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kurogane
post Mar 24 2015, 10:53 AM

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I have all crafts at 4 star level. Feel free to ask me questions on progression after 2 star tier.
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post Mar 24 2015, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 11:08 AM)
Which master recipe books and master demimateria books are worth getting?

Currently I have the master book 1 for CUL, master demimateria for GSM
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For masterbook tier 1, atm not much worth probably since no demand for i90 gear. You will still need to get all of them if you want to progress to tier ii.

If you plan to craft 3 star items, it's prudent to start with ALC due to the dependency on Terminus Putty for a lot of the 3 star and demimateria recipes. After that get whatever you like better.

Im not sure how Tonberry prices are right now, but unlocking all tier 1 masterbooks would cost around 300 to 400k on Masamune for the raw mats.

Master demimateria is actually kinda very niche and only worth getting if you want to make the primal weapons or the augmented armor. If you have GSM desynth at 70+ then just keep desynthing cheap i30-i49 accessories for the demimateria to unlock the books if market price is too high.
kurogane
post Mar 24 2015, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 11:37 AM)
Hmm haven't really check the prices for all the raw mats but I think it's not to expensive, I did bought some gold ore to make rose gold nugget to craft accessories

Yeah that's what I notice on the demimateria book, it's mostly primal weapon, GSM one have accessories for crafting so I got that first, but the other doesn't seems as useful. My GSM desynth is at around 69 I think, desynth bunch of accessories for fieldcraft demi I, got like 70+ now haha, now gonna need some battle demi.
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This reminded me that LTW also has the new i55 DoL gear so you can get that first and sell the DoL gear to recoup some cost. But check the margins first. On Masamune the cost to make and MB price is the same.... orz
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post Mar 24 2015, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 24 2015, 01:08 PM)
Haha true. Margin has been a concern since patch 2.5. Undercuting is nothing new to the crafter's world. But it has gone so intense lately that ppl are undercutting to below COGS. Example It cost 600k to make something. After all the undercut it sells for 680k. Minus 5% tax that's 646k only. Lot of work to prepare the premats for crafting those 4 star like Artisan Apron, Ebony bow, Platinum accessory just to earn 30-50k (situation depends on world) I believe its safe to say that market board is like a PVP arena everyday in all server.

The grind for ehcati sealant... that same turn in quest over and over again everyday.. I rather just drop the profit margin and buy straight from daily sellers. Assuming you don't have the spare time to run the 6 Ehcati quest everyday. Damn ehcati, lol.
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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 24 2015, 01:49 PM)
Hmm maybe crafting HQ stuff for leve turn-ins would have better profit haha

It seems like those high level craft are profitable when they are new, after a while it get less profitable.
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I'm still doing ixal dailies because the oakknots can be used as a store of value for the 2-star and 3-star crafting mats. Sealant market is kinda gg now so dont even bother entering really.

4 star market is pretty dead now since its been 6months since it came out and most ppl are i130. You just get ppl who randomly buy for glamour.

Not impossible to find gil but its definitely hard with the current situation of the game. I suppose levelling gear(10 to 50) can sell well, I did randomly make garnet stuff and it sold out in 2 days.
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post Mar 24 2015, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 24 2015, 06:05 PM)
Can already see some active crafters here who are willing to share ideas and dilemma what to craft nowadays. lol. Nasib baik ARR tarak GST... Already so low margin. If not existing 5% + 6%.... how to survive sweat.gif
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Are you kidding me.... ARR always had permanent 5% GST since launch.
kurogane
post Mar 24 2015, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 24 2015, 07:09 PM)
Just a joke brah. Although maybe the right way of saying it should be

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Anyway lets not go there further. Got lots of angry mobs on this issue lately. lol

Tips for new crafter when buying DOH materials in MB: When buying from market board, check the city of the retainer. If you buy the item in the same city state, you wont get 5% tax. Only the seller. Example if the item seller's retainer is in Limsa, port to Limsa and buy it from there. This is crucial especially if you want to buy a crafting material which is 100k-200k ea in bulk to craft something etc.
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Should remember, anything sold by retainer has 5% tax regardless of city or buyer. Thats the Eorzea GST biggrin.gif
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post Mar 24 2015, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 24 2015, 05:19 PM)
Maybe a good time to go sapu all the cheap mats like cashmere, sauron, scheelite, raziqsand or petrified log. During launch it was like 150k each. now 20g, 18g for petrified log and 800 for cashmere..  doh.gif

