The one with neutral cable hidden that you have mentioned, neutral is usually black color... (green is earth). Better confirm this first?
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The one with neutral cable hidden that you have mentioned, neutral is usually black color... (green is earth). Better confirm this first?
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Apr 30 2023, 10:19 AM
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Apr 30 2023, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(melvinchng @ Apr 30 2023, 10:13 AM) I am looking to DIY and replace my current home switch to smart switch and would need help on some questions. Your 2 gang the green wire I think more like earth wire than neutral? Usually earth is green, live is red/yellow/blue, neutral is black3 switches need to replaced in total - 2x two gang (1x light and 1x fan) - 1x three gang (2x light and 1x fan) This is how the 2x two gang is wired. I do have neutral hidden and unused. ![]() ![]() For the three gang switch. There is no neutral. ![]() In my case, what is the best setup that can work with my Alexa? Shall I go with 1. all no neutral switches 2. two with neutral and one without neutral switches 3. all with neutral switches? (Can I borrow the neutral from the AC switch next to it?) Depends if later u will expand your smart home or not or just going to stop at 3 switches, if 3 switches than cheapo wifi switch 2 neutral 1 non neutral can d, not recommended to borrow from ac, ac may be different phase eg. Your live is red, ac may be blue then the neutral will be diff phase, later you will headache if u want install RCD for each phase, but if u don't plan to do that usually no issue la. Non neutral cheapo switches will need to install the capacitor, for this you need to know how to disassemble your lights / fan to install the capacitor. Good thing with cheapo wifi switches is that it's cheaper by half, spoil just throw and replace |
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Apr 30 2023, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2023, 10:17 AM) The one with neutral cable hidden that you have mentioned, neutral is usually black color... (green is earth). Better confirm this first? QUOTE(Oltromen Ripot @ Apr 30 2023, 10:19 AM) I did this with whatever is next to switch (be it A/C or 3-pin sockets), under assumption all N goes direct to same connection point at the db mains. QUOTE(dest9116 @ Apr 30 2023, 10:24 AM) Your 2 gang the green wire I think more like earth wire than neutral? Usually earth is green, live is red/yellow/blue, neutral is black Yeah, you guys made a point. I mixed up earth and neutral.Depends if later u will expand your smart home or not or just going to stop at 3 switches, if 3 switches than cheapo wifi switch 2 neutral 1 non neutral can d, not recommended to borrow from ac, ac may be different phase eg. Your live is red, ac may be blue then the neutral will be diff phase, later you will headache if u want install RCD for each phase, but if u don't plan to do that usually no issue la. Non neutral cheapo switches will need to install the capacitor, for this you need to know how to disassemble your lights / fan to install the capacitor. Good thing with cheapo wifi switches is that it's cheaper by half, spoil just throw and replace It looks like the best option here is to go with no neutral + hub? I also plan to install smart door lock down the line. My research tell me that I should go with Agara A100 + free E1 hub, then only go with smart switch? Or the E1 hub is very basic. I do not tend to convert more switches to smart switch (maybe 2x 20A for AC I guess? That's the max I will go). Please provide your feedback This post has been edited by melvinchng: Apr 30 2023, 10:32 AM |
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Apr 30 2023, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(melvinchng @ Apr 30 2023, 10:31 AM) Yeah, you guys made a point. I mixed up earth and neutral. Aqara D1 no neutral switches are the better ones, no need use capacitor like some others. It looks like the best option here is to go with no neutral + hub? I also plan to install smart door lock down the line. My research tell me that I should go with Agara A100 + free E1 hub, then only go with smart switch? Or the E1 hub is very basic. I do not tend to convert more switches to smart switch (maybe 2x 20A for AC I guess? That's the max I will go). Please provide your feedback Also to note, Aqara have 20A switches. Iām using Aqara M2 with Zigbee. Pretty solid and stable, though Iām using neutral switches which acts as repeaters for the signal. |
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 30 2023, 01:49 PM) Aqara D1 no neutral switches are the better ones, no need use capacitor like some others. Does Aqara has rf hub? I tried looking online and they only have ir. My fan uses rf instea of ir.Also to note, Aqara have 20A switches. Iām using Aqara M2 with Zigbee. Pretty solid and stable, though Iām using neutral switches which acts as repeaters for the signal. |
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anyone using Aqara 2 switch ones? somehow the furthest one from hub which is master bedroom unable to link, reconnect or connect new
tried extending the wifi signal to no avail |
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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Apr 30 2023, 04:05 PM) I think they are 433 MHz but I don't have any hubs for it yet... or you mean the M2 Hub does support RF? QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 08:02 AM) anyone using Aqara 2 switch ones? somehow the furthest one from hub which is master bedroom unable to link, reconnect or connect new D1 2 gang? or D1 wireless?tried extending the wifi signal to no avail |
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May 1 2023, 10:34 AM
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QUOTE(celciuz @ May 1 2023, 08:09 AM) I think they are 433 MHz but I don't have any hubs for it yet... or you mean the M2 Hub does support RF? should be D1 2 gangD1 2 gang? or D1 wireless? i have lost the box the 3 gang near the door works, hallway single gang. living room 3 gang. kitchen should be the same 2 gang works fine. im baffled |
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 10:34 AM) should be D1 2 gang Aqara D1 is Zigbee protocol, any of your switches between the hub and the furthest is neutral version?i have lost the box the 3 gang near the door works, hallway single gang. living room 3 gang. kitchen should be the same 2 gang works fine. im baffled Else it might be the limit of Zigbee, so you far my experience Wi-Fi most range⦠followed by Zigbee (assuming far from nearest hub/relay then shittiest is Bluetooth š. |
