when you finish school, you would do them proud as a service rep marketing their obviously inadequate network.

hmmmm anybody know what is tmnets profit record? so far, no losses yet????

what losses? those tmnut baboons only know how to take money and not spend it on something we call bandwidth.

morphware, don't waste your time arguing with that tmnut schoolboy. OMG now we know why tmnut is a mess because they hire schoolboys to run their company!!!!!!!

I think we can all agree that TM Net is wrong for over selling their bandwidth and that TM Net is wrong for providing such poor service. Why don't all work from that common ground?

For me, I believe a few things would be in order.

1. Refunds for all customers due to TM Net not providing the service they promised.

2. Revamp of all unlimited packages to introduce download caps. This would mitigate any spikes in demand for download bandwidth and eliminate the need for throttling Streamyx users.

3. Upgrade their network and put in place safeguards, so that this over selling does not happen ever again.

But of course, I must be living in dreamland to be expecting this from TM Net.

Alright come on. Let's all stop flaming each other and focus on our common enemy - TM Net. We mustn't start bickering amongst ourselves as that would be what the Dark Lord would want. We must bring The One Ring to Mordor and ---- urm .. sorry got carried away ...

Statistics lie. Everyone knows that! Numbers can be manipulated to lie. Lets say a Mafia statistics study came out in 3 different countries...

In Brazil, they say Italy has highest % of mafia / population.
In Italy, their study claim China is the mafia king.
In China, they claim Afghanistan.

Are you to say these 3 reputable (assuming...) studies are all wrong? Partly. Maybe the Brazilian study is referring to mafia:population ratio And the Italian study is referring to number of TOTAL mafias and the China study is referring to the net impact of mafias, and the severity.

BSA's numbers might be partly true, but if you think about it, we should think in terms of % of pirates / % of population, because that's what ultimately determines congestion and saturation. To put simply, imagine this:

PRETEND that in China, there are 1000 net users (sample size). All 1000 of them are office workers who go to Cybercafes and all they do is chat on MSN. The measured usage per month, 10GB for everyone per month. 10GB/month is good enough for China.

PRETEND that in Malaysia, the study take 1000 users, this time from LowYat forum. We download all the shyt there is on BT. We need at least 10GB down a day per member! Shove out the calculator and you'll see that's 300 Tera! (40 times more!)

This sort of surveys take samples, so its not a true reflection. You need to use your analytical and logical skills when coming to conclusions when looking at data sets.

malaysia has 0.025 b people. There are 6 b people. Do the math. Of course we'll need to connect to the world to get our "stuff". I can't tell you what i'm DL now, but I see about 40 peers. About 7 of them are Malaysians. If your statistical analysis is right, 17.5% of P2P users in world are Malaysians (!) And you know its not true. And it does not mean Timbuktu or Australia doesn't use P2P because they're not on my peerlist.

RM 88 is only about US$25. Seriously, how much b/width can you get for that money? The only way is to oversubscribe / commit lah! Think of all the external and operating costs associated with running an ISP, and I'd dare say that only US$2.50 of our fees is budgeted for international pipes. Ok, lets collect 2,000 lowyat members and with this US$2.50 each , go to Cogent, Global Crossing, Level 3 and tell them "Hey dudes, we want 2 Gbit bandwidth to feed our Torrent-lust".

US$5,000 buys a 0.1 Gbit pipe at best, and you gotta transport the bandwidth from U.S. or Jap, or SG to Malaysia, further additional costs to light up the fiber.

Its nice to have network specialists looking at the network. If TM decides to do this, (*and I'm sure they have), they will disable / pretend a network maintanance on the bottom 90% of Streamyx bandwidth users and only let the top 10% users connect to the network to stress test. I'm sure even with our multi-gigabit international bandwidth capacity, they'll see their graphs at 90-95% utilisation, even with 90% of Malaysian Streamyx subscribers DISABLED! Haha, that's how serious it is. Ok, so the techies found out, they have their meetings, what can they do? Since you have CEO / management experience, especially in Network some more, go help them kautim lah! Talk is easy, actions are a different ballgame altogether!

