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post Apr 24 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 24 2016, 01:47 AM)
Thanks for telling ,
I wonder , currently for budget wise
Hyper X-Fury vs LiteOn (which you mention before) which one will be better for 240GB ? on performance ?
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the obvious difference between the two is that hyperx fury use sandforce sf-2281 controller that is much slower when writing incompressible data (eg. movies, pictures, music; data that have been compressed; the performance hit can be very noticeable, something like 80MB/s vs typical 300+MB/s). note that os and software programs are usually compressible, so it's good to use it as boot drive.

performance wise, a ssd with sf controller can perform as good as a liteon drive at similar performance specs as boot drive.
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post Apr 24 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(KrankZ @ Apr 24 2016, 02:03 AM)
hi sifu,
anyone experience lite-on LCS-256L9S read 400mb/s, write 70mb/s?
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interesting. what's your usage like?

to reset the ssd into fresh state, you can use diskpart > clean to clear everything on the ssd; reboot, and start from scratch (a faster way is to clone the drive, do diskpart > clean thing, then clone the drive with the backup image)

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post Apr 25 2016, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(andrewL @ Apr 24 2016, 10:06 PM)
thank you bro for the tips and advice. On a separate note, i see alot of different types of ssd like m.2, SATA 2.5". which will be the right type to use for replacing the HDD in a CPU ?
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no problem.

in general, in local market we have:
1. sata 2.5" ssd;
2. full-sized msata ssd;
3. 2280 m.2 sata and pcie ssd (if your device has a m.2 slot; check the mobo manual for the right type).

the sata 2.5" ssd is the most common one and it uses sata cable like hdd.

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post Apr 26 2016, 11:49 PM

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Intel Solid-State Drive Toolbox version 3.3.5

https://downloadmirror.intel.com/18455/eng/...0-%20v3.3.5.exe

The Intel SSD Toolbox supports firmware updates on the following Intel SSDs:
- Intel Solid-State Drive 310 Series Firmware 2CV102M3
- Intel Solid-State Drive 311 Series Firmware 2CV102M5
- Intel Solid-State Drive 320 Series Firmware 4PC10362
- Intel Solid-State Drive 330 Series Firmware 300i
- Intel Solid-State Drive 335 Series Firmware 335u
- Intel Solid-State Drive 510 Series Firmware PPG2 or PPG4 (120GB SSD)
- Intel Solid-State Drive 510 Series Firmware PWG2 or PWG4 (250GB SSD)
- Intel Solid-State Drive 520 Series Firmware 400i
- Intel Solid-State Drive 530 Series Firmware DC12
- Intel Solid-State Drive 710 Series Firmware 6PB10362
- Intel X18-M / X25-M SATA SSDs (34nm) Firmware 2CV102M3
- Intel X18-M / X25-M SATA SSDs (50nm) Firmware 8820
- Intel X25-E SATA SSDs Firmware 8850
- Intel X25-V SATA SSD Firmware 2CV102M3
- Intel Solid-State Drive DC S3500 Firmware 0355
- Intel Solid-State Drive DC S3700 Firmware 0265

What's New:

This version of the tool contains a firmware update for the Intel SSD 530 Series (to version DC32) with the following changes:
- Default Software Settings Preservation (SSP) for DIPM is changed from a default = on, to a DEFAULT = OFF. This addresses situations in older systems where the drive was not found after a warm reset causing blue screens.
- Corrects an occasional miss-reporting of SMART attribute E3h (Timed Workload Read/Write ratio).
- The drive no longer increments SMART 0Ch (Power Cycle Count) after a SECURE ERASE operation.

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post May 1 2016, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(KrankZ @ May 1 2016, 09:10 AM)
normal use just play dota 2, surf net n normal microsoft office.
i use it on my macbook pro 13".
other than reformat any method?
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er what's the os? bootcamp thing? by right mac osx should take care of trim and all. not sure.
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post May 1 2016, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ May 1 2016, 04:40 PM)
Mac OS doesn't provide TRIM for 3rd party SSD
Although you can enable it using TRIM Enabler
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uh? seriously? what are they thinking?

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post May 4 2016, 12:24 AM

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Samsung Magician Software for PC 4.9.6

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html

Magician version 4.9.6 features a number of improvements over version 4.9.5:
- Improved stability with some SSD models
- Minor bug fixes

The following Samsung SSDs are supported*.
Samsung SSD 750 EVO
Samsung SSD 950 PRO (M.2)
Samsung SSD 850 EVO (2.5”, mSATA, M.2)
Samsung SSD 850 PRO
Samsung SSD 840 EVO (2.5”, mSATA)
Samsung SSD 840 PRO
Samsung SSD 840 Series
Samsung SSD 830 Series
Samsung SSD 470 Series
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post May 5 2016, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(iamshf @ May 4 2016, 01:16 PM)
Looking for ssd for my desktop, any recommendation for normal user ? ms office, movie and online .. Or don't need ssd ?

