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post Mar 15 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 15 2015, 10:46 PM)
Full protection of Relikt heavy ERA system for T-90 series MBT

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post Mar 15 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 15 2015, 10:51 PM)
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Donno if it's true, but I heard Relikt and the newly developed Kaktus heavy ERA systems are actually semi-auto reactive armor. The ERA explosive charge detonation sequence is slaved to a radar system that detects incoming projectiles. So instead of the ERA explosive charge exploding at the moment a HEAT or armor piercing charge hits it, the Relikt system detonates the ERA explosive charge a fraction of second before the projectile actually hits the armor, nearly doubling the effectiveness of the ERA explosive charge.

Also, the explosive charge inside a Relikt ERA block is not a single bloch of explosives, rather, it is actually a collection of small shaped charges that concentrated the explosive charge to enable it to destroy an attacking DU kinetic energy penetrator.

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post Mar 15 2015, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 15 2015, 11:02 PM)
Donno if it's true, but I heard Relikt and the newly developed Kaktus heavy ERA systems are actually semi-auto reactive armor. The ERA explosive charge detonation sequence is slaved to a radar system that detects incoming projectiles. So instead of the ERA explosive charge exploding at the moment a HEAT or armor piercing charge hits it, the Relikt system detonates the ERA explosive charge a fraction of second before the projectile actually hits the armor, nearly doubling the effectiveness of the ERA explosive charge.

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tanks have radar now? dayummm sweat.gif
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post Mar 15 2015, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 15 2015, 11:02 PM)
Donno if it's true, but I heard Relikt and the newly developed Kaktus heavy ERA systems are actually semi-auto reactive armor. The ERA explosive charge detonation sequence is slaved to a radar system that detects incoming projectiles. So instead of the ERA explosive charge exploding at the moment a HEAT or armor piercing charge hits it, the Relikt system detonates the ERA explosive charge a fraction of second before the projectile actually hits the armor, nearly doubling the effectiveness of the ERA explosive charge.

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I cant find back where i saw the Kontakt-5 cut out diagram but what it is is basically and ERA within an ERA, there a special arrangement how the ERA is it inside. I suspect relikt and kaktus ERA will based on similar concept

Hemm turning it into active protection? Would be interesting to see it couple with improved ARENA system under tank protection
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post Mar 15 2015, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 15 2015, 11:06 PM)
tanks have radar now? dayummm  sweat.gif
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What era have you been living,bro?
Nowadays some tanks have active hard-kill protection systems like Arena and Rafael, it all depends on radars. laugh.gif

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post Mar 15 2015, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Mar 15 2015, 11:06 PM)
tanks have radar now? dayummm  sweat.gif
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1970s sudah ada vbro..

one of the earlies example is Drozd active protection system which used projectile approach radar
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post Mar 15 2015, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 15 2015, 11:11 PM)
Hemm turning it into active protection? Would be interesting to see it couple with improved ARENA system under tank protection
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That's why. I read somewhere a while back that the Relikt ERA blocks are actually command-detonated by a computer via a radar system, that it is not a reactive system, but now I can't find the article anymore. doh.gif

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post Mar 15 2015, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 15 2015, 11:24 PM)
That's why. I read somewhere a while back that the Relikt ERA blocks are actually command-detonated by a computer via a radar system, that it is not a reactive system, but now I can't find the article anymore.  doh.gif
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should be layered defence

1st) Arena

2nd) Era

3rd) Tanks amour
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post Mar 15 2015, 11:33 PM

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Russian documentary on Arena hard-kill APS



It's in Russian, but wat the feck, we're here to see explosions!
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post Mar 15 2015, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 15 2015, 11:33 PM)
Russian documentary on Arena hard-kill APS



It's in Russian, but wat the feck, we're here to see explosions!
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So that means whoever human are nearby they will be affected by the active protection? I was expecting some machine gun shooting at it ala Phalanx CIWS doh.gif

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post Mar 16 2015, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 15 2015, 11:59 PM)
So that means whoever human are nearby they will be affected by the active protection? I was expecting some machine gun shooting at it ala Phalanx CIWS doh.gif
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Normal ERA also will have this explosive effect on surrounding infantry, so whatever system in use it doesn't look so good for infantry. laugh.gif

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post Mar 16 2015, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 16 2015, 12:04 AM)
Normal ERA also will have this explosive effect on surrounding infantry, so whatever system in use it doesn't look so good for infantry. laugh.gif
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And if i disable the radar array the active protection will be as good as useless?
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 16 2015, 12:16 AM)
And if i disable the radar array the active protection will be as good as useless?
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Most likely, but in any case the APS system will probably be backed up with ERA or composite add-on armor. Even if the system doesn't work anymore the inactive APS explosives themselves can function as an ERA explosive block. It is still an explosive charge.
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post Mar 16 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Mar 16 2015, 12:21 AM)
Depends on what active protection system it is
Some aps like the russian devil eyes can detect enemy atgm laser painting them and flood the direction the laser is coming from with some sort of light wave to confuse the laser seeker
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That one passive defense system. Shtora IR jammer to be exact. Not an APS. Although the best part is the system will automatically aim the turret at the area where the laser is detected, giving immediate response capability.

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post Mar 16 2015, 06:00 AM

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EC725 performs medevac

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"Tentera Darat" aka PUTD, was told the camo is on trial phase from stride

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post Mar 16 2015, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(minizian @ Mar 16 2015, 12:16 AM)
And if i disable the radar array the active protection will be as good as useless?
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Radar activated mean's the ERA exploded before the round hit the tiles, which mean's when the round hit the tiles, it's already moving outward. When the radar is malfunction, then the ERA will act like a normal ERA tiles. It'll exploded when got hit. But this is less effective than the first method since the force of the round impacting the tiles will absord much of the ERA explosive power.


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post Mar 16 2015, 10:41 AM

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Any info whether Malaysia has any tube-launched ATGMs that go with Pendekar's 125mm gun?
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post Mar 16 2015, 10:42 AM

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