Responsibility? Monopoly provider? Who is to say Microsoft is wrong, if Uncle Bill decides to sell everything to Steve Jobs for US$1 and retire a happy life? Microsoft will chap-lup (close shop) and 80% of the world's computer users will be left in the dark? Is Microsoft socially irresponsible? Maybe. Are they wrong? OF COURSE NOT! They are not your slaves ok?? You don't pay them RM 88 so that they MUST sell you expensive international bandwidth at peanuts!

IASP or whatever crap that is, yes its nice on paper. Emron, Mc Donald's, almost everyone has this similar crap about their policy and vision and shyt. SO what? Doesn' mean Emron is clean. Doesn't mean Mc Donald's REALLY REALLY comply with their standards. This is a sinful world, i mean, there's no perfection.

Haha, you'll be surprised on how many lawyers pirate stuff. I personally know many, and yes.. they buy their $10 DVDs along teh pasar malam as well. The cops too, we are Malaysians, we pirate! The problem gets worse as we are so cheapskate that we need to download it via Torrent. The net is meant for education, information and exchange of information (communication), it has turned into a piracy trading den! The problem is particularly worse in Malaysia. That's it.

You're probably a network engineer. I understand your frus. Administering 100s of users with a 4mbit corporate pipe (at best) and all of them want fast download speeds. Amatuers!! If a company in the U.S. has 100s of employees, they'll call up Cogent or Level 3 and get a 100mbit company line (specially for downloading big files) for a mere US$1000/mth, peanuts compared to what TM has to pay for bandwidth.

Btw, I never mentioned you're a schoolboy. Sorry if you perceived that way and I've offended.

May I suggest using EventID 4226 patch? Regular Windows XP updates will cause max connections to be limited to 10 (even though you have hacked it earlier). Otherwise try updating your modem and router's firmware to hack it to enable more simultaneous connections. Just a suggestion.



See, its like I've just bought a Ferrari and bashing it kaw-kaw! Compain that top speed is only 250km/h, suspension too stiff, steering too heavy, braking not responsive, interior looks cheap, legroom insufficient... BUT WE ULTIMATELY LIKE IT, and WE DON'T WANNA BUY A TOYOTA OR SOME OTHER SHYT CUZ ITS "NOT SUITED FOR YOU". hahaha, irony isn't it? I'm not saying Streamyx is as good as Ferrari for ISPs, but you get the point. Its easy to point mistakes, and when we're enjoying the 100KB/s for years, we never complained a bit!

I'm into Finance. So I'll be making Financial decisions when I graduate. Marketing doesn't interest me. But I appreciate your good wishes.

Yupp... Ferrari refunding your RM 4 mil because it doesn't live up to your expections It sucks when we can't do anything. But as per topic, Download Caps are the way to go!

Hope you don't mind some kiddy insults:




"School kids google. Net Savvy people read WSJ, Wikipedia, Digg and THG"




A bigger HAHAHAHAHHA to you, bro! You know TM Net sucks balls, but still stick with them. Its like my wife is abusing and cheating on me, but NOOOOO.... I still love her and wanna be with her because she's a monopoly! Or, putting all your money on Liverpool to win the EPL this season! (peace, cops!!!)

[sidenote]
I wrote to TM about their bandwidth capping. They're smart. They replied that they do not cap anything, which I really truly believe them. The possible explanations are:

1. TM's tier 1 bandwidth providers are capping / shaping, maybe in Singapore, maybe elsewhere. But the link from your computer -> TM -> TM's international gateway, that is uncapped / unthrottled.

2. Priority. Capping and restructuring priority are two different things. You see 160KB/s downloads on HTTP and other protocols. BT protocol has been put to EXTREMELY low priority. So sometimes you see decent speeds to American peers on your Torrents, but most of the time, you can still connect to them, but its very slow.

Well, I wouldn't think of it the way you do. I think of it as Ferrari selling me a Wira in place of an Enzo. Obviously I'd demand a refund. But to each his own.

Haihz, I think I'll just sit back, eat some popcorn and enjoy the show.

But +newbie+, for the past 2-3 years before the throttling, you were getting an Enzo. Only now, the performance is like Wira... and you still want your RM 4mil!

Yeah.. just sit back and enjoy! Come January, if they still don't buck up, then I'll start my own ISP!

really ?? don't forget about those FREQUENT and COMMON problems TM ( unreasonable line disconnection and unreasonalbe speed slow down ---- all happened without any prior notice ).

I think we are start to use "wira" at the very beginning.

