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post May 6 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(ktard007 @ May 6 2015, 08:51 AM)
THIS. If hit from a steep angle fast enough, of course the Pajero will spin. Question is whether got VSC or even if got VSC, will it helps in such high speed impact? As for the seatbelts, is it possible for seatbelt to break during an impact? I don't know, but sounds possible.
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There is a limit to everything, not only traveling speed of the vehicle but the manner the vehicle's steering is controlled by the driver. When the limit is exceeded, whatever stability thing will be rendered useless.
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post May 6 2015, 04:43 PM

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It takes minimum 2 retards to make the sheet happens.
While the Myvi drivers racing are wrong, doesn't means that the Pajero driver is right either.
The only thing that makes Pajero driver right is because he died. If the Myvi driver died, then the Pajero driver would take the blame.
If not going to overtake, there's no excuse to simply change lane.
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post May 6 2015, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Eithanius @ May 6 2015, 03:28 PM)
I wished I could find back the link... Saw it on the FMC FB site or its sister FMurderC FB site couple of days back... It's probably a snapshot of an illustration taken from a malay daily...

EDIT: found it...!

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If this indeed true then yellow myvi is not at fault is she?
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post May 6 2015, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(tititilly @ May 6 2015, 05:27 PM)
If this indeed true then yellow myvi is not at fault is she?
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Why not at fault...?

She was racing... some more speeding on the left lane... If she wasn't speeding, she would have been able to brake on time... Even not speeding and crashed on the Pajero, the impact wouldn't be so great to cause it to turn turtle...

Anyway, just let the police investigate, we can just end the speculation here...
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post May 6 2015, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ May 6 2015, 04:43 PM)
It takes minimum 2 retards to make the sheet happens.
While the Myvi drivers racing are wrong, doesn't means that the Pajero driver is right either.
The only thing that makes Pajero driver right is because he died. If the Myvi driver died, then the Pajero driver would take the blame.
If not going to overtake, there's no excuse to simply change lane.
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Who change lane?
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post May 6 2015, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 6 2015, 06:11 PM)
Who change lane?
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I read in the paper that Pajero changed lane.
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post May 6 2015, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(Eithanius @ May 6 2015, 06:04 PM)
Why not at fault...?

She was racing... some more speeding on the left lane... If she wasn't speeding, she would have been able to brake on time... Even not speeding and crashed on the Pajero, the impact wouldn't be so great to cause it to turn turtle...

Anyway, just let the police investigate, we can just end the speculation here...
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pajero lost control and spun to her lane right? so she was not the one who caused the accident to happen.

in her defense, she may not brake on time to stop the second collision even she drive moderately
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post May 6 2015, 09:00 PM

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If the Myvis were neither racing nor at fault, why rest of the group members fled the accident scene in the 1st place?
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post May 6 2015, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 6 2015, 03:33 PM)
The death is fated. Whatever stability control that you think "might" have prevented the car from losing control. It might, it might not. But it is fated. You cannot turn back time to change fate.
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Yes, you can't turn back time. But these deaths could have easily been averted by something as simple as them wearing their seatbelts. Maybe stability control may have avoided the accident in the first place, but in any case they did not have to be dead, even in the car they were driving. What I am preaching is that by taking a couple of basic security precautions... wearing seatbelts, buying a safe car if the budget allows, you can greatly reduce the risk of dying in a car accident. Nothing to do with fate. All about reducing risk. Even though it can't be 100% eliminated you can lower the risk a lot. If you are doing all sorts of stupid stunts on a bike, do you expect to live long? Drive very fast, weave through traffic, especially in the wet? No. Sooner than later you'll end up in a deadly accident. Call that fate?