Looking at Kingston hyper x savage 240g rm322 @lazada or  evo 850 120g rm260 @lowyay
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of the two imo kingston hyperx savage is better (more space). for today's personal computing, it's better to have ssd as boot disk.
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post May 6 2016, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ May 6 2016, 10:44 AM)
does creating ada deleting files in SSD effects SSD's life?

what if the SSD become a torrent drive?

or large files storage like projects or games etc...
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yes, of course. like everything, they all have shelf life. whether or not a ssd can live long or not ('long' here i mean more than 10 years), it's really up to you. in general the shelf life of ssd is shortened mainly with writes and deletes, not read. if you do writes and deletes frequently with it (like torrents), it will die faster (relatively speaking). if you use it as boot disk (which involves mostly reads than writes), it can live very long.

hence, it's better that you use hdd as the torrent drive instead. our internet bandwidth is puny, so hdd is never the actual bottleneck when you download stuff with torrent clients. if it's for work purposes, just treat it as a tool to speed things up. (the faster you work, the faster you can collect money) to give you an idea, i use ssd to create and use virtual machines for work. everyday i write and delete hundreds of gb data because i move them in and out of storage. it's been 3 years+, my storage ssds (oem client sata ssds only; not those expensive enterprise ssds) are still working fine, with no smart errors.

as for large file storage/games, most of the times the files are read more than written, so imo it's ok.
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post May 9 2016, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 8 2016, 04:59 PM)
Hi guys, I just finally install windows with my liteon SSD. I just wanted to confirm something. Is it normal for an SSD to have less storage than advertised?

I'm asking because when the first attempt failed, the SSD split into 2 partitions (disk 0 and disk 1). Second attempt after converting disk 0 to GPT I now left with about 238.35 GB. When I open disk management in control panel it only shows disk 0. Should I convert disk 1 to GPT as well or just leave it as is? Thanks in advance.
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if it's a 256gb ssd, yes the space for users is 238gb (roughly). some space is reserved by os for its own use.

can you show us how your disk is partitioned? (you can print screenshots of disk management) to get rid everything and start over, it's best to do 'diskpart > clean' steps.
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post May 10 2016, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 9 2016, 11:13 PM)
Hi, here is the screenshot of the SSD.

user posted image
I had to convert to GPT because if I don't it won't let me to continue to install OS in there. Currently using win 8 pro and planning to upgrade to win 10 plus the bios is UEFI supported.
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Your user partition is c: (single partition only) the first 2 are system partitions created by os.

Since your system bios is set to uefi, you need gpt disk.

QUOTE(nomar @ May 9 2016, 11:23 PM)
Hi,  planning to upgrade my dell vostro 5470 laptop hdd,  ( it came pre-configured with 500Gb HDD + 32 Gb M sata ) . Will I see major upgrade in boot up time and programs opening coz right now it took a long time for win 10 to fully boot up.

Not technically proficient but I'm assuming on the boot up sequence win 10 will go to the M sata drive first, why is it still slow ?

Looking at either Evo 850 , Sandisk extreme pro or Ultra II,  am I right in saying that Samsung , Transcend hv their own migration software but for other model you need to search 3rd party program to do it ?    thanks
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All you need to do is to replace the 32gb cache ssd with a larger msata ssd, migrate current os partition and related system partitions to it. For the hdd, it's better to clean it up with diskpart > clean to avoid complications. Do the diskpart thing before the first boot to ssd (before diskpart > clean, back up all data first)

What I'm sure of is that samsung and trascend have migration software. Not sure about sandisk or other brands. When they don't provide you with migration tool, third party cloning tools can be used for the same purpose.

Edit: the performance of ssd cache is at best slightly better than plain hdd. Plain ssd as boot disk is much better.

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post May 10 2016, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 10 2016, 12:36 AM)
I see. So actually there's nothing wrong with the SSD after all doh.gif
It was my first time encountering that GPT conversion. Had to search at youtube on how to do it.
Anyway thanks for the explanation. thumbsup.gif
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yeah there is nothing wrong smile.gif

with ransomware also targetting mbr disks, use gpt disk if possible, eg. petya can encrypt the contents in mbr disks, it can only make gpt disk unbootable, while unable to encrypt contents.
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post May 10 2016, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 10 2016, 01:18 AM)
I see, just read about this ransomware. Thanks for the heads up. smile.gif
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No problem man. Yeah although petya has possible decryptor (for now), things might get ugly if trojan creator changed algos and make variants out of the original.