Since we were at Wira at the very beginning, why is there so much complaints now that our performance has dropped to that of a 10 year old Wira? Not much difference right?

Thing is, deep down inside, we've been enjoying our Enzo for the past 2-3 years, now TM seems to be robbing us of what we deserve. But do we deserve 90% efficient 1mbit lines 24/7/365 for RM 88 montly?

The consumer would say "hell yes!". The business and management people would say, "F*ck, WHAT??????" and the unbiased person will say, "Lets compromise; lets cap by data usage."

agree with this.
After all, customer is the BOSS. TM must follow what customers ask for. If TM failed to fullfil customer's need, then TM must be F*uck off. As simple as that.

A little article I wrote. Hopefully it will be published on front page!!

Solution for TM Bandwidth Problems
by excit3 (exciting.spam@gmail.com)

Sunday, 28th October 2006

just one question here:
Is quota based on " best effort basic" ??
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@@ everything just like a fairy tale .... interested to read on but surprised me with the last sentences:
"excit3 is a 20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya."
Hi .... Hi .... r you telling us that you r a genius ?

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 28 2006, 06:51 PM

Nice theory you came up with! I believe many countries such as Australia are using such a plan but instead of being capped back to 128kb isn't it better if after finishing your quota you'll have to pay for extra bandwidth based on a table eg. 100mb 50 cents etc.

This post has been edited by JackX: Oct 28 2006, 07:01 PM

excit3 you are one of the most on the fence people I have come across in the longest time, one minute your putting shit on TMnet then your saying poor TMnet.

I have said what I want to say, if you don't like it too bad, it is my opinion and I really feel it reflects a lot of other peoples opinions as well. I am going to speak to my lawyers this week and see what they have to say, surely I can get something back for all the trouble they are causing and the lost productivity I have suffered.

I couldn't even remote admin one of my servers in Shah Alam the other day, had no hope of reaching any of the others. Even Maybank2U will 404 sometimes how is that excusable?

There is certainly nothing wrong with my system and I have 3 different brand modems and a high end gateway here that all produce identical symptoms. My half open connections are also set properly. I can send and receive files with my neighbor perfectly, I can create a remote season to his system also with no trouble, the problems seem to be further upstream. I think it feels like a dodgy router, router table, or cable, I wish I could go to the TMnet data center and do some of my own diagnostics, but I highly doubt thats going to happen even with the people I know.

Good luck with your Ferrari, won't last long on Malaysian roads I guess thats the Caps on the Ferrari huh?

Hey, I can't control what you say, think or want to think. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, your and mine included. If you think of me that way, so be it!

Nice idea. It was thought of by many ISPs who cap long ago. People complained about the high montly bandwidth bills. So it wasn't a popular option. Maybe that can be an option, you tick a checkbox and TM will charge you accordingly.

I'm the type of people who offers solutions. I'm not the average Malaysian who f*cks this and that and DEMAND a resolution from the offended party. If my boss comes to me, tells me a problem, I don't go dissing him and wishing he would die a painful death. I just tell him what I think it can and should be resolved? Got a problem with that, dude?

My stance is clear. I acknowledge a problem and I offer a solution. It doesn't mean I love TM at all. I'm quite neutral, but I believe with this bandwidth caps, I will love this ISP who brought me American TV series, American pr0n and South Park week in week out. I love TM for that.

I never said nor implied that your opinions stink. I love to hear what you have to say. I want to be like Abdullah, let Dr. M (you) do the talking and not rebutting you line-by-line so that I can give one clear and un-contradictory statement and let it be over with. Goodluck with your lawyers, and if you don't appear on front page news in 7 days time, then you're a big bluff! Everyone here has evidence and will just laugh you off! Proof me wrong, dude....


Whoa.. you're a server admin and don't even know how a Network works? You think you have a direct connection via Streamyx to your servers in Shah Alam?? Heck no. Its your computer -> your modem -> your DSLAM -> hop 1 -> Kelana / Cyber -> hop 2 -> hop 3 -> some router -> some other ISP -> some other ISP's mama's router -> some server -> some bandwidth provider -> your server provider -> your server.

ANYTHING CAN GO F*KING WRONG in between ok? And its totally wrong to diss TM becuz of that.

