Can we offer something like what Singapore is offering ?

Why would it be too expensive? Would you rather have a fake unlimited speed? Or a real full speed? With the current conditions of my Streamyx, I wouldn't even be able to download 1 GB in a week, let alone 1 day.

With this model of 4Mbits, based on how much I pay, I can download up to 10 GB in a day.

What are they offering?

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Oct 26 2006, 12:50 AM

What is the use of anything if they insist on BT throttling.

We're trying to strike a deal with TM Nut here.

We want full unthrottled speeds in exchanged for limited downloading. That's the plan. Right now, an uber leech at 90% efficiency on a 1mbit line sucks 10 GB / day. That's the real world situation right now if the torrents are uncapped. If you put it at 4mbit unlimited, the max a user can download is 40 GB / day. This is a fact. You can do the math to verify my numbers.

Anyway, at 0.5 GB/day, its more than enough for basic surfing and chatting. So if you're a gamer / heavy BT downloader, you get the 10 GB/day package and download all you want!

I know why some of you are wetting your pants when looking at the numbers. Whole season torrents are aboue 4GB each and DVD quality rips are 3 GB on average. Download 3 DVDs and your daily quota is gone! You fail to factor in that this is per day allowances. Furthermore, unused "credit" will be roll-over.

Singapore, 2 major players (lets leave out Pac Net)

Singtel - 3mbit, 10 mbit and 25 mbit ADSL 2+ . You get about 70% subscribed speed most of the time and the Singaporean government monitors your internet activity. Yes, there is BT activity going on, but doing so is VERY risky.

Starhub Cable - 3 mbit, 15 mbit and 30 mbit Cable connection, usually shared pool of bandwidth with people from same block of flats. Ok, you get 80% speed on a good day, but when many people are downloading, expect 20% of the promised speeds. Again, Government monitors your download activity.

Yes, you can see uber fast speeds when the guys in S'porean forums post up their "1 MByte" download speeds on their torrents. It won't last long. Either they'll be hunted down, or, throttled soon enough. If its too good to be true, it probably is!

+Newbie+ got it absolutely right. Majority of BT users will be happy with 5 or 10GB a day (RM 128/188). If TM Net can guarantee full 4mbit speeds consistently, then its really worth it. IN a month, you can get up to 150 to 300 GB of stuff, enough to fill up a hard disk.

Actually, I am hoping for special package for BT usage. If TM can provide this kinda of package, I will consider to apply also. At least, this is a guarantee to customers to use BT ( and no more throttle as long as within the limited download amount).

I am now paying RM66 per month for "unlimited access". Just imagine if TM provide a same package - "limited BT access - 10GB/month" with RM188 ( almost 3 times expensive) ... I wonder how many customers will agree with this price.

Maybe , thread starter can make a poll to collect opinions from customers.

Bro Tgr, I mentioned 10GB / day for 30 days a month! That's 300 GB total transfers. The difference is, instead of allowing users to use all 300 GB quota on the first 10 days, this system / model allows users to enjoy fast consistent speeds throughout the month. Plus, it won't strain the system. Meaning, TM Net's new international capacity (my source says upgraded from 18gbit in 2005 to 36 gbit international links by jan 2007) won't be stressed too much.

Still confused? Try to re-read my posts above regarding total usage PER DAY.

The purpose of charging users by data transferred is so that extreme leechers who use almost all the bandwidth are being on level playing grounds. This means, more bandwidth can be freed so that an average user can get 4 mbit speeds.

The only way to achieve this is to cap usage! Realistically, 5GB and 10GB per day, are more than sufficient for so called "heavy" BT users. With this model, only 0.01% of extreme users will be disappointed, whilst heavy users pay RM 128 / 188 like they should!

Lets vote for a poll on how much bandwidth you need per day. Keep in mind the results WILL be skewed since this is a tech website and we are all uber 1337 h4x0rs.

I know exactly what you say.

I pay RM188 for 300GB per month ?? no way. It is still too expensive. THis should be for UNLIMITED access package. I truely mean this. Most customers will compare this price with the previous package. If I can use "unlimited access" with just RM66 per month, why I should pay more
(almost 3 times expensive) for a limited download package ?

