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post Apr 10 2015, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Zdi-Tyen @ Apr 10 2015, 10:56 PM)
190Mb/s is still better  tongue.gif

anyway, How about the cabling? Can use cable that is provided with the hdd enclosures?
How about power source? They use from usb also eh?(cause i read ssd need external power source or maybe this is a tottally different thing?)

Thanks!
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i just use the common hdd enclosure, with the bundled cable that comes with it. there is no need for power source.

maybe there are better enclosures for ssd i don't know lol
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post Apr 10 2015, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Zdi-Tyen @ Apr 10 2015, 11:12 PM)
Ok! this helps alot .
Ty!
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you're welcome smile.gif
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post Apr 11 2015, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(swgiant @ Apr 11 2015, 04:17 AM)
currently iam using Intel 520 120g ssd, want to upgrade to a bigger capacity, like 500gb. So what is your opinion between Samsung 850 evo & 850 pro ? Speed wise, evo almost par with pro but pro is much more expensive! How about the reliability issue? Since evo is using TLC which infamous for its speed drops bug.
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between the two, i suggest you go for 850 pro. with that kind of money it's best to go for at least mlc nand chip. based on reviews/user comments on the internet, correction about the samsung evo speed drop thing: it only happens to 840 evo.

generally speaking, they're reliable. however for new drives, it's hard to tell the actual reliability part of the drive, because there are no prior records supporting this.

a word of caution: DO NOT USE SAMSUNG MAGICIAN TO UPDATE SSD FIRMWARE! or rather, if there is a firmware iso files for you to create bootable dvd/usb, use that instead.

about that recent incident of 850 pro 'death' (actually it's reversible with a firmware that is available in the wild), it was caused by the convenience of samsung magician's firmware auto update feature. if you used the conventional way (bootable usb/dvd) to do the update, everything is fine. for now that new firmware was taken down after the incident.

with all that cleared, now what's your usage? if it's for common usage or gaming only, i think you should go for mainstream drives instead. normally you don't feel significant differences between mainstream and performance sata ssds. (the differences are there, but you might need more than common usage to feel it)
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post Apr 11 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Apr 11 2015, 12:02 PM)
why not Intel 750? laugh.gif

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nice right? biggrin.gif i wish we have such ports built-in and compatible hdd bays (look at that size of the 2.5" version) in our laptops lol!

if you have a desktop computer, imo it's good to have that biggrin.gif



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post Apr 11 2015, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Apr 11 2015, 08:19 PM)
Welll, it gonna it in the bandwidth for your GPU, so I hope you don't mind it at first, LOL...
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the better system is x99. for z97 you need to be a bit picky on mobo. i will switch mobo later to use this and keep my sli lol
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post Apr 11 2015, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(Human10 @ Apr 11 2015, 11:11 PM)
Yup, I always find X99 is much superior to Z97.

Even the crippled 5820k also have 28 PCIE 3.0 lanes, easily 12 more than the best Z97 can offer, LOL...
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yeah smile.gif x99 is actually better because of more pcie lanes. for z97 it's kind of painful because you need to check out their pcie lane distribution.

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post Apr 12 2015, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(nemesis94 @ Apr 12 2015, 12:36 AM)
Is there any reason for me to choose a Samsung 840 EVO/Pro SSD rather than a Lite-on S900 which is priced 1/2 than the former? After googling for abit, I noticed that people listed the Samsung SSD as one of the best performing SSD out there while I can't really find much review on the S900. I'm thinking of buying a 256gb SSD and while price isn't really an issue, I'll probably go for the S900 if they perform pretty much the same as the Samsung. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.  smile.gif
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yes, there are some reasons that you need to consider. samsung 840 evo is still suffering from slow read bugs for old data, and samsung 840 pro is expensive (if you can still find one. the latest model is 850 pro, which is also expensive)

if your usage is more about common usage and gaming, most likely mainstream drives like s900 is sufficient for you. the differences between mainstream and performance drives are actually very vague in these types of usage. (meaning you feel no obvious differences)
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post Apr 12 2015, 01:27 AM

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QUOTE(nemesis94 @ Apr 12 2015, 12:50 AM)
I see. So what are the circumstances that will make the Samsung perform better than the Lite-on?
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when you do more than common usage. for instance, using it for storage purposes. with 20% overprovisioning (op, based on my usage as storage. i delete and store gigabytes of accumulative data backups every week), samsung 840 pro can have pretty stable r/w speeds (around 450MB/s).

like i said, the differences might not be very obvious.

edit: TristanX is right, another one is synthetic benchmarks. normal human usually cannot do that lol!

