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waja2000
post Apr 19 2015, 08:44 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Apr 19 2015, 01:02 AM)
This MBT has way too much high-tech gear to simply sell to the kind of countries that are used to basic lower-tier,rough and tumble tanks like the T-72. The technical learning curve would be quite steep, I imagine. Countries with good technical knowhow like Pakistan probably could handle this issue, but I don't see countries like Kenya or Nigeria having the necessary tech to deploy and maintain a fleet of these effectively.

Also, it might be cheaper than some tanks, but it's hardly T-72 kind of cheap. Some sources say it will nominally cost about $4.5-5 Million USD per unit. Even later versions of T-72s usually cost something like $1.5-2 Million USD only.
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just simply to said Noricco design MBT3000 to leading T-90S MBT,
MBT2000 still a bit Relatively poor to T-90 MBT.
The price also competition with T-90
basically MBT3000 vs T-90 in international market.
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post Apr 19 2015, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 19 2015, 02:16 AM)
I've been reading about the smart s mk2 radar for the sgpv, i noticed it mention the radar is suitable for essm but i remember last time in this thread someone mention that the radar only suitable for essm and mica but not for aster.

can someone explain why aster not suitable for smart s mk2 radar?
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Search radar (smart s) is not the problem, but guidance radar aka fire control radar. In this case we use TMX/EO MK 2/TMEO Mk2 electro-optical tracking system as guidance system. Unlike other system, ESSM use illumination to hit target and it never been paired (since TMX/EO MK 2/TMEO Mk2 is a new product).

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thpace
post Apr 19 2015, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 19 2015, 02:16 AM)
I've been reading about the smart s mk2 radar for the sgpv, i noticed it mention the radar is suitable for essm but i remember last time in this thread someone mention that the radar only suitable for essm and mica but not for aster.

can someone explain why aster not suitable for smart s mk2 radar?
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Smart s mk2 is a search radar and not a muti-mode like herakles radar which can do both search n fire control

To counter this, we installed a seperate fire control radar TMX/EO MK 2. Althought it very precise but it capability basically limit it engagement range to 80km at best. Thus, vl mica fit tat space.

Iimm we also can install aster system if we install sylver vls A60 and change our fire control radar

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post Apr 19 2015, 10:41 AM

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Afghan Army MRAP Sent Flying After IED Strike - 2015



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post Apr 19 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Apr 19 2015, 02:59 AM)
Aster system needed paams/saams compliant system environment to work and they only work with sampson/empar/herakles/kronos radar and a compatible combat management system

The aster needs a whole package to work with, not just the radar itself though the smart-s is not compatible with such system
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Apr 19 2015, 09:35 AM)
Search radar (smart s) is not the problem, but guidance radar aka fire control radar. In this case we use TMX/EO MK 2/TMEO Mk2 electro-optical tracking system as guidance system. Unlike other system, ESSM use illumination to hit target and it never been paired (since TMX/EO MK 2/TMEO Mk2 is a new product).
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QUOTE(thpace @ Apr 19 2015, 10:00 AM)
Smart s mk2 is a search radar  and not a muti-mode like herakles radar which can do both search n fire control

To counter this, we installed a seperate fire control radar TMX/EO MK 2. Althought it very precise but it capability basically limit it engagement range to 80km at best. Thus, vl mica fit tat space.

Iimm we also can install aster system if we install  sylver vls A60 and change our fire control radar
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oh ok thanks guys!
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post Apr 19 2015, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 19 2015, 02:19 PM)
oh ok thanks guys!
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Just wait and see which version of slyver vls will be installed

If a50, then there hope for the future upgrade. If not... biasa lah
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post Apr 19 2015, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Apr 19 2015, 02:25 PM)
Just wait and see which version of slyver vls will be installed 

If a50, then there hope for the future upgrade. If not... biasa  lah
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Not to worry too much.
can use buffer space to add in a50 vls.

On other stuff.
Camm-er should be a good upgrade to replace our rapier.
though I would prefer we get eurosam or s500 I doubt we have the $$ money for it.
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mediagallery/f...-1424430346.pdf

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post Apr 19 2015, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 19 2015, 02:48 PM)
Not to worry too much.
can use buffer space to add in a50 vls.

