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ozak
post Apr 27 2017, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Apr 27 2017, 09:29 AM)
Ya, will do that before I place my order.
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My advice, place it near your light or anything hide away near the thing you want to control.

The DB is too cramp for the sonoff.

Wiring is much more easy at the device side than the DB for sonoff.


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post Apr 27 2017, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2017, 09:34 AM)
So far ok. Rain and hot (in the roof) doesn't spoil it so far.

Sometime morning I off the main switch. Old habit die hard.

But run back normal and timer are accurate on/off.

Nothing much thing to play around.
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pasang and forget .....what do you want to play summore? sweat.gif
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 27 2017, 09:38 AM)
pasang and forget .....what do you want to play summore?  sweat.gif
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I always have this kind of thinking that smart home thing or high tech thing have many thing to play around. Squeeze around. biggrin.gif

Otherwise people put so much effort on it, not just for pasang and forget.

I have a more complicated thinking. rclxub.gif
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post Apr 27 2017, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2017, 09:44 AM)
I always have this kind of thinking that smart home thing or high tech thing have many thing to play around. Squeeze around.  biggrin.gif

Otherwise people put so much effort on it, not just for pasang and forget.

I have a more complicated thinking. rclxub.gif
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smart home is fun if you have controller and other sensors, for example,

1. Turn on car porch lights when some body in and only at night or sky is dark
2. Turn on lights/aircond when you come back home, and turn on amp to play classical music whistling.gif
3. Turn off all lights/appliances except fridge when nobody at home

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post Apr 27 2017, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2017, 09:44 AM)
I always have this kind of thinking that smart home thing or high tech thing have many thing to play around. Squeeze around.  biggrin.gif

Otherwise people put so much effort on it, not just for pasang and forget.

I have a more complicated thinking. rclxub.gif
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but its called home automation - means everything automatic....no need to mess around.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 27 2017, 10:13 AM)
smart home is fun if you have controller and other sensors, for example,

1. Turn on car porch lights when some body in and only at night or sky is dark
2. Turn on lights/aircond when you come back home, and turn on amp to play classical music  whistling.gif
3. Turn off all lights/appliances except fridge when nobody at home
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I know it fun. But I m tired with the maintenance. Troubleshoot with the device that not work.

Now concentrate on power saving and converting light to dc led.


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post Apr 27 2017, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 27 2017, 10:17 AM)
but its called home automation - means everything automatic....no need to mess around.... biggrin.gif
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I think I mess around too much. sad.gif

Some how I expecting too much from a simple "smart thing". biggrin.gif

Messy wiring in my brain. rclxub.gif


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post Apr 27 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Apr 27 2017, 10:17 AM)
but its called home automation - means everything automatic....no need to mess around.... biggrin.gif
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Home automation is smart home key features

QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2017, 10:51 AM)
I think I mess around too much. sad.gif

Some how I expecting too much from a simple "smart thing".  biggrin.gif 

Messy wiring in my brain.  rclxub.gif
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If you want it to be simple, you need to pay a premium price, control4, apple homekit probably will make it simple
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post Apr 27 2017, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 27 2017, 10:56 AM)
Home automation is smart home key features
If you want it to be simple, you need to pay a premium price, control4, apple homekit probably will make it simple
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Actually I m old thinking.

Smart home now is pretty easy to install now. Less wiring and smaller.

I always follow smarthome tech. Even don't feel like to install in my home. biggrin.gif






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post Apr 27 2017, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 27 2017, 09:37 AM)
My advice, place it near your light or anything hide away near the thing you want to control.

The DB is too cramp for the sonoff.

Wiring is much more easy at the device side than the DB for sonoff.
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I am controlling down light at plaster ceiling, that is why feel a bit hassle if do it near the light.
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post Apr 27 2017, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 27 2017, 10:56 AM)
Home automation is smart home key features
If you want it to be simple, you need to pay a premium price, control4, apple homekit probably will make it simple
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The smart home is not about the control device over app, is the preset if .. then.. else condition that make your home smarter. Now we have 2 platforms amazon echo and apple home to mix use of varies smart devices. And the cost will be lower. Forget about control4 unless you staying in mansion.
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QUOTE(henryj8 @ Apr 27 2017, 02:40 PM)
The smart home is not about the control device over app, is the preset if .. then.. else condition that make your home smarter. Now we have 2 platforms amazon echo and apple home to mix use of varies smart devices. And the cost will be lower. Forget about control4 unless you staying in mansion.
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Amazon echo (alexa) is not really a smart home hub, it can't do IF-THEN-ELSE, you needs IFTTT to integrate with Alexa. Amazon is a voice assistant, it simplify the trigger of series actions.

on the other hand, Smartthings has smart app that can do any logical operations that enable any kind of home automation.