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post Apr 15 2015, 04:31 PM

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finally. the second fix (hopefully the final one) to cure the slow read bug of old data in 840 evo by samsung is on the way.

further reads:
http://www.techspot.com/news/60362-samsung...ic-refresh.html
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Storage/Samsu...w-Finally-Fixed




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post Apr 15 2015, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 04:34 PM)
Sifu, I installed my windows on my Intel 530. So far so good.

But recently I can't search any Windows update, nor update my windows security center. Yesterday I was playing Dota 2 (installed in the same ssd) and it just suddenly hang and I power off it and now when I start up my pc. It only goes to Windows repair and end up a black screen with my mouse cursor.

Can I say if ssd causes this and can I rma it only with the ssd and receipt? I lost the box..
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er what made you think it's the issue caused by ssd, and not os- or software- or other hardware-related?

i believe you can do rma with the ssd and receipt only. (not sure because i never do rma before)
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post Apr 15 2015, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 08:31 PM)
HI it's just my suspect, I had done clean format just now. The windows seem to be not bootable (my motherboard can detect the sad though) and leave blank black after the windows logo sad.gif

If it's software I don't think I can't boot even after clean format
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blank black screen? may i know your pc's specs? which windows version is this?

so now the ssd contains only os that was not yet personalized?
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post Apr 15 2015, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 08:46 PM)
Windows 8.1 Pro student edition Bukan pirate
Intel xeon 1231 v3
Gigabyte h97n WiFi
Gigabyte 7970 gc
8gb ram
650W psu

Yup it only contain the os which I didn't ever boot into it yet..
Black screen is after the windows logo and the loading, after the windows logo is gone. My screen just left nothing.

One thing to note is about my ssd before I format. From what I see before I format, it shows 11x gb of free space where my sad capacity is only 120gb. This is totally impossible because I have my system and games inside...

Very headache now haihs
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the os installation is uefi or legacy bios mode? it sounded like uefi issue to me. can you check in the bios if the first boot order is windows boot manager or something else?

if all failed maybe you can try to use commandline diskpart to clean up all partitions and start over.
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post Apr 16 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(Lotus1109 @ Apr 15 2015, 10:54 PM)
I am not sure about the os installation but what i found from my motherboard is I ticked "uefi and legacy"
I just used diskpart to clean up and reinstalling Windows again..  Hope it works smile.gif

BTW I found out that Intel ssd has a very good aluminium finish  at the front plate. But back plate is like a lot of scratches and imperfect finish. Is it common to all ssd? I know it won't affect the performance but it looks ugly imo
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if you used diskpart, the system partitions with previous uefi settings will be removed so you should be good. normally i do diskpart clean to get rid of everything in the os drive before a fresh install, it's the least problematic (well, like none)

ah it's just cosmetic haha some of mine are scratched also. (different brands) as long as the internals are intact i am all good biggrin.gif
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post Apr 16 2015, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 16 2015, 05:19 PM)
hello guys, i'm new to this thread and interested to get my first SSD wave.gif

so i have two SSD in my sight, the Kingston HyperX Fury and Liteon 900S

i was looking at this seller's thread here: sale

it seems the price for 240GB for both of them doesn't differ much (only RM10)

which is better in your opinion sifus? i'm going to purchase one soon  notworthy.gif
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nice. it seemed the price is still pre-gst. maybe you should check with the seller first.

these two should do well in general use/gaming. i will go for liteon s900 mainly because it has faster read speed, higher iops, and its controller can handle incompressible data better, and it's MYR 10.00 cheaper hehe

i am not sure why kingston still use the old sandforce-2281 controller in hyperx fury.

