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post Mar 23 2015, 06:56 PM, updated 9y ago

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Hi. Did a search for crafting thread. There is one but last reply was 2 years ago and no longer active. I hope its allright to start a fresh thread. Just want to contribute to the crafting community. If no, then the taikos here please just let me know.

Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn has a unique crafting system that we seldom see in majority MMO titles we played before. Some of us started off with a random crafter class, with just a simple crafting window with durability and quality number. We never tot what started out as a simple craft, can lead to other more exciting crafting items and mechanism that we can use or sell in the market board. With every patch there are more and more 2, 3 and 4 star items being added. New glamour, new armor, new weapon, accessory, furnitures and so forth. And the recipe will be more complicated when Heavensward is released.

Im not good in writing good opening, but hope can see some positive discussion btw the discipline of hand on the current patch, DOH tips that you want to share, how RNGesus destroy or make you rich (lol..), market experience that you have encountered, or your personal experience in crafting in FF ARR. It would be great to have a place to chit chat those market board and economy experience and give new breath to the crafting world in FF ARR.

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post Mar 23 2015, 06:59 PM

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post Mar 23 2015, 07:01 PM

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Any active crafters out there? Regardless of 2 or 4 star. Maybe to get the ball rolling, you can share a little details of your crafting experience, regardless of entry crafter or end game crafter. Or how long have you been in the crafting side of ARR. Im seeing more and more new crafters name in MB in my world lately. DOH seems to be popular thing for new players. Market board is like stock market everyday.

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post Mar 23 2015, 08:11 PM

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I'm new to amorer is there any good advice?
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post Mar 23 2015, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(hideokojima @ Mar 23 2015, 08:11 PM)
I'm new to amorer is there any good advice?
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get armorer to lvl 50 first...infact get all doh to lvl 50 before you focus on higher lvl recipe

here a few tips
never be stingy to spend money on better gear since crafting always give more gil

never underestimate the income of culinary and alchemist (as long more than half material you can farm)

to get artisan gear(ilvl70), use culinary since it easiest and cheapest to craft (spicy tomato relish)

use macro.....and name it.....and make sure you remember what that macro for (i make a few mistake)

Ixal daily, remember which item need turn in then craft the hell out of it (especially heavy steel jig need to catch gigant clamp.....people lazy to craft you know)

never sell too much, someone 100% will undercut even you put price same as other player

pls lvl your gsm desyn to save gil and make more gil (dol/doh ilvl 55 got very stable price: 50k~60k since the end of 2.3 and master demi is good side income)

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post Mar 23 2015, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(hideokojima @ Mar 23 2015, 08:11 PM)
I'm new to amorer is there any good advice?
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Heres some random 2 gil for armorer. Anyone else have other please do help to add..

Leveling 1 - 50
Do those ingot items that u can buy mats and spam under quick synthesis. Ranging from Iron ingot, steel ingot, etc till cobalt ingot. Lvl 1 - 30 you can try spam quick synthesis for afk lvling. Assuming u already have the cash to buy those relatively cheap mats. Lvl 30 onwards u can try spam leve for quick exp boost. Lvl 30 leve is on costa de sol, lvl 35 is in coerthas highland South, and lvl 40 in coerthas highland, west. Getting to lvl 50 shouldn't be much issue. And you are probably a new lvl 50 armorer already.

Note: Most armorer crafting materials are related to blacksmith. Example 3 star armorer recipe uses wolf ingot (crafted by blacksmith) or 4 star armor recipes using woots ingot (crafted by Blacksmith). So if you want to focus on armorer to craft armors and gears, BSM is the secondary class you should consider.

Once you reach lvl 50, your next goal will be on upgrading your crafter gears and open your door to master crafting. I am not sure what is your current progression on armorer. But if you just reach lvl 50, focusing on getting the gears first (head, body, gloves, belt, legs, feet, offhand etc etc). Either you want to do i55 crafter gears or get straight the i70 artisan gears. Your goal is to reach a minimum 451 craftmanship and 407 control to enter the 4 star crafting arena. All this depends on your gil on hand budget or if you have friends/fc ready to support you etc. Supra and Lucis main hand is something you need to consider, if you plan to focus on a DOH class in the long run..Let me know if you want me to detail out the route to get lucis.