QUOTE(nomar @ May 10 2016, 01:20 AM)
Thanks, guess I'm going with evo 850 though it's more than RM100 pricier than Ultra II ,  going thru benchmark number the different btw them is huge !
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i got 850 evo 250gb (m.2 sata variant for laptops) for the extra 2-year warranty period. From my experience and tests for normal use it's slightly better than transcend mts800 256gb. Also, if you have some extra ram (the machines i tested is with 16gb) you can use rapid mode to have better user experience.
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post May 11 2016, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ May 10 2016, 11:42 PM)
Hi all, i figured it would better if i ask here about SSD

Is Sandisk Plus SSD good?

240 GB or 480 GB for OS and programs?

I download a lot of torrents too.

Also, how do i install SSD with my OS HDD still inside?

like, turn off pc, attach SSD
turn on pc, Image my OS HDD... what's next?
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For most users, entry level ssd like sandisk ssd plus is ok for normal use, compared to hdd.

For torrents use hdd. Hdd speed is still many times faster than our internet speed. Not a bottleneck yet.

My steps of cloning os from hdd to ssd are:
1. Back up all data on hdd first; defrag os drive/partition;
2. Turn off pc and attach ssd;
3. Turn on pc and install migration tool on current os;
4. Use disk management tool to resize os partition to fit ssd;
5. Migrate os and relevant system partitions to ssd;
6. Turn off pc, take out hdd and boot from ssd. Adjust bios settings for boot orders if needed.

Connect hdd to pc via usb adapter and clear everything up on hdd with diskpart. This is important to avoid conflicts between os in hdd and ssd when you reattach hdd into pc. Alternatively at step 6 above, you don't take out hdd. Instead you boot the system with a bootable windows usb stick and press shift+f10 to bring up command prompt and do the diskpart > clean thing when you're in the first installation screen. This step is relatively risky if you're not familiar with diskpart, so i think it's better to just take the hdd out first.

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post May 16 2016, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(StuartLee2015 @ May 11 2016, 06:42 PM)
I read about SSD Sudden Death..

Should i worry about this?

>some people reported died after a year of usage

> caused by blackout
( my area used to don't have blackout , during El nino, almost every house turn on all their aircond and cause the power station to overload and trip causing massive blackout of my area. )
> Use UPS , i cannot afford one and the maintenance and service cost of battery, boards, etc on the long run.
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sudden death can happen to anything electronic. other than improper usage, it's kind of like luck.

ups is not for ssd only, but everything in the pc chassis. if your area is prone to random power trips, it's better to have one. (or use laptop)
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post May 17 2016, 08:32 AM

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Samsung Magician 4.9.7

http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/minis...load/tools.html

Magician version 4.9.7 features a number of improvements over version 4.9.6:
- Improved stability with some SSD models
- Update typo
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post May 17 2016, 10:13 PM

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some latest insights about ssd return rates at hardware.fr:

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/947-7/ssd.html (check out the conclusion page also)

as always, take this with a grain of salt.


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post May 19 2016, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ May 19 2016, 10:11 AM)
Time to buy a new ssd. Have not been following up on SSDs and there are so many brands. Anybody can recommend me some reliable mid-range 128gb SSD? Mid-range as in not too cheap and not to expensive.....
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for mainstream sata ssd, and this is personal preference: samsung 850 evo; if possible go for at least 240gb range for relatively better speeds.

QUOTE(flutterstick9 @ May 19 2016, 02:41 PM)
Hi guys, I've been sending my laptop for repair. And since my laptop is slower I might thinking to swap HDD with SSD. So the shop recommend me to this model.

SP SSD V55 - silicon power

Is this brand ok? might use it for general use only.

I couldnt find any review about this model. haha
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in general, entry-level/value ssd is good enough for common, casual usage. as a boot drive, it's still better than hdd.

now for the brand, it's a rare one tbh. not much information to tell if the brand is ok or not.
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post May 24 2016, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(g104 @ May 23 2016, 12:24 PM)
quite accurate based on those brands for mobo, ram, psu, gpu etc.
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yeah i think so. ssd in general fail relatively less than other components. to my surprise, this time kingston is at the top. (usually it's either intel or samsung if you checked previous articles)


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post May 25 2016, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(mcat84 @ May 24 2016, 04:13 PM)
so buy a 8gb (or 16gb) ram stick and use all as first-level cache.....super fast speed ?

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just download and try this primocache software on my old Asus i5 notebook with 6gb ram and a slow SATAII hard disk (allocate 2gb ram for cache)...

haha super fast....
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yes. the more ram you allocate as cache the better. i have bought several licenses for my work machines. for a typical i7 machine, it's about 12k sequential read/write if benchmark is your thing.

i will replace the current 64gb ram to 128gb later because of this also hehe (other than ram caching i use ramdisk too)

QUOTE(g104 @ May 24 2016, 09:52 PM)
ssd no.1 killer is heat.
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it's the obvious one. as long as the air flow is good there will be no problem smile.gif

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