I have Maybank and RHB. Neither 404'ed on me. Must be your connection, you're pushing your Max TCP with your plethora of server services!!! All your connections (100 or 200 TCP) are probably idle / dead.. meaning all connections at around 0 K/s. So that's the root cause, I suspect.

Cool. You won't believe anyway, but my dad owns a computer shop and I have at least 4 different brands of modem to test at any given time as well as high end Linksys, Dlink, and Belkin shyt. But that doesn't matter. If your physical phone wire to the pole stinks, then no Cisco router can save you. Haven't thought of that, have you? I know you told me about SNR and attenuation, but line, node and local network conditions are more than that.

I love to break the speed limit. I love to zoom in the NPE, NKVE, Kesas, bring it on, baby! Caps are there for a reason. And if you're too noob to figure out, then you're just wasting EVERYONE on lowyat's breathe trying to explain to you that, as well as matters pertaining to bandwidth costs.

Gnite, mate!

I think this is a step backwards, the internet should be easy to access and use not have these confusing plans (they will be for most). TMnet should continue to provide a reasonably priced service as they already do, but they need to step up to the plate with higher quality of service OR open the market to other "last mile" providers. At the very least TM should be looking at wholesaling their service to third party ISPs to provide (Maybe then the quality will rise).

To say that this prioritizing system that TMnet has implemented is smart, is nothing short of the total idiocy of the implementation itself. This "controlling" as TMnet would prefer it referred to as, is not functioning correctly and is not being fixed. Instead of just deprioritizing P2P traffic, ALL my traffic is slow or failed and there are many more suffering the same as I am.

To say that P2P is for piracy is like saying air travel is for drug smugglers, it makes no sense at all, P2P has been adopted by many companies as the preferred way to deliver large files as it takes the load off the server a distributes it among other downloaders. If P2P is made the bad guy of the internet then progress is shot in the foot and what's next? Ohhhh we better limit how much people can transfer all together whether its P2P or other because they must be pirating!

What happens once IPTV starts in Malaysia? that will use huge amounts of daily data won't it? And those connections are going to be 8Mb/sec connections. What about other future technologies and applications? The more bandwidth that is available the more we will all demand feature rich, high bandwidth applications to enrich our online experience.

The reality is that TMnet needs to upgrade the whole network (what happened to DSL2?) and the International bandwidth to a point that is at least a year or two ahead of the current required bandwidth, you know maybe draw up a graph or two. Just imagine what the network would be like if the government was actually reaching its desired broadband Internet penetration! They had hoped to be at 30% by the end of this year I think.

Forget about all your wonderful little limiting plans, as long as TMnet has the monopoly on the last mile, they should not be allowed to put any limitations on anything. So typical that a big company would want to have its cake and eat it to.

If TM did what needs to done instead of sitting around gloating about this years record profits, maybe, just maybe Malaysia would have the WORLD CLASS Internet provider the government would like to think it has. Scream it from the hill tops, write to the media, get this situation fixed for the betterment of the country. Malaysian Internet is a joke by international standards, how long can they hide behind the "We are only just starting as a broadband provider." come on seriously, its a huge company and it has the resources to make it all happen, but its not, WHY?

Personally I think Abdullah is as corrupt as most of the other politicians in this country, not saying the Dr M was any less corrupt but at least he got things done, and Abdullah just does what you would like us all to do, kick back and wait for it all to happen. (way off topic anyway)


"Whoa.. you're a server admin and don't even know how a Network works? You think you have a direct connection via Streamyx to your servers in Shah Alam?? Heck no. Its your computer -> your modem -> your DSLAM -> hop 1 -> Kelana / Cyber -> hop 2 -> hop 3 -> some router -> some other ISP -> some other ISP's mama's router -> some server -> some bandwidth provider -> your server provider -> your server.

ANYTHING CAN GO F*KING WRONG in between ok? And its totally wrong to diss TM becuz of that."

Yes I do know how a network works, I was building networks back when you were a dirty thought in your fathers head.

And yes it has everything to do with TM because in the situation I mentioned I'm not even accessing a network outside the TMnet network.

I was under the same impression about my physical connection some weeks ago and demanded that TM send a tech out to test it, they did that, he re terminated all my wires just to be sure and plugged in his test equipment and everything checked out 100%. So its not that. Its also not my PC, I have 3 different ones here XP, Server2003, and a linux box and all do exactly the same thing and no its not my router, I have tested without the router on all my systems and again the same thing.