Also, Malaysia will have its' owned Ibu Sawat. We supposed to use cheaper and better broadband service in the future. Also, this is Malaysia market ( not Australia, not Singapore), it is meaningless to compare with foreign countries.
If really want to compare, I just pay RM150 per month in Japan then I can start to enjoy 30MB Yahoo broadband line !

I don't know, maybe others will agree with this package. But, not me. I disagree with 5000 MB / day - RM 128 & 10000 MB / day - RM 188 -- too expensive.

Refer to this:
500 MB / day - RM 44
1000 MB / day - RM 66
2000 MB / day - RM 88
5000 MB / day - RM 128
10000 MB / day - RM 188

I am not a heavy BT user. My maximum usage will below than 50GB per month.
I will choose RM88 (2GB/day), this is good enough for me. I can accept this price. Reasonable and not too much. slightly a bit expensive ... but ,still good . at least got GUARANTEE and SAFE to use BT.

I seriously think that TMNut should revoke their Unlimited access plan to limited bandwidth per month plan as suggested here.

Unlimited access everybody (not everybody, maybe the so called 10% users) will want as much bandwidth as they can like someone already posted here

They're not going to pay for another hardware to limit each user based on bandwidth quota

Couldn't agree more!!!
If u guys willing to pay more and wan to use BT,
might as well invest in UseNet using newsgroups where u can get max downloading without worries about uploading factor.

Australia is an exception, not the rule. If you're going to compare us to Australia, why not Sweden or the other european countries?

I think thread starter is talking about Australia broadband.

Hardware to limit bandwidth quota can be easily implemented. Assuming we have 200,000 Streamyx users, we'll need a farm of about 100 xServe or Dell rack mount servers to handle the load. No problem, shouldn't be more than rm 300,000. Its just basic data collection on downloads. I think some newer systems might already have the capacity in place. Just need to implement it.

Tgr, the problem is that we have been SEVERELY underpaying TM nut for the amount of bandwidth we use. Seriously, seriously underpaying. Its the government's pressure to increase broadband penetration that causes this lack of bandwidth. So TM nut has been over-selling the bandwidth by a factor of at least 20!!

Ok, so we've got the numbers now... just cap us accordingly lah! I'd rather have consistent fast speeds rather than 10KB/s on BT downloads. Waste electricity and spoil the computer only! Not to mention causing us, the users frustration!

I am not agree with this fact. please explain this.
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@@ an off topic question: R you working with TM ??

about 24-36 months ago, there has been heavy promotion of b/band usage right? its just a government tactic... becuz if more ppl in our country use "broadband"... its good for our statistical numbers. Foreign investors will be more confident and trust our country.

its basic economics - push fake numbers, people trust whatever crap statistics governments publish. so, basically their strategy was to sign up as many users as possible. countries like aus, sg, swe, chn, jp etc all have high broadband penetration. it sorta gives foreigners fake confidence and assurance.. so yeah. its a conspiracy.

fast forward october 2006. severe bandwidth shortage. every 1 mbit of international pipe is AT LEAST shared by 100 streamyx users. normal ISPs have a 1:10 ratio, which assumes that not EVERYONE downloads maximum speed all the time. Poor thing is, Malaysians are smart and know how to Limewire and Torrent. So basically the line is really darn saturated. Instead of your usual 1mbit, you might be seeing 100kbit for example. That's how bad our situation is.

Unlimited is a very general word. It could mean unlimited data transfer, unlimited online time, or anything else. Technically they're not cheating you if they decide to ammend their TOS and implement data caps. There's a clause which gives them power to do so. As consumers, we are f*ked, its take it or leave it! TM Nut is therefore a monopoly, in every sense of the word.

yes, I sound like someone working for TM nut, but basically i'm just trying to raise awareness about why one shouldn't f*k tm nut unnecessarily becuz of small small things like slow speeds. yes, its frustrating, but we have to be tolerant to be considered a mature nation. Otherwise, we're no better than 3rd world countries.