Engaging market board - Armorer
Armorer main source of gil income is as the class says, making armors. atm 2 star armor (i70) are really not in demand as its easier to skip those lvl in our current patch. There is relatively low demand now for i90 wolfframe armors (depends of world), but still a good demand for woots armor. Depending on your curremt DOH gears (minimum 451 craftsmanship and 407 control for 4*) If you have the gears and tools, go straight to 4 star and work on the i110 woots armor now. Armorer opens your door to crafting armors mostly for Dragoon, tanker class. Tank armor usually sells faster (depends on world) I do not have my ps4 to check the name list now, but in general tank helm, chest, gloves, feet etc sells pretty fast in my world. The cost for allagan woot and woots ore should be cheap to buy and convert to finish goods to be sold in MB.
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rclxms.gif good thread
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post Mar 23 2015, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(shojikun @ Mar 23 2015, 08:45 PM)
rclxms.gif good thread
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Thanks Shojikun.. I remember I pm you a year ago on how to start FF ARR. How time flies, one year already. lol. I believe you are in Masamune legacy world since the beginning right? Too bad we are in different world. But am glad we are able to discuss here even though there is a world barrier.

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post Mar 24 2015, 10:47 AM

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Finally manage to get all my crafter to 50 and equip them with i70 artisan gear, melded rings, haven't meld bracelet, chocker and earring though. Only CUL have artisan main-hand, haven't get the artisan main-hand for the rest.

For anyone leveling crafter I would suggest that you level all of them at the same pace, due to the cross class skills you will need to make crafting so much easier at higher level.

I did mostly GC turn-ins and Ixal dailies to level my crafting, so it did take quite a while to level them up. It can be speed up by doing Leve turn-ins, there are guide on reddit for it but it's quite costly unless you craft those HQ turn-ins yourself.

When leveling crafters always be prepare to spend gil, quite a lot of it too lol.

Now working on getting demimateria books, and the other master recipe books, leveling desynth. It's seriously harder than end-game raid lol
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post Mar 24 2015, 10:53 AM

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I have all crafts at 4 star level. Feel free to ask me questions on progression after 2 star tier.
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post Mar 24 2015, 11:08 AM

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Which master recipe books and master demimateria books are worth getting?

Currently I have the master book 1 for CUL, master demimateria for GSM
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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 11:08 AM)
Which master recipe books and master demimateria books are worth getting?

Currently I have the master book 1 for CUL, master demimateria for GSM
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For masterbook tier 1, atm not much worth probably since no demand for i90 gear. You will still need to get all of them if you want to progress to tier ii.

If you plan to craft 3 star items, it's prudent to start with ALC due to the dependency on Terminus Putty for a lot of the 3 star and demimateria recipes. After that get whatever you like better.

Im not sure how Tonberry prices are right now, but unlocking all tier 1 masterbooks would cost around 300 to 400k on Masamune for the raw mats.

Master demimateria is actually kinda very niche and only worth getting if you want to make the primal weapons or the augmented armor. If you have GSM desynth at 70+ then just keep desynthing cheap i30-i49 accessories for the demimateria to unlock the books if market price is too high.
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QUOTE(kurogane @ Mar 24 2015, 11:27 AM)
For masterbook tier 1,  atm not much worth probably since no demand for i90 gear. You will still need to get all of them if you want to progress to tier ii.

If you plan to craft 3 star items, it's prudent to start with ALC due to the dependency on Terminus Putty for a lot of the 3 star and demimateria recipes. After that get whatever you like better.

Im not sure how Tonberry prices are right now, but unlocking all tier 1 masterbooks would cost around  300 to 400k on Masamune for the raw mats.

Master demimateria is actually kinda very niche and only worth getting if you want to make the primal weapons or the augmented armor. If you have GSM desynth at 70+ then just keep desynthing cheap i30-i49 accessories for the demimateria to unlock the books if market price is too high.
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Hmm haven't really check the prices for all the raw mats but I think it's not to expensive, I did bought some gold ore to make rose gold nugget to craft accessories

Yeah that's what I notice on the demimateria book, it's mostly primal weapon, GSM one have accessories for crafting so I got that first, but the other doesn't seems as useful. My GSM desynth is at around 69 I think, desynth bunch of accessories for fieldcraft demi I, got like 70+ now haha, now gonna need some battle demi.
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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 11:37 AM)
Hmm haven't really check the prices for all the raw mats but I think it's not to expensive, I did bought some gold ore to make rose gold nugget to craft accessories