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May 1 2023, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 10:34 AM) should be D1 2 gang i have lost the box the 3 gang near the door works, hallway single gang. living room 3 gang. kitchen should be the same 2 gang works fine. im baffled QUOTE(celciuz @ May 1 2023, 02:47 PM) Aqara D1 is Zigbee protocol, any of your switches between the hub and the furthest is neutral version? I using D1 switches no neutralElse it might be the limit of Zigbee, so you far my experience Wi-Fi most range⦠followed by Zigbee (assuming far from nearest hub/relay then shittiest is Bluetooth š. Ur right the range is the shittest of all. I have to shift my hub to middle of house to make sure all working. Based on aqara app, I have a door sensor and motion sensor right beside the D1 switch and both are showing acceptable zigbee signal, but the switch is showing 100% poor zigbee signal but I have a aqara cube 2 meter even further away from the switch and it have better signal 75% poor signal. So meaning the aqara d1 switch is bad signal maybe because is no neutral so it must connect directly to the hub This post has been edited by dest9116: May 1 2023, 03:11 PM |
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ May 1 2023, 03:02 PM) I using D1 switches no neutral oh lord.... i thought its like different model, keep add different ones in mi home, still cannot alsoUr right the range is the shittest of all. I have to shift my hub to middle of house to make sure all working. Based on aqara app, I have a door sensor and motion sensor right beside the D1 switch and both are showing acceptable zigbee signal, but the switch is showing 100% poor zigbee signal but I have a aqara cube 2 meter even further away from the switch and it have better signal 75% poor signal. So meaning the aqara d1 switch is bad signal maybe because is no neutral so it must connect directly to the hub QUOTE(celciuz @ May 1 2023, 02:47 PM) Aqara D1 is Zigbee protocol, any of your switches between the hub and the furthest is neutral version? dont have bro, thats the furthest. because i put the hub in kitchen. then i need to somehow move the hub i guess... damn no more place lolElse it might be the limit of Zigbee, so you far my experience Wi-Fi most range⦠followed by Zigbee (assuming far from nearest hub/relay then shittiest is Bluetooth š. |
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May 1 2023, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 03:16 PM) oh lord.... i thought its like different model, keep add different ones in mi home, still cannot also Why dowan aqara app? The automation have proper options and runs locally, I used to use mihome too even the hacked version that can use China made with msia region for 3 months, then I switch to aqara app, better I feeldont have bro, thats the furthest. because i put the hub in kitchen. then i need to somehow move the hub i guess... damn no more place lol This post has been edited by dest9116: May 1 2023, 03:22 PM |
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ May 1 2023, 03:02 PM) I using D1 switches no neutral Iām using D1 with neutral (most switches around the house) and you would think all of them would have good coverage but⦠thereās a few switches thatās āpoorā š
not every switch acts as relay. Only a few, and it changes depending on some ārulesā I guess. Not sure how it works this Zigbee mesh thing. Ur right the range is the shittest of all. I have to shift my hub to middle of house to make sure all working. Based on aqara app, I have a door sensor and motion sensor right beside the D1 switch and both are showing acceptable zigbee signal, but the switch is showing 100% poor zigbee signal but I have a aqara cube 2 meter even further away from the switch and it have better signal 75% poor signal. So meaning the aqara d1 switch is bad signal maybe because is no neutral so it must connect directly to the hub QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 03:16 PM) oh lord.... i thought its like different model, keep add different ones in mi home, still cannot also Your best bet is to move the hub to middle, or add another hub š¤£dont have bro, thats the furthest. because i put the hub in kitchen. then i need to somehow move the hub i guess... damn no more place lol My motor blinds and curtain using 2 hub because of the limited RF signal range. |
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QUOTE(dest9116 @ May 1 2023, 03:21 PM) Why dowan aqara app? The automation have proper options and runs locally, I used to use mihome too even the hacked version that can use China made with msia region for 3 months, then I switch to aqara app, better I feel because i have other appliances like TV etc which linked to mi home haha, i guess i will try out Aqara appQUOTE(celciuz @ May 1 2023, 03:27 PM) Iām using D1 with neutral (most switches around the house) and you would think all of them would have good coverage but⦠thereās a few switches thatās āpoorā š
not every switch acts as relay. Only a few, and it changes depending on some ārulesā I guess. Not sure how it works this Zigbee mesh thing. i see, that explains it. dont think id be buying another hub. i gave up linking my curtains too lol just use remoteYour best bet is to move the hub to middle, or add another hub 𤣠My motor blinds and curtain using 2 hub because of the limited RF signal range. |
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 03:34 PM) because i have other appliances like TV etc which linked to mi home haha, i guess i will try out Aqara app I see, then better stick to mihome, I don't see changing app will affect the signal.i see, that explains it. dont think id be buying another hub. i gave up linking my curtains too lol just use remote |
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QUOTE(christ14 @ May 1 2023, 03:34 PM) i see, that explains it. dont think id be buying another hub. i gave up linking my curtains too lolĀ just use remote Iām using life smart motor so they do have a HomeKit hub š but since RF itās quite random at times. QUOTE(alucard89 @ May 1 2023, 03:41 PM) You use homekit or just aqara app? Iām using HomeKit, recently just started with homebridge too. (Trying to figure out Tuya tsk). If dun want to bother with homeassistant, install homebridge with broadlink plugin Broadlink has RF? Will check it out. Will test out the RM4 Pro, hopefully it works š. Would be nice if that hub has enough range for all fans around the house. Then I can leave the switch always on and use radio for controls instead. This post has been edited by celciuz: May 1 2023, 04:32 PM |
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