Well, I'll just enjoy the fact that I'm European and thus fated to live a long life... apparently fate (or God) doesn't like Malaysians. At least the ones believing in fate.
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post May 7 2015, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(Volkswagen2 @ May 6 2015, 08:33 AM)
The death is fated. Whatever stability control that you think "might" have prevented the car from losing control. It might, it might not. But it is fated. You cannot turn back time to change fate.
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Your faith begin with seatbelts on and place your child in a proper child seat before you set off. Even Jesus Mohamad Budda wouldn't be able to protect you without seatbelts or childseat. It's a no brainer.
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post May 7 2015, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 6 2015, 09:27 PM)
Yes, you can't turn back time. But these deaths could have easily been averted by something as simple as them wearing their seatbelts. Maybe stability control may have avoided the accident in the first place, but in any case they did not have to be dead, even in the car they were driving. What I am preaching is that by taking a couple of basic security precautions... wearing seatbelts, buying a safe car if the budget allows, you can greatly reduce the risk of dying in a car accident. Nothing to do with fate. All about reducing risk. Even though it can't be 100% eliminated you can lower the risk a lot. If you are doing all sorts of stupid stunts on a bike, do you expect to live long? Drive very fast, weave through traffic, especially in the wet? No. Sooner than later you'll end up in a deadly accident. Call that fate?

Well, I'll just enjoy the fact that I'm European and thus fated to live a long life... apparently fate (or God) doesn't like Malaysians. At least the ones believing in fate.
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There are contradictory elements in your post above if you are not aware of it. While I agree on taking precautions, reducing risk does not eliminate death completely as death can still happen even if one has taken all necessary precautions including wearing seatbelts and driving a safe car with stability control. Fate still plays a part in this context.

If you can predict your own future and are absolutely sure you will live until 100 years then it is appropriate to say you are "fated" to live a long life. Otherwise it is improper usage of the term. Fate is something that predetermines events. A more appropriate word to use in replacement of "fated" is expected.


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post May 7 2015, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ May 5 2015, 08:29 PM)
I'm a bit late in posting this but just got to know about this news today after coming back from a holiday. Apparently the writeup on Star paper on Sunday was a bit different from the online writeup here http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...t-Family-Death/

The writeup of the manner of accident is intriguing and raises some questions. Firstly, it was said that the speeding Myvi crashed onto the Mitsubishi Pajero Sport when the Pajero was struck on the rear when the vehicle was trying to merge into the fast lane. The sentence "when trying to merge into the fast lane" may suggest that the Pajero may be driven at moderate speeds. I was suprised that the speeding Myvi that hit the rear of the Pajero had caused the vehicle to overturn several times as reported. The crash must be pretty bad. Though the driver of the Myvi survived that crash I presume. What baffles me is how can a larger and heavier Pajero Sport overturned several times and the smaller and lighter Myvi seemed to be intact with the driver having "minor injury".

Secondly, it was reported that the crash caused the three occupants in the Pajero Sport to be thrown out from the vehicle. Presuming the seatbelts are on, how could that possibly happen? Or the crash is seriously terribly bad that the seatbelts failed to secure the occupants and snapped, causing all three to be flung out from the vehicle?

Any thoughts? Really bad news this one as the deceased had left behind two young daughters.
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Seatbelts don't need to snap for passengers to get flung out of their vehicles, esp when it involves a roll which all the windows will shatter on the first rotation allowing the passengers to be flung out. Our standard 3 point harness is made for head on collision but offers little protection in a roll. For that you need a 4 to 5 point harness used by racing cars that straps you tightly to the seats without any leeway. There are plenty of articles on the lack of safety in our standard 3 point harness in the event of a violent roll over.
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post May 7 2015, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ May 7 2015, 09:42 AM)
Seatbelts don't need to snap for passengers to get flung out of their vehicles, esp when it involves a roll which all the windows will shatter on the first rotation allowing the passengers to be flung out. Our standard 3 point harness is made for head on collision but offers little protection in a roll. For that you need a 4 to 5 point harness used by racing cars that straps you tightly to the seats without any leeway. There are plenty of articles on the lack of safety in our standard 3 point harness in the event of a violent roll over.
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Yes sir, you are right on this hmm.gif
But on another sport car accident recently the driver also flew. On the newspaper it shows that the seat belt still intact from its original place. The seat part is still look good despite the front and rear are badly damaged. So, 4, 5 or 6 point harness does not protect a person when the driver refuses to use it.
If post 19's photo correct, then it maybe showing that the people in Pajero never wear seat belt. Since wearing seat belt in Malaysia is not a must.
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post May 7 2015, 10:18 AM