The problem is with TMnet, I know this for sure, what it is in TM that is screwed up I have no idea. Thats their job to find and fix, it is my job to demand that it be fixed.

Proving you wrong is now my full-time job at lowyat.net forums! But I'm loving every moment of it! So, here we go!!!!!



The plans look / seem confusing to you? Even a 12 year old know what the numbers mean. Bad argument! You have a budget of RM 80k for a car and you want a Ferrari? Opening up to "last mile" is SUCH A GOOD IDEA. No, I'm not being sarcastic. It would be a win-win for TM.... Jaring, Time and Maxis can use TM's copper... at the same time, TM can charge them RM 50 /month premium, for example for the use. Who is to say TM cannot do that??? OF cuz they can! They open certain areas to Jaring, and see how Jaring DSL is doing?? Quite a failure, right?

TM can't just open "last mile" to any Ali, Abu and Ahmad! If not, these small companies will make losses for TM and piss off their customers. I doubt any of these other broadband providers have the capacity that comes close to one tenth of what TM has. TM is the market leader. Just ask users of PenangFon, LightSpeed and all other "fiber wannabe" companies. They're hurting because of P2P, and you know it!

I'm voting for Digi to come into this BB game. Alas, the government is limiting foreign investment in local monopolised industries. What to do?



Yours is an isolated case. Get a technician to change your telephone cable to the pole and to wire it correctly. If all else fail, dump TM. You have a freedom to choose. Use Maxis 3G or Digi EDGE unlimited. If its better than TM, then you stick with it lah!

F*ck. You are seriously disillusioned dude. What have you been smoking? P2P is known for piracy. 99.99% of P2P traffic are for pirating stuff. I know of Revision 3, and Hak5.org, or TheScene and other genuine IPTV firms who distribute via P2P (Torrent specifically). Even game developers use it to distribute their games and update patches. Even with that factored in, 99.99% of P2P traffic is illegal! Where have you been the past 3 years? This argument is the worse defence in the book! Its like... the "temporary insanity" argument for murder... yes, you might be successful, but rehab is worse than going to prison for 50 years. Its total idiocy!



ADSL 2+ is in trial now as we speak. Ridzual Condo and few others have it. Check out jeffooi.com .. IPTV is 100% local traffic - we have hundreds of gigabit of local connectivity, don't worry.... but your supply of pr0n (and other torrent) is from overseas, thus it goes through our 18 gbit international link bottleneck. Your DSLAM is more than capable of supporting IPTV. TM just upgraded the equipment down my street to support ADSL 2+ and so far, so good.

Do you work for a marketing firm? Damn, you have bloody fancy marketing terminologies! Other people would say, "he more bandwidth that is available the more we can download more warez and pr0n". F*ck. You're different!



Re-read my previous post. When they thought up of the 1mbit / rm 88 / unlimited plan, they FORGOT to factor in P2P being so rampant. Normal ISPs 1:10 bandwidth contention ratio. TM Nut is now doing 1:100 , so obviously there has to be slowdowns. Easy to say right, just add bandwidth? You think your grandfather owns all the Tier 1 ISPs ah, so freely give you additional bandwidth. Actually, bwidth is cheap, its just transporting all that capacity to Malaysia. You'll be spending hundreds of millions of Ringgit to lay undersea submarine cables to Japan / Korea!




What? Your paragraph doesn't make any sense.

TM's profit hasn't been all rosy. The bulk comes from their fixed line service. It cost them about RM 1 to maintain our phone lines but our "Sewa Bulanan" is about RM 25. TM's internet business is making a loss / just breaking even. Broadband is heavily subsidised in Malaysia - as well as other parts of the world. Cept in Malaysia, the government doesn't see a need to give us 10 mbit lines yet.

I lived in one of our ASEAN neighbouring countries (obviously not Singapore). Their broadband speeds NOW is: 512 kbit - "unlimited", but the speeds are roughly 64kb/s real life - RM 250/mth. You think I'm crapping? PM me and I'll tell you which provider it is. Discount Singapore, and Malaysia's broadband situation is the 2nd BEST amongst ASEAN countries. Sleep on it.

I just could not imagine how developed of Malaysia's bistari school to train out such clever student --- 20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya ??