On other stuff.
Camm-er should be a good upgrade to replace our rapier.
though I would prefer we get eurosam or s500 I doubt we have the $$ money for it.
http://www.mbda-systems.com/mediagallery/f...-1424430346.pdf
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is camm too late to be in contention for our sgpv?
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post Apr 19 2015, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 19 2015, 03:20 PM)
is camm too late to be in contention for our sgpv?
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By 2018 the seawolf missile in the lekiu-class gonna be discontinued by the mbda, so..
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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Apr 19 2015, 03:20 PM)
is camm too late to be in contention for our sgpv?
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Dunno but if camm won it will be the biggest surprise of all deals.
mica for now look comfortable.
I hope we go for camm too as quad pack for each cell would give us 64missiles.

anyway with jernas/rapier products going to be eol soon.
I do hope we go for camm-er as replacement.
the same for seawolf missile.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Apr 19 2015, 03:26 PM)
By 2018 the seawolf missile in the lekiu-class gonna be discontinued by the mbda, so..
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I believe rapier also not too far as well.
exocet also wont last long with perseus missile development going on.
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post Apr 19 2015, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Apr 19 2015, 10:00 AM)
Smart s mk2 is a search radar  and not a muti-mode like herakles radar which can do both search n fire control

To counter this, we installed a seperate fire control radar TMX/EO MK 2. Althought it very precise but it capability basically limit it engagement range to 80km at best. Thus, vl mica fit tat space.

Iimm we also can install aster system if we install  sylver vls A60 and change our fire control radar
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QUOTE(thpace @ Apr 19 2015, 02:25 PM)
Just wait and see which version of slyver vls will be installed 

If a50, then there hope for the future upgrade. If not... biasa  lah
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that TMX/EO MK 2 also fit 50km ESSM, if change fire control radar, more easy change to herakles radar right?
at the end i think mostly A35 Sylver will be install, if lucky possible A43. A50 baiscally no hope. if they think A50 by logic from very early they will select herakles radar. but with sylver A43 still can install CAMM-ER.
if use MICA than dont think too much on future upgrade, it will be 20 year later time, by that time not sure what weapon already. (maybe already using LASER)
anyway, RMN still not put Air defense for ship as priority it mainly as ASW frigate, as they think get any SAM is ok already.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 19 2015, 03:34 PM)
that TMX/EO MK 2 also fit 50km ESSM, if change fire control radar, more eazy change to  herakles radar right?
at the end i think mostly A35 Sylver will be install, if lucky possible A43. A50 baiscally no hope. if they think A50 by logic from very early they will select herakles radar. but with sylver A43 still can install CAMM-ER.
anyway, RMN still not put Air defense for ship as priority it mainly as ASW frigate, as they think get any SAM is ok already.
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Camm-er no longer quad pack.
Camm is more likely if were chosen.
Lots of intergration work is required.
camm-er is more to land based system.
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post Apr 19 2015, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 19 2015, 03:44 PM)
Camm-er no longer quad pack.
Camm is more likely if were chosen.
Lots of intergration work is required.
camm-er is more to land based system.
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yeah, camm-er take time for marine version
anyway get camm already ok, still better than MICA in range and quantity.
if CAMM is Gov got money to get many unit?

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still hope 10 year later we can buy 2-3 AAW frigate.

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 19 2015, 04:00 PM)
yeah,  camm-er take time for marine version
anyway get camm already ok, still better than MICA in range and quantity.
if CAMM is Gov got money to get many unit?
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Most likely in several batch.
I dun think there will be problem for us to get large amount of its.
Given the r-27, r-77, r-73 in the inventory.
it wont surprise me if we get large amount of camm if we go for it.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Apr 19 2015, 04:01 PM)
still hope 10 year later we can buy 2-3 AAW frigate.
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That have to wait for the gowind class fully deliver.
tgpv will start after sgpv fully commission into service.
Probably we will be seeing type 26.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 19 2015, 04:05 PM)
Most likely in several batch.
I dun think there will be problem for us to get large amount of its.
Given the r-27, r-77, r-73  in the inventory.
it wont surprise me if we get large amount of camm if we go for it.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 19 2015, 04:08 PM)
That have to wait for the gowind class fully deliver.
tgpv will start after sgpv fully commission into service.
Probably we will be seeing type 26.
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let pray for it.
now left Torpedo model not confirm for Gowind.
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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Apr 19 2015, 03:26 PM)
By 2018 the seawolf missile in the lekiu-class gonna be discontinued by the mbda, so..
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just sell discontinue, but already bought in ship still can use.
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US bases in Asia-Pacific to counter China: China Youth Daily

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The Wall Street Journal commented that the US may see its military presence in Australia as being of greater value than in Japan, South Korea or Guam because Australia's further distance would allow easier evasion from China's guided missiles.

The UK-based IHS Jane's Defence Weekly also reported that the US intends to station four four littoral combat ship (LCS) in Singapore by 2018, citing a high-ranking US Navy official as expressly stating that the main purpose of stationing the newest LCS in Singapore is to counter China.


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