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Wouldn't the car make annoying sound if vehicle travels above certain speed limit without putting on seat belts
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post May 7 2015, 12:38 PM

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Read yesterday's papers. The reporting on News Straits Times are more explicit than The Star. It was reported that the lady driver in the Myvi was saying there was insider help from Myvi Club and this had created some havoc and tension as people are slamming the lady on Facebook. Even her home address was traced and published.

The News Straits Times also reported that Myvi Club members are also advised to take off their car stickers for safety reasons. From yesterday's papers it was said that 90% of the investigation was completed. Looks like the Myvi cars may be in racing mode on the fateful day that caused the death of the 3 occupants in the Pajero Sport.
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post May 7 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(sleepwalker @ May 7 2015, 09:42 AM)
Seatbelts don't need to snap for passengers to get flung out of their vehicles, esp when it involves a roll which all the windows will shatter on the first rotation allowing the passengers to be flung out. Our standard 3 point harness is made for head on collision but offers little protection in a roll. For that you need a 4 to 5 point harness used by racing cars that straps you tightly to the seats without any leeway. There are plenty of articles on the lack of safety in our standard 3 point harness in the event of a violent roll over.
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Good information in that occupants can still be flung out from the vehicle despite having the safety belt on. I was wondering how this could happen but guess only extreme real life situations whereby the car was in a 360 degrees rotation for 2 to 3 times. No wonder race drivers had different seat belt configurations which the body was strapped firmly to the seats. Guess only those who had experience in the race tracks would know.
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post May 7 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ May 6 2015, 09:27 PM)
Yes, you can't turn back time. But these deaths could have easily been averted by something as simple as them wearing their seatbelts. Maybe stability control may have avoided the accident in the first place, but in any case they did not have to be dead, even in the car they were driving. What I am preaching is that by taking a couple of basic security precautions... wearing seatbelts, buying a safe car if the budget allows, you can greatly reduce the risk of dying in a car accident. Nothing to do with fate. All about reducing risk. Even though it can't be 100% eliminated you can lower the risk a lot. If you are doing all sorts of stupid stunts on a bike, do you expect to live long? Drive very fast, weave through traffic, especially in the wet? No. Sooner than later you'll end up in a deadly accident. Call that fate?

Well, I'll just enjoy the fact that I'm European and thus fated to live a long life... apparently fate (or God) doesn't like Malaysians. At least the ones believing in fate.
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You surely are optimistic to know that you are fated to live a long life as a European though your last paragraph revealed your ignorance on the subject matter. As in your usual self you always make silly statements.
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post May 7 2015, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Dwango @ May 7 2015, 12:41 PM)
Good information in that occupants can still be flung out from the vehicle despite having the safety belt on. I was wondering how this could happen but guess only extreme real life situations whereby the car was in a 360 degrees rotation for 2 to 3 times. No wonder race drivers had different seat belt configurations which the body was strapped firmly to the seats. Guess only those who had experience in the race tracks would know.
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The pajero has side airbags and deployed. So now the question is they fly out first or air bag deployed first?

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post May 7 2015, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(Jonah Lomu @ May 7 2015, 10:18 AM)
Wouldn't the car make annoying sound if vehicle travels above certain speed limit without putting on seat belts
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Usually they will ignore it.
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QUOTE(supersound @ May 7 2015, 01:00 PM)
Usually they will ignore it.
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wow. .but that noise is seriously annoying..mine make sound even for passenger seat n even if the passenger is a small boy. But it's s good reminder. .not sure y ppl ignore seat belts

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