I have no words for the result

Our defence is getting older and not resilient as previous years. RB position do not have any capable player, defending is slow and predicted. JUVE must switch to back 3 formation of 3-4-3 which gives more solidity. In Jan sell Linch, Stuararo, Asamoah then by 1 quality CB (Giminez/Stefan de Vrij) then remain with back 3. Khedira should not be starter as he tires fast - 2 goals yesterday was because he never close down, and Manzu must start from bench. Costa is improving a lot and should start more often.

https://www.blackwhitereadallover.com/2017/...-tactics-report

Juve 1st eleven
--------------------BUFFON----------------------
-------CHELINI----RUGANI-----BENATIA-------
CUARDADO----PJANIC---MATIUDI----SANDRO
-------DYBALA-----HIGUAIN----COSTA---------


Juve 2nd eleven
--------------------WCEZSNY------------------------
-----BERZAGLI----HOWEDES-----STURARO--------
DESIGLIO----KHEDIRA---MARCHISIO----ASAMOAH
-----BERNA'DCHI---MANZU'KIC---PRAJA/BENTACUR

Juve 2017/18 explained in a 3 paragraphs short notes

1. Our defensive/offensive line is SO deep we could probably find the wreckage of the Titanic. When you play so deep, it takes a much longer distance to get to the opponent's goal. More distance means more time. More time means our opponents are usually back in their defensive positions by the time we reach the halfway line. We don't have players nearly fast enough to make a decent attack over that kind of distance.

2. Our "Wingers" are a scam. They are not wingers. They are defensive LM/RMs. Look at how many times Mandz and Cuadrado have to turn back and pass to our CBs. They can't take on their man like Costa or Berna or Dybala. In an attacking move, they are a waste of possession. We sacrifice TWO of the most important positions in modern football, just for some defensive cover. And still concede goals for fun.

3. Non-existent midfield. Look at how our play goes. Pjanic and Khedira barely touch the ball. When the opponent attack, once they clear our forwards, they reach our defenders with no midfield pressure. I've said it before and i'll say it again, we CANNOT play two CMs with players like these. Look at the 2nd Samp goal. Zero midfield cover from Pjanic and Khedira at all. Their midfielder was free to waltz in and shoot on his own time.

indeed.
somehow last night the player selection was way wrong. max allegri probably too focus on Barca game and misjudge Doria.
we have depth. If midfield is matuidi+pjanic, it could have been different. mandzukic should not play too, he could not connect with asamoah. either put in costa or marchisio is better there.

our defenders don't have the legs anymore, so playing deep is the only option. but max really guilty on his midfield selections

agree totally. midfield was overrun whenever we play a 2 man midfield and especially when pairing khedira with pjanic. khedira is done. he should now be a bench / rotation player instead of a first teamer. Marchisio or Matuidi should pair with pjanic. this is a no brainer

as for our "wingers", they are a disgraced. last season mandzu and cuard were effective coz no one expected allegri will be insane enough to deploy a tank target man as a left winger. it took everyone by surprised. the element of surprise made up for mandzu's insuitability to play on the wing last season. this season, everyone knows how to stop him and exploit his weakness, hence he is totally useless on the left. As for cuard, his lack of good decision making was made up by dani alves's creativity and crossing from right back. this season he has been paired alot with the going down hill lict. di siglio is also ever missing from the line up...

at left back.. asamoah is no longer like the pre-injury / conte days asamoah.he is also done along with our grand master barzagli. he is really showing his age. As for sturaro, he should never be near our starting lineup if cuard or mandzu both starts. we have enough of lack of creativity. entire team depends on dybala and pjanic to create. no wonder opponents shut down dybala and pjanic easily

players who should be sold or should only be subs: lict, asamoah, manzu, khedira, sturaro, barzagli

This post has been edited by Jusstatic: Nov 21 2017, 10:30 AM

definitely. Hence why i wrote earlier, if this same Juve show up against Barca, when Sampa can scored 3, imagined what an in-form Barca can do

the only advantage here is that we're playing on our home turf (well...Lazio had something so say about that..)

IMO this looks like a more balanced lineup, to attack Barca defense & to defend against their decent firepower in Messi, Suarez & co.