Revenue Composition for the financial year ended 31 December 2005

RM million % Contribution

Fixed Line Business 3,144.0 22.6

Fixed Line Residential 2,414.2 17.3

Leased & Data Services 908.6 6.5

Mobile 5,983.9 42.9

Internet & Multimedia 702.7 5.1

Other telecommunication 575.9 4.1

Non-telecommunication 213.1 1.5

TOTAL REVENUE 13,942.4 100.0


Internet and Multimedia
Internet and multimedia business registered a strong year-on-year growth of 36.4%. Its contribution to the Group revenue grew to RM702.7 million from RM515.4 million recorded in 2004. TM Net Sdn Bhd's broadband customers expanded by 92% to 495,000 from 258,000 in 2004. Whilst its dial-up customers increased to 2.1 million from 1.9 million last year.

TM Net maintains its leadership position with 97% market share in broadband market and 58% in narrowband market by offering competitively priced products and services.



PS.

For all your smarts you don't read and understand very well, go back and re-read what I said before. Think about it a little then reply. Your off the cuff reply does not do justice to you and your previous replies.

This post has been edited by morphware: Oct 28 2006, 10:20 PM

hi, that is for Australia.

Yeah thats another thing, you can't say that it costs $x in whatever country, we are in Malaysia, TMnet is for Malaysians, and we all spend Ringit not Dollars here.

With all the travel I have done around the world one thing I have noticed is that most things in most countries cost about the same in that countries money. eeerrggghhh there has to be a better way to explain that.....

But anyway, whatever it costs broadband needs to be affordable for all the public in Malaysia or the government will fail in its desire to attain whatever levels of broadband penetration.

And excit3, remember sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

It's because he loves Australia. Hopefully he will leave us to deal with TM Net and go and stay there. Last I remembered, USA whopped Australia's A$$ in the USA - Australia war. (A little GTA3 humor. What? u don't know? Listen to the radio in GTA3)

thread starter only purposely make us to believe that we (customers) are paying less than actual price.
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what ?!
20 year old kid studying at Taylors Business School, Subang Jaya ??

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 28 2006, 10:20 PM

It's like this my sis in USA woks for about US$1000-2000 per month and she pays US$10 for cinema while most around here earn that in Ringgit same numbers range and also pay 10 for cinema but in ringgit.

how come we can compare Malaysia with Australia ??
how about compare Malaysia with Indonesia ??
100 rupiah enough to buy RM0.20 periksa ayam keropok ??

I'm paying phone rent and streamyx as well. What! RM100 not enough for my 512kbps connection?

TC_Boy at least catch some ball! morphware is still in his reality distorted dreamland!

Thing is, bandwidth is a commodity, much like oil. If Malaysia's petrol is not subsidised, we'll be paying RM 3 a litre for RON 92. That's the fair market value for it. Doesn't mean Americans should pay US$3 / litre (its about US$2.50 / gallon now) Be reasonable.

It is never my intention to be sarcastic. You, morphware, pushed me, I had to retaliate in order not to appear weak. Re-read the posts! Not having a defense makes you look like a sissy! (Promise, mods: this is my last beef / diss)

Tgr, I'm not manipulating your minds. I'm just stating the facts. Some times you have to snap out of your dream and come back to the real world.

peace, ya'll.

morphware, what connection problem?



gnite,
excit3

Yeah thats it thanks.

I think you are the one live in "Australia Dreamland" all the time.
Hei, man ! Wake up! This is Malaysia !!

Peace, 20 year-old boy

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 28 2006, 10:32 PM

I read your plan, and frankly I would be willing to give it a try if implemented by TM Net, probably at the RM128.00 tier, but holy shit you need to stop with the personal insults and condescending manner. It doesn't advance your argument at all, and only makes you sound kinda crazed.

We get it, you're the man with the plan, one who's more neutral than Switzerland, forever willing to turn the other cheek and work arm in arm with those who've wronged you, lover of women and eater of bears, the sole voice of reason in this mad, mad world. Did I miss anything? Just... chill man.

Btw, I think I've met you in person. Y/N is your dad's computer shop in Sunway Pyramid?

Statistics as at 1:00 a.m.



Finally someone figures out what I'm trying to say! My gosh! There is a GOD!!!!