Gamble. who know one day suddenly cashmere naik demand naik harge sell 80k. If cannot... then 800g x 100 = 80k gil use go make cashmere cloth donate to orphans in ARR.
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If the mat price is that cheap go and see if you can flip the crafted mat for a good profit. Never underestimate the laziness of people.
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post Mar 25 2015, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(valho @ Mar 25 2015, 02:47 PM)
Thanks, yeah I use it as a guide as I know players will always says their is better, so it's best to understand how it work and use it as a guideline. I will check it out after work.

I will try to meld my off-hand, I been slacking on the meld after I melded both my rings haha.
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Don't bother melding militia offhand, you'll cry later because the Artisan offhand is a massive upgrade.

Highly suggest to get Artisan offhand (no need meld) if you can afford, your gears are quite decent enough already.

For Masterbook 1, those are pretty easy to make now. You can just use the 338 CP macro with some HQ mats and it should be fine.

Aim for Artisan main hands after you get the masterbooks.
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post Mar 25 2015, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 25 2015, 07:37 PM)
Basically the general advice is to just move to current end game artisan if possible. But if gil is a constrain (often for those who just started doh), use what you have and slowly unlock the crafter recipe. Depends on server, some crafting material has drop down to 4k per craftsmanship III material. Skip if can, if not just make use of whatever is available onhand, and get the funding for end game artisan.

The launch of artisan has allow new crafter to skip through many tier of grind. Some can even create a second alternate character and boost lvl 1 to 50 then straight to 4 star in 1 day. But all these depends on how many kaching $$ you have in your pocket. Do it at your prefer pace Valho  biggrin.gif
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Yup, but still don't bother melding on a militia gear... the artisan offhand is a must, might as well save ur gil and spend on the artisan instead.
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post Mar 25 2015, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 25 2015, 11:20 PM)
Can bang on blacksmith masterbook if you wanna craft your own artisan off hand. Blacksmith can craft most artisan offhand in game followed by carpenter. Used to be a money making class during 2.5 release.  laugh.gif

Out of curiosity, how many gils did you guys manage to farm from DOH?  blush.gif
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That's one way too. Just make sure to have artisan main hand at least to craft the offhand.

As for my total gil amount... i only started serious crafting in 2.4. Estimate about 30mil-ish earned.
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post Mar 26 2015, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 26 2015, 12:08 AM)
Nice. Enough to buy yourself a large house already Kurogane. Can enjoy your own garden own bed room  biggrin.gif

Cant remember when I started. Maybe 2.3. When started the time poor as hell. Want buy crystal also no money. lol.  Have to sell own body gear and any unused weapon to npc just to fund that lvling 1-50.  sweat.gif No one on my fc was crafting also last time. We are bunch of poor buggers. lol
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Ehh Mansions are impractical. I spent 7mil buying a cottage in The Goblet that has MB right in front of it. Much more worth since it's practically a teleport to Market Board.

My FC has two 4-star crafters, me and another officer luckily. Now just saving up for 3.0 airship stuff. Don't want to go thru the 70mil fund raising treasure hunt marathon I did for my FC back in 2.1 to buy a mansion again.
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post Mar 26 2015, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 26 2015, 12:48 AM)
Lucky you got kaki crafter.  biggrin.gif

My side here solo crafter in a small fc. Some of the fellow crafter I tried to train all gave up coz of the grind.  sweat.gif Guess DOH really needs a lot of patience and some economy insight.
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I only did it because the two hardcore crafters quit before 2.4. I was just doing for fun before that.

Well, it's pretty fun after 3-star level, just the grind is pretty painful if you're not dedicated enough.
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post Mar 30 2015, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Poodlepaddly @ Mar 28 2015, 01:08 PM)
Note: No idea what to craft nowadays. Hope to see some input.  laugh.gif
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I'm selling fish right now.... somehow ppl r buying a lot on Masamune.

 

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