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post Apr 29 2017, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 26 2017, 12:16 AM)
Yes, you need to get same frequency controller, which is smartthings from U.S. I'm currently using U.S frequency as it has more selection for z-wave devices
I only use it to control lights which is less than 200W, it has been running for 4 months and so far so good.

For broadlink integration, you need RM bridge Android app to bridge broadlink to smartthings, I run the RM bridge app in the andorid VM in my ubuntu NAS server.
As for sonoff, there is a guy who write the smartthings device type handler so that smartthings can directly control sonoff, but the sonoff need to flash with customized firmware.
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So still need android for bridge? I thought it can be skipped when using with smartthings

For your TC2 switch, it does have 2 differrent commands right?
If the lights are already turned off & if you were to send off command again on the broadlink app/alexa.
Would it simply turn on the lights or it still remains off?
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post Apr 29 2017, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Apr 29 2017, 04:55 PM)
So still need android for bridge? I thought it can be skipped when using with smartthings

For your TC2 switch, it does have 2 differrent commands right?
If the lights are already turned off & if you were to send off  command again on the broadlink app/alexa.
Would it simply turn on the lights or it still remains off?
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The light will on
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post Apr 29 2017, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Apr 29 2017, 04:55 PM)
So still need android for bridge? I thought it can be skipped when using with smartthings

For your TC2 switch, it does have 2 differrent commands right?
If the lights are already turned off & if you were to send offย  command again on the broadlink app/alexa.
Would it simply turn on the lights or it still remains off?
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1. It is possible to use broadlink without Android RM bridge, but, it needs to run python to send commands, and python integration with smartthings is not straight forward, so I don't use it.

2. It will remain off, for broadlink TC2, each on/off commands has different RF code, so when it is off, sending off command won't trigger it on, likewise, if it is on, sending on command won't trigger it off.

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post Apr 29 2017, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Kiding @ Apr 29 2017, 09:19 PM)
1. It is possible to use broadlink without Android RM bridge, but, it needs to run python to send commands, and python integration with smartthings is not straight forward, so I don't use it.

2. It will remain off, for broadlink TC2, each on/off commands has different RF code, so when it is off, sending off command won't trigger it on, likewise, if it is on, sending on command won't trigger it off.
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Broadlink TC2 is using RF433Mhz one way signal transmit. If the software status is on, then someone physically switched off the light, the status in the software still remain as ON. There are no such as different RF code, broadlink RM pro can support RF433MHz, IR and RF315mhz
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post Apr 29 2017, 10:22 PM

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Why you guys sound like so difficult for a smart home?

I thought nowaday is pretty easy to install and operate ?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 29 2017, 10:22 PM)
Why you guys sound like so difficult for a smart home?

I thought nowaday is pretty easy to install and operate ?
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It is mayb broadlink by china, smartthing by korean, echo dot by amazon american, they have own ego. ๐Ÿ˜‚ They dont communicate & we need to work around for them to put together.
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post Apr 30 2017, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(luvox @ Apr 30 2017, 12:54 AM)
It is mayb broadlink by china, smartthing by korean, echo dot by amazon american, they have own ego. ๐Ÿ˜‚ They dont communicate & we need to work around for them to put together.
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You guys create the problem out or what?

I watched many smart home YouTube and mostly are pretty simple to do and operate.

Watch a lot this guy in YouTube --> DIY smart home guy. He review, teach to install a lot of smart home device. Doesn't look complicated.

Another is superhouseTV by Jonathan oxer. He is more hardcore.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 30 2017, 01:13 AM)
You guys create the problem out or what?

I watched many smart home YouTube and mostly are pretty simple to do and operate.

Watch a lot this guy in YouTube --> DIY smart home guy.  He review, teach to install a lot of smart home device. Doesn't look complicated.

Another is superhouseTV by Jonathan oxer. He is more hardcore.
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Different Manufacturers use different wireless protocol (I m referring to the wireless Smarthome) , Zigbee+, Z-wave (different country different bandwith),Enocean, digitalize RF433 Mhz, RF433Mhz (normal RF, just like your ceiling fan remote control) RF315 Mhz.

Even fall under same wireless protocol, different chip manufacturer have different performance, like NXP, Qualcomm etc.

For a consumer now have to choose a smart home device that can work pretty well on its own apk, api and also can integrate with other platform.

Now the most popular platform is Amazon Echo and Apple homekit.

So you have to puzzle out what you would like to have for your smart home.

This aim not create the problems, you have to think that your smart devices are work for your family, unless you are single (you will find out that most of the feature in the smart home like pointing to a house that only have one human being whistling.gif ) whistling.gif


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