My personal insults were never meant to be. Like I said, they were really pushing me. Re-read my first few posts and you'll notice that the tone of the posts are very very gentle. I made sure I never offended anyone's opinion. But as you go to page 2, criticism started flying from up down left and centre. People started posting without thinking.

They never understood basic concepts about running an ISP. Who would blame them. But shouldn't you keep quiet if you don't have the facts?

I'm very passionate about what I do. If you lack passion, you might as well stay at home and just sleep. Yes, I might be occationally gung-ho, but that doesn't mean my views should be taken lightly as if it comes from an immature kiddy (although I sometimes am).

No, I haven't met you. But I like to meet intelligent people. Maybe we can have coffee.

On a personal note, I'd go for the RM 128 plan too. Its more than what I'm paying today, but at least I get guaranteed bandwidth.

Here, evidence at 2:15am that TM Customer Support is telling us the truth! We are not capped on TM Net's server / international gateway!!! They de-prioritised BT traffic, putting it extremely low.

www.speedtest.net all gave me a nice 160KB/s on major test sites. So there is no problem with congestion.. just that BT is low low low on the priority list... maybe they allocate 40% of bandwidth for BT now? So 0.4 * 20gbit (prudent estimate) = 5gbit international bandwidth for whole of Malaysia to enjoy.

At odd hours like NOW, we have maybe 70% allocated to BT, so the speeds improve slightly.

That is a misunderstanding. I never said I wanted a full refund. I enjoyed my Enzo years and paid the full RM88 with no complaints except for the occasional outages. I now want a partial refund on my monthly bill because I am not getting the full 1Mbps speed that I was promised. Hence the Wira - Enzo substitute analogy.
I apologise for the misunderstanding.

I do agree with your capping idea, and I believe myself to be one of the few minority here who have been advocating it in the last few months before you even registered here.

Nice plan. Although I'd be more rest assured if someone else came up with those numbers. Not because you're young. But because I'd rather my numbers were sourced from experts who have access to real information and know what to do with that information. The same way you'd see a doctor for physical ailments, not an accountant. You do after all admit that you major in finance. And neither can you claim to have seen real inside data about TM Net's network. So at best, these numbers are mere estimation.

But the very foundations of the idea, capping bandwidth while allowing full 4Mbps bandwidth, is to me, a very good idea that deserves some consideration amongst the big shots at TM Net.

Although I doubt they'd even bother with such a package, since the current business model they use means that they can charge us full price without giving us full bandwidth. They'd make an even bigger profit that way. If I were a greedy b*****d with no morals and ethics, that's exactly what I'd do. I guess I'm just pessimistic when dealing with TM Net.

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As for the current debate, I think the biggest point of contention is that some prefer the unlimited download at fixed speed, while the others prefer capped download at fixed speed.

I am obviously on the capped download side. I hope that people will not condemn the capped download idea simply because they do not like the way that Excit3 presented his ideas or simply because he's only 20 yrs old. Rather, I hope that they will give the idea some thought and decide rationally without emotions getting in the way.

The basic principle is this - Scarcity of resources. Bandwidth, to me, is a form of commodity, hence a resource. And since resources are scarce, naturally it can never be offered unlimited. That would result in a spiral of demand that will eventually be impossible to be met. Hence the idea of providing unlimited downloads is a rather false idea. There can never be unlimited downloads because bandwidth is always limited.

i) Capped downloads:-
Giving a capped download bandwidth per day forces demand for download bandwidth to be staggered on a day by day basis across the whole month. It acknowledges the idea that bandwidth is limited and charges users by how much bandwidth they want to spend. As such, this will help mitigate outages from spikes in congestion and also help ensure that heavier users pay more for the commodity. Quality of Service must be ensured in such a model, since we have already given up on unlimited downloads in exchange for better QoS.

Such a model is also extremely scalable when compared against increasing download speeds. QoS benefits greatly as a result.

ii) Unlimited downloads:-
Opting for an unlimited download model will expose the network to outages due to spikes in congestion resulting in lower QoS. And because downloads are unlimited, some people will constantly maximise their downloads on a day by day basis in the network throughout the month, resulting in constant congestion. Do keep in mind that such an act is not legally wrong. It is the fault of the business model for allowing such an act. Anyway, all these factors will result in lower QoS. This model makes it too easy and too cheap for people to be able to hog all the bandwidth for themselves. You think that you are having unlimited downloads. But you are actually capped by the dl speed and also by the congestion that unlimited downloads create by straining the network everyday. Look at the current state of our internet access, today and you'll know what I mean.