Hey, remember the petrol price rise? A decade ago, we were paying RM 1.10/litre. Factor in inflation, it should be about RM 1.20 right? Hahaha... we're paying RM 1.92 because OPEC nations are bloody greedy. Those f*kers want more Ferraris and Lambos in their garages as well as to feed their 10s of mistresses and 100s of children! They're playing with the oil price becuz, they're controlling it! If u don't pay them premium for their liquid gold, then... why should they sell it to you?

People like Japan are willing to pay more for this stuff. Makes you think where our Petronas money goes to, huh??

While it may sound smart right now, sooner TM Nut will run out of bandwidth anyways, cuz these Usenet servers are in Europe, China or U.S. Ultimately, the links will get congested so, all services will die anyway! Might as well impose bandwidth caps now, so you can torrent all you want - within reason.

look, Australian economy is so much stronger than Malaysia's. What's wrong with comparing to them? You think that our neighbouring countries all have high limits and unlimited data caps? Nonsense! They're as worried about Torrents, P2P and other stuff.

If you move to China or Singapore for example, and you download your 200GB-500GB a month, surely you'll get a letter from your ISP about "abuse". Here at least they haven't threatened you yet!! lol.. Japan and S. Korea is the exception because all of Asia's pipes to the U.S (Where everything happens...) happen to pass through them, so they've got multiple OC-768 capable lines across the Pacific. Sweden is becuz the government is comparatively very clean and really pushing for IT advancements.

100mbit swedish pipes ultimately gets bottlenecked at 5mbit to American lines. Trust me. Japs might get 10mbit to America, that's it. America, well, FIOS and Optimum Online are in the 15mbit ballpark, so I'd say that they only thing limiting THEM is the server capacity.

Imagine a 100mbit connection SERVER SIDE feeding 1000s of 10mbit lines!? How is that possible? The internet is shared. If you want crazy P2P / Web speeds, hop onto the Internet2. Now limited to Edu only, but soon going public. I2 STARTS at 100mbit speeds and GigE is the norm. So lots of unis in the I2 project get TRUE 100mbit P2P speeds 24/7. Makes you wanna study in the States, right??

I think the TM Net should get connectivity to I2.

1 gigE in 2007 upgrading to 10 gigE in 2008. Lol, all our torrent cravings will be satisfied.

It works out to be US$48/mbit for 10GigE!

This post has been edited by prasys: Oct 26 2006, 03:11 PM

Government force TMnut to make the promotions ?? I never heard of this kinda of news. TMnut can just stop the promotions. Now, customers will only blame TMnut ( for its' stupidity to throttle BT and making so much FAKE promotions). Customers will not blame government. At last, this is TMnut's faulty. Nothing to do with government.

If someone tell TMnut to jump down 10 levels floor building without any safety equipment, will TMnut follow it too ?? Just think this by common sense. Of coarse not. TMnut want to make promotions in order to attract more customers and earn more money. This is nothing to do with "government forcing etc ... or any political issue "

customers pay money to TM every month. We pay money because we need the service. Let say I buy a car with RM30,000 but at last, I find out that this car is only worth RM3,000. I think I am "kenak tipu" and will definitely feel angry.

It's same case as apply TM's broadband, customers are not satisfy with its' service. Of coarse we will complaint and F*** at TM. Do we need to bring this thing to our Prime Minister ?? or discuss it in the Parliment ??

The worst thing is that even TM receive countless of complaints everyday by customers, TM still pretend as if nothing is happening. I wouldn't say TM doing nothing. Yes, TM is doing some improvement. But, the improvement is so damned slow ... like snail crawl ....

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back to this forum discussion,
I will agree to pay RM88 for 2G/day.
but, TM must promise to customers that this is not something similar to "based on best effort basic"
also don't unreasonably throttle my line if my BT download not more that 2G per day.

yeah... fcuk to TMnet... i'm paying RM66 for the 512kbps line, so i should get at least 80% of the speed promised... they should have warned me about bt speed capping in the contract but they didnt... now they cap it without telling anything to us, the customers... i dont give a damn about how expensive the bandwidth is, that is their f*ucking problem... if it is bloody expensive, the shouldnt introduce this f*ucking unlimited package to us... they are the one who dont know how to do business... now i want my speed back, u bloody dumb ISP...

I would agree on this limitation package ONLY when TMnet is not monopoly