---------------------Buffon----------------------
De Sciglio---Rugani---Chiellini--Alex Sandro
------Marchisio-----Pjanic----Matuidi--------
-------------Dybala----Douglas Costa--------
--------------------Higuain----------------------

I still feel the back three is the best solution for the team now...with this formation the 3CB only need to worry about the defence, the current formation each time the wing backs attacks the 2CB is often exposed to counter attacks since the CM's are not covering.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/tra...united-11557658

well, the only one who are the master of 3-5-2 is Antonio Conte. And then, that was when BBC were in their prime. Now Barzagli already past his best. Rugani still improving while Chiellini, even the most
reliable among those 3, are not the same player he was back then

i still think that our strength in the team this season is in the attack, but when u put a "fake" winger, u literally sacrificing creativity for defensive ability (and the funny thing is
we're still conceding left & right every matches)

not surprising one bit to me. Loyal player(s) are like a diamond in a rough nowadays.

but still, out of all those people, i don't mind Pogba tbh, but Dani Alves? The one whose responsible for the breakdown in CL final...

loyalty is precious indeed

i think it is not 100% due to loyalty that players want to leave juve. i think attacking players in particular do not really like playing at juve. At juve, the focus is always on defense., Defensive tactics, defensive drills, whole team needs to be solid. Attackers are secondary and attacking tactics not priority. as long as you are able to score a goal or two and the defense can hold out a 0 concede everything will be fine. such approach wins you titles, defensive players will be happy but can never win us a one off cup game or retain super star attackers. thats my view

u made a point

and yeah, highly agree. Juve focused too much on defensive mentality that it limits the freedom of some players, esp the offensive type

Previously we have one jersey no 10 player for more than 10 years but now perhaps we have 10 jersey no 10 player for 10 years period. I guess give that no 10 number will not secure that player to play with us forever.

it's really dark period of italy, there's not much talent emerges. even juve could not have stable team with the new generation of players born after 1990s. unless suddenly player like bernadeschi become regular and bang in goals for fun, we would not have no 10 more than 1-2 years.

the 10s whom stayed with us for a rather long time were mainly players from the olden days (omar sivor, platini, boniperti etc). Del piero is from the modern times but i reckon he will be the last of our loyal number 10. unless we play like a barcelona or a real madrid attacking, there is a higher chance of a number 3 or 4 staying longer than our number 10. Number 10 are mainly attacking players, playing at juve is abit weird as we are not an attackin team. we do not give our number 10 alot of attacking freedom or surround him with other top attacking players. we like to surround our number 10 with grinta and grinders like mandzu or a cuard or a conte or a deschamps. In addition, our number 10s are usually coveted by real and barca or those rich bpl clubs. As we do not have the money to retain them they might also move due to money as well. So there are a few factors. i do not attribute 100% on players got no loyalty and 100% greedy

but like you said. it could be some time before we see another Del Piero 10 in terms of loyalty or we might never see one again

This post has been edited by Jusstatic: Nov 22 2017, 07:38 PM

agreed.

1 point against Barca last night, was a 1 point GAINED, rather than a 2 points LOST

that's show how poor we're at the moment

i'm confident Barca will beat Sporting in Camp Nou, or draw atleast, bcoz at the rate we're going now i'm not sure if we can beat Olympiakos in Greece...

to me vs barca was not so bad, just mediacore, probably both are playing safe. it's good to see that max dare to switch 3-5-2 when attacking and 4-4-1-1 when defending.

standout performer was benatia. flop was khedira. I'm not sure why max pick him up for 1st eleven.

I'm still positive Juve can beat Olympiakos, unless there is heavy snow there etc.

anyway looking forward for the upcoming crucial matches - Napoli, Inter, Olympiacos, Roma, it will be interesting December. Hopefully the players can rise up to expectations

idk about anyone else, but to me, Barca looks like giving Juve some "favor". Well, we can argue that they're going to play the in-form Valencia in the weekend, but
a Messi-less lineup, and Barca not going for the kill either (we know how troubled Juve were this season when opponent start to attacks us). Looks like both team
content with a draw and a point each and try to qualified together

well, i'm ashamed to admit it but we really need one more favor from em, by beating Sporting in Nou Camp...but still, at the same time hopefully we'll beat
Olympiakos in Pireus. Its hard, but its not impossible, coz i know on any given day Juve are capable to beat any team, let alone Olympiakos

Been quite bummed out after our recent performances, especially the loss to Sampdoria.

Next week is a cruncher against Napoli; we NEED to win that match for a morale boost and to gain some ground.

Firs though is a tricky one against Crotone this weekend.

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Back 3 is the way forward with 3-4-3, the formation against Barca worked well as it was an even macth, so against Cratone should the same as preparation for Napoli.