Yeah that's what I notice on the demimateria book, it's mostly primal weapon, GSM one have accessories for crafting so I got that first, but the other doesn't seems as useful. My GSM desynth is at around 69 I think, desynth bunch of accessories for fieldcraft demi I, got like 70+ now haha, now gonna need some battle demi.
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This reminded me that LTW also has the new i55 DoL gear so you can get that first and sell the DoL gear to recoup some cost. But check the margins first. On Masamune the cost to make and MB price is the same.... orz
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Hmm ok thanks will check that. Yeah I am actually looking for stuff I can craft and sell and since I am still leveling gatherers I have to buy most of the mats from MB. Need to make sure I can at least make some profit.

It's the same on Tonberry for certain things, the margin is pretty low, so I have to check carefully if not might end up losing gil instead.
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Haha true. Margin has been a concern since patch 2.5. Undercuting is nothing new to the crafter's world. But it has gone so intense lately that ppl are undercutting to below COGS. Example It cost 600k to make something. After all the undercut it sells for 680k. Minus 5% tax that's 646k only. Lot of work to prepare the premats for crafting those 4 star like Artisan Apron, Ebony bow, Platinum accessory just to earn 30-50k (situation depends on world) I believe its safe to say that market board is like a PVP arena everyday in all server.

The grind for ehcati sealant... that same turn in quest over and over again everyday.. I rather just drop the profit margin and buy straight from daily sellers. Assuming you don't have the spare time to run the 6 Ehcati quest everyday. Damn ehcati, lol.
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Hmm maybe crafting HQ stuff for leve turn-ins would have better profit haha

It seems like those high level craft are profitable when they are new, after a while it get less profitable.
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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 24 2015, 01:08 PM)
Haha true. Margin has been a concern since patch 2.5. Undercuting is nothing new to the crafter's world. But it has gone so intense lately that ppl are undercutting to below COGS. Example It cost 600k to make something. After all the undercut it sells for 680k. Minus 5% tax that's 646k only. Lot of work to prepare the premats for crafting those 4 star like Artisan Apron, Ebony bow, Platinum accessory just to earn 30-50k (situation depends on world) I believe its safe to say that market board is like a PVP arena everyday in all server.

The grind for ehcati sealant... that same turn in quest over and over again everyday.. I rather just drop the profit margin and buy straight from daily sellers. Assuming you don't have the spare time to run the 6 Ehcati quest everyday. Damn ehcati, lol.
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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 01:49 PM)
Hmm maybe crafting HQ stuff for leve turn-ins would have better profit haha

It seems like those high level craft are profitable when they are new, after a while it get less profitable.
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I'm still doing ixal dailies because the oakknots can be used as a store of value for the 2-star and 3-star crafting mats. Sealant market is kinda gg now so dont even bother entering really.

4 star market is pretty dead now since its been 6months since it came out and most ppl are i130. You just get ppl who randomly buy for glamour.

Not impossible to find gil but its definitely hard with the current situation of the game. I suppose levelling gear(10 to 50) can sell well, I did randomly make garnet stuff and it sold out in 2 days.
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Yeah crafting always kinda go dead at end of patch cycle lol, ah well I just wanted to level them all and get gears, got a few more months before expansion so should be able to gear them all up.

I do Ixal dailies also and keeping all the oakknots that I get, use to exchange for sealants and sell but the market tank, it's less than half the price it use to sell now.

Yeah still can make gil maybe not as big and quick as before, just need to research and see what sell quick with good margins.
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Haha. Guess we are encountering the same crafter situation. Its been 6 months since 2.5 is release, and another 3 months till heavensward is launched. At the moment artisan forager, i110 armor/weapon, acc, even down to furnitures's profit are not so attractive anymore. Worst when RNGesus fails you with 8 failed hasty touch, and all your ehcati or Battelcraft Demimateria becomes a NQ item.

I did most of the DOH except culinary. IDK, just not my calling. lol. Maybe time to tutup kedai and go open a restaurant selling raid food... Looking at the trend many ppl trying to tackle end game raid more nowadays. Maybe can capitalize on that trend.

Anyway, did you guys realize in Heavensward, all DOH class get their own crafter gears? This means artisan's lifespan is only till end of 2.51 perhaps. I predict the demand for artisan/forager will drop further as we come closer to Heavensward. This will also affect the ehcati's market. What do you think?

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