Thought i'd be leaving this thread but i guess not

Well there u go, 1st criticism/problem by yourself
Even lelong.com has no solution for that

This post has been edited by KilJim: Oct 16 2006, 02:02 AM

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:29 AM

This a techforum, nobody actually charges anything or should charge anything for trade, the main objective of this forum still stands, although yes the tech discussion these days is purely comprised of shitty drivel, no thanks to baskets like me egging it on, i say again, it still stands.

Lemme put in point form

- Malaysians are shallow morons, we want something for nothing or less than what it's worth, that's why there are still suckers out there. If i opened an account selling my CFX3200 board for 400 bucks, i probably could get away with 800 before getting caught, and a new prepaid goes for only like 30 bucks?

- Who the butt in God's name is going to sort out all those IC's. Mind you the moderators want to keep as much responsibility out of their hands as possible, what you're proposing means more work. They don't get paid mind you.

- Why should LYN be responsible for details, and why should i give my details as a trader in the first place? I only give details when needed, the rest is confidential, if a buyer wants my IC photostatted, i'll tell him to f*** off and find another seller. End point is, up to the buyer and seller to come to an agreement. I can't cure stupidity man, so i can't do anything about dumbasses agreeing to dumb terms.

- We already have the safetrader tag so the verified member tag is pretty moot because the ST is based on trust, wherelse your VM tag is just based on "Possibly" correct information. Secondly to people like me who prize our privacy, your suggestion of asking people to buy from VM is pretty much bullshit. I've contributed enough to this place, made friends here, wrote reams of FAQs and sold tons of stuff. So you're saying a 1 post wonder VM is better than me? Just because i like my privacy?

Let the buyer make an educated choice.

Point is, your idea wont work.

Back to my suggestions,

Record, Learn and Promulgate. A 3 step solution to the issue, not a total solution, but a better one based on Wiki.

Records of scams should be kept, reports made and conclusions drawn by the majority of forumers here who have sufficient knowledge about the issues at hand.

Learning how scammers operate to a fine degree should be made a priority, their tactics and modus operandi should be made clear and simple and distilled.

Promulgation of the data above is paramount. Putting mandatory links in every newtopic in Tradezone, and warnings before replying to any topics in tradezone can reduce occurances of scam. Yes, most don't bother to read, but it goes to show that reading can save you money, a mentality we should instill.

It's just like graphic pictures of flaccid penises on packs of ciggies, it gives men the shivers without depriving them of their legal right to smoke. Cheaper, Certainly Easier to Implement and if done with enough support, effective.

hehe. don't need to feel wan, it's fact. so many people can see it.

and here's the content of your deleted post too. despite being delete, you still had to post the above. not me who deleted, cos i only got to LYN like after midnight.

but no worries. as you can see from my post i cincai wan. i'm more strict when it comes to big siggies and spam.

ok - who's going to do the coding work? you do understand that it's not easy to do requirement, analysis, design, code, integration, testing and implementation.

my concern is the feasibilty issue. consider the # of trading going on over LYN and the amount of con case or unhappy case, i'd say the bad deals are VERY minimal.

if it was a major problem, then yes perhaps one can consider it but right now i see there's actually more work to implement the idea - in short : most cost than benefit.

yes, no doubt you could always say implement it now before it goes bad.

i like the idea of more guidelines. even when i was driving just now, i was thinking over some of the suggestions by Infinity as i like the ideas. not as standards, but a guideline.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Oct 16 2006, 02:37 AM

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This post has been edited by digilife: Oct 17 2006, 12:29 AM

ST tag is only for a reference,
it's sorta telling the other party that "this fella once a trusthworthy person", and he/she sell/buy alot stuffs and got supported by other forumer(s). It's no gurantee that ppl w/ ST tag won't con your money. as lowyat.net rules said "AT YOUR OWN RISK", u want cheap stuffs? then bear the risk.

and bear in mind that, contributing isn't as easy as someone said wanna contribute. Lowyat.net is a community, it's understandable it only allowed friends, ppl they knew to work out the forum, to avoid the risk that the forum being hijacked or harm. They will not simply invite anyone to moderation/development team because 'they WILLING to contribute'. It's cruel but that's the fact.

Alright fair enough, who doesnt need time?
But since u countered my suggestion with that problem, i'll wait till u find a solution for that before taking you seriously

A topic similar to this have been discussed over and over again but still, things happen.

Seller - I sell something, I state the item description, age, warranty (or PW), condition, delivery method and additional T&C.

Buyer - I look at seller's item, think about the condition, should I take the risk? Should I buy? Can I comply with the additional T&C? Delivery method suits me?

Seller sells stuff. Their responsibility ends when the item leave their hand or when PW end.

Buyer buys stuff. Their worries end when the item reach their hand in working condition.

Buyer doesn't like the item. Too bad. Have to accept it.

Buyer found out the item is faulty within PW or T&C set by seller. Contact seller, hopefully seller take responsibility.

Buyer found out item is faulty after PW or due to negligence. SWALLOW IT.

The END of buy sell story.

Buyer have choices, they can choose to buy or not to buy. Seller have choices too, they can choose to sell or not to sell. If both agreed to a deal, then the contract is binded as above.

If fraud happen, there's nobody else to blame except YOURSELF.

This is a forum for **** sake not a trading zone and LYN name is smelly coz of this small trading section in the forum

Not the issue, i value my privacy, thus i don't give my particulars to anyone, my address i give people most of the time is the address of a house my parents rent out to some people. Why? Because i like doing it that way. Don't like my style? Don't buy from me, it's as simple as that.

A deal thus takes 2 people to agree upon, not 1. If the buyer doesn't trust me, he can request a COD, that's fine. If i'm too lazy to COD, go find lah some other person to buy from. Yup, stuff is that simple sometimes.

The ST tag isn't and will never be a guarantee of safety, but NEITHER is a verified tag. And in my view STs being more active in the community and known by many has more to lose. Let me reitterate that it won't mean, you wont get scammed, but lowers the possibility of it due to the fact that an ST has actively traded and participated in the community. VS status doesn't prove anything because ICs can be actively altered and false documents given. It's fine if you can get someone to eyeball traders, but if you want to do it for everyone who comes through here, you better have serious moolah. Caveat Emptor, Let the Buyer Beware.

And on the newbie getting slashed because he didn't read. To me it's a simple realization of the idiom "A fool and his money are soon parted", and most scammers in the end are just 1 post wonders, promising the sun, moon and sky, easy to spot if you use your brain a little.

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This post has been edited by badawi_rocks: Oct 16 2006, 04:52 PM

Firstly, it was me who deleted your post, digilife. Don't like it? Don't flame.

Secondly, I will say this once and for all - No collecting of ICs. So whatever suggetsions you have, please be sure to forget that.

The ratio of safe traders being caught up in scandals is almost nil so I don't see why we have to break that. We won't be abolishing the Safe Trader system anytime soon, in fact, we have been very stringent on the requirements of late.

Other than that, I have no idea what you're talking about, if you cared to put forth your points in logical sequence with proper typing and paragraphing, it would make it a lot easier and pleasing for the admins (who have plenty of other work to do) to read and consider.

I've repeated this over and over again. So many suggestions are drastic and require plenty of work (be it coding or supervision). Ask yourself if its really worth it. Are there *that* many cons at LYN to warrant this? How many threads are there in dispute resolution that are conjobs rather than misunderstandings or petty FFK issues? If you ask me, its making a mountain of a molehill.