And the worst thing is, such a model becomes increasingly unscalable when compared with increasing download speeds. Hence my earlier statement about demand spiralling to a point that it becomes unmanageable.

Summary
Try to think of bandwidth like water. A commodity. I don't think we should be paying a fixed amount of money for water consumption. Nobody does that. We all pay for how much we use. It's the same with bandwidth.

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Oct 29 2006, 03:54 AM

Why is TMnet making the problem worse by upgrading everyone to faster connections then? Wouldn't a slower connection put less strain on the obviously maxed out International connection?

Right now I would prefer a slower connection with good QOS.

This post has been edited by morphware: Oct 29 2006, 03:49 AM

Precisely. I do not condone what TM Net is doing. They're signing up people on the assumption that their gateway upgrade will solve all these bandwidth problems. In the meantime, they throttle us. This is an act that I disagree with, but it is something that they can get away with.

You're beginning to understand the concept. As it is, with our current gateway, we can either have slower speeds for unlimited downloads to maintain QoS, or we can limit how much we donwload in a day and have the full speed of what we pay for. This is what I believe. I would choose the latter option, as I have previously mentioned, since that is scalable with higher downloads speeds.

+Newbie+ , well put.



Just more evidence about my "de-prioritization theory" Keep in mind most of us are getting 160KB/s on our HTTP downloads, so in theory, our torrents can hit that speed too. But because of BT having a lower priority or less % allocation of total TM international bandwidth, our peers can't touch the full potential.

Still its a big leap from totally banning International peers. Good job, TM!

This is 5am, so when people start to wake up, my speeds will temporarily fall.

[7:15 a.m. edit]

Just making sure...

This post has been edited by excit3: Oct 29 2006, 07:40 AM


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agree with this. even with good local peer , BT can reach ( >120k). I am not good/ understanding at those theory or calculation very well, which you stated at 1st post. I hope there will be a good solution for this issue. may be, price quota will solve it. i hope so. I can pay more for BT ( but not too much) with 2G/day, RM88.

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 29 2006, 07:20 AM

For the last 8 years, I've rarely enjoyed the published transfer speed of Streamyx. So until I do, and consistently so, will I even consider anything less than unlimited transfers.

This kind of service quality is totally unacceptable in some countries but we Malaysians are a tolerent lot. Tolerence though has a limit. Now, what guarantees do we have that the service will improve? None.

11% using 80% bandwidth? I would suggest weeding out technicians on the take in exchange for uncapping, if those rumours are to be trusted. Knowing the culture, I actually find some truth in them.

Bottomline, TM-Net delivers what they promised initially, then we can negotiate. At this point, its more like a "take-it-or-leave-it" thing. Do we all need to live with all this incompetency?

Play nice. Anymore personal attacks from you and I'll send you out of here.

oopss... wouldn't talk much here anymore.
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off topic here .....I don't mean to "personal attack". Sorry , if thread starter or admin think it this way.

I really don't think a 20-year-old boy can be such informative/knowledgeable
( truely no harmful/ hidden meaning/ personal attack).

I am 17-year-old secondary school student ( examination result always no.1 from the bottom )

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 29 2006, 09:37 AM

why cant a 20yr old be so informative?
with the internet boom, i feel that more kids (13-22 age group) are more knowledgeable, compared to those born during the 7x years.

don't discuss anymore about this off topic. I don't understand a 20-year-old boy thinking with my 17-year-old brain (maybe because of my stupidity). Forgive an under-aged boy talk. ok ??

This post has been edited by work_tgr: Oct 29 2006, 10:32 AM

I sense a good idea from threadstarter, this is what so -called "middle-way" approach, instead of demanding tmnet on expanding their international bandwidth, which in turns would transfer the costs to end user.

The TS' suggestion is the effective effort to solve the bandwidth scarcity problem for the time before TMnut could afford greater bandwidth.

But the price per bandwidth can be negotiated and revised

btw, de-priortizing BT = throttle, as according to most LYNians definition So between these 2 terms, it can be used interchangebly in LYN

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Oct 29 2006, 12:20 PM