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post Apr 20 2015, 12:45 AM

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this happened to crucial before, now it's here again. this time it's mx100.

http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/M...mes/td-p/158815
http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/F...100/td-p/165974

whenever a ssd is popular it tends to have more issues (maybe because they are exposed to far more variety of systems and usage)
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post Apr 21 2015, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(Mochan @ Apr 20 2015, 08:29 PM)
I'm new to SSD and first time buying one, should I go for Liteon 900s 256gb or Samsung 850 evo 250gb, 850 has many good reviews all over the net like Amazon, while 900s seems very popular here plus it's cheaperĀ  rclxub.gif
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liteon s900 has a very good price-performance ratio. for general use/gaming, it's good enough.

since 2 years ago, most sata-based ssds have reached the limit of sata bandwidth. that means almost all mainstream ssds have similar speeds. compared to samsung 850 evo, liteon s900 is considered being 'slower' on paper. however for common usage, i bet you will never feel the differences between the two. the same applies to mainstream vs. performance ssds like 840 pro within the scope of common usage.

for sata drives, i suggest you go for mainstream with higher capacity instead.

edit: liteon s900 uses mlc synchronous nand from toshiba. when you have to choose between mlc and tlc, get mlc. when you have to choose between synchronous and asynchronous nand, get synchronous. nand flash is the most expensive component in a ssd. you should get the highest physical quality nand possible with the same amount of money.

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post Apr 22 2015, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Ronin_Amin @ Apr 22 2015, 01:40 AM)
Guys, I'm planning to buy a 256 gb ssd. Which is the cheapest but still considered good?
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liteon s900 256gb. it's the only decent one that is below MYR 400.00 for 240gb range currently.

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post Apr 23 2015, 03:21 PM

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update: samsung magician 4.6 is out, but you cannot get it now for some reasons :/

Magician version 4.6 features a number of improvements over version 4.5:
- New model support : 850 EVO mSATA, 850 EVO M.2
- Advanced Performance Optimization feature for 840 EVO; New firmware is required to use Advanced Performance Optimization
- Update Magician GUI and Help file

edit: it's up biggrin.gif applied the firmware update (only for sata version, not msata version), then the advanced performance feature will appear. when you run the advanced performance feature, it's best to leave the machine alone. everything will become slow during the optimization process.

it will take some time to complete.

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post Apr 24 2015, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Apr 24 2015, 01:02 AM)
thanks bro..
damn samsung..
"We apologize for your inconvenience
Please try again within 24 hours"
btw can you upload it to other hosting?
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here is the mirror hosted by techspot. use direct download, as the external mirror is the original site from samsung.

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/5345-sam...d-magician.html

alternatively:
http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/sa...d_magician.html
https://mega.co.nz/#!iAQzESgD!Aps6u...Rt738PytbdUl7Fs

file checksums, if you're worried about people putting something else inside the zip file:
File: Samsung_Magician_Setup_v46.zip
Size: 17,295,270 bytes
CRC-32: 60367088
MD4: 7e6d851762004fb9c56b165174af2870
MD5: 9e280367506209149595e16190bd4eb9
SHA-1: 5ca33a4835717a973b2cb4640cf531841ec2d9d0

sha1sum.exe can be downloaded at ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/binary/sha1sum.exe


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post Apr 24 2015, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(air_pull91 @ Apr 24 2015, 08:34 PM)
thanks bro..
but i dunno whats the different..hahaha
btw i got 2 of samsung 840 PRO drive..
the weird thing is that the more i use the est time is longer than the one i dont really use based on SSDLife PRO v2.5.82
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to unaffected models, samsung magician 4.6 is just software version update, nothing important. to 840 evo, there is a new firmware update for sata version (not msata version), and the advanced performance tab.

wow that's really weird. i have no experience with ssdlife pro, i'm not sure what's wrong.


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