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post Dec 2 2015, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 2 2015, 06:12 AM)
So is it not as good as L9s and S900? hmm.gif
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Yes, technically. To name one, the seq. write speed of s900 should be a bit higher than 400MB/s while zeta series is about 300MB/s. However, for common usage it should be fine. You should not feel the difference.
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post Dec 5 2015, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 5 2015, 07:17 AM)
The seller sells those at RM300 and 1 year warranty. Well there still time before Xmas so I can still look around. laugh.gif

tried to find this liteon cv1-cc256-11 on the net but the one that always pop up are this liteon cv1-cc256-01. the difference is between eleven and one.
judging from the spec of the latter, the seq write comes close to what you estimates at around 335 MB/s. I guess it is not bad at all
might be better than kingston v300 and definitely better than my old intel 330. laugh.gif
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not sure, because i never owned these drives before. however, i think it's fair to say that their performance are sufficient for common usage.

v300 and intel 330 uses the same sandforce sf-2281 controller. it's an old controller but it has been used in previous high performance consumer grade ssds, like intel l 520. (the details are in the firmware)


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post Dec 16 2015, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Neomax3 @ Dec 16 2015, 11:10 AM)
Anyone can advice me any Msata SSD that is value for money? Currently eyeing on Liteon Msata 128L9M 128GB
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this should be a good pick.

QUOTE(kherel77 @ Dec 16 2015, 03:30 PM)
Is it still reliable/worth to have RAID0 SSD nowadays? Or have single SSD that saturated SATA3 full speed out there?

Thinking to have 2x120GB cheapo SSD..like L9S or M6S.
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imo it really depends.

1. in terms of costs, while m.2 pcie ssds are still expensive, you can opt for much cheaper raid0 to achieve better speeds.
2. in terms of reliability, it's a give-and-take. raid0 always have risks. previously i used raid0 for os/app/game drive, and store data else where. the risks of data loss is really relative and subjective. i had zero issue.
3. in terms of performance, if a single sata ssd is more than enough, you probably can just stick to that. depending on usage, the difference might not be significant.

edit: my point is, find balance of the above based on your needs. for instance, in my case, i have removed all hdds from my gaming rig. i find the speed of sata ssds alone is damn great for me already.

on a side note: i really suggest everyone get the cheapest ssd that one can afford, at least for os and common software. recently i had a chance to configure some laptops with stock hdd. man, things that i can do in minutes or under an hour, had become hours. many long hours. although hdd is still good for light common usage, once you go beyond that, your machine is seriously bottle necked.

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post Dec 17 2015, 12:46 AM

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QUOTE(kherel77 @ Dec 16 2015, 11:31 PM)
Thanks guys for your thoughts  notworthy.gif . Lately feel like my aging OCZ Agility performance is decreasing...like going to retire soon. Too bad my mobo doesn't have M.2 slot. Yes, i'm aware bout risks of RAID0 & i've got no problem with that. But from term of price/size ratio, I'll take your advice to get decent 256GB SSD... Got any fastest model recommended?
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i still prefer to use m.2 ssd with a pcie adapter with heat sink. (read about why here)

for consumer sata ssds, my personal favorite is samsung 850 pro. it's a solid drive with 10-year warranty.

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post Dec 20 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 20 2015, 07:41 AM)
Still haven't bought that cv1-cc256-11, thinking about its 1 year only warranty.
Browsing through techview at lelong
Saw them selling Liteon MUII (RM399) and 900S (RM409) with full 3 year warranty
what is the difference between both of those?
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the main difference is the controller, maybe the nand flash chips too. the controller in mu ii should be phison controller. 900s use marvel controller. 900s is positioned as mainstream, while mu ii is entry-level.

for MYR10 difference, i think it's a no-brainer.
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post Dec 20 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 20 2015, 03:06 PM)
So 900s it is then. Cant wait for the funds to be available. Want to have a taste of that delicious speed. laugh.gif
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yes. at least to me, i call it best bang for bucks for many reasons.

however, i do hope all users to do their own research too. like any other review sites, don't just take our words for it. this is because we all have different needs, budgets, and expectations. to me, most mainstream sata ssds are good for common usage, for work, i prefer performance ssds. some others might think otherwise.
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post Dec 21 2015, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 20 2015, 04:04 PM)
I have read whatever reviews available for the 900s and other SSD and decided to get the 900s due to mostly positive feedback I read in the internet. Plus the pricing is still affordable. smile.gif
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nice haha

QUOTE(kizwan @ Dec 20 2015, 05:16 PM)
I agree. I also prefer performance too. That's why instead of single SSD, I go for two SSDs for RAID0 setup.  smile.gif I got two Plextor M5S that time because single 256GB cost more that time.

I got Kingston Hyperx Fury 120GB for my laptop. Even with SATA 2 only, SSD is a loooot faster than HDD.
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right. sata2 still can benefit from its performance of random iops.

ssds are really getting cheaper. now you can get a decent one with half a price a few years ago. (a mainstream drive, that is)
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post Dec 23 2015, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 22 2015, 06:21 PM)
Couldnt agree more.
Previously I also deadset on getting the 900s, but then there are someone claimed that Liteon and Plextor drives have high RMA rates at their shop.
Hence got another recommendation from sifu, which is HyperX Fury SSD.
After another round of researching and reading reviews, found that the 900s is still the better pick for me  laugh.gif

so right now, am using the Liteon 900s 256GB as bootdrive, never felt so fast in my life before  shocking.gif  (an HDD user all this while)
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there will be lemons in all mass-manufactured goods. it's hard to avoid this one. that's why it's important to have good warranty and rma service.

yeah hdd is still good for storage for today's computer systems, but you just can't do anything productive with it as os drive, even if you have a good cpu and more ram.

QUOTE(goedemorgen @ Dec 22 2015, 10:00 PM)
Is Crucial still a good brand for SSD? I'm thinking to get M550 120gb.
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yes crucial is a good brand. however, i suggest you go for samsung 850 evo 250gb (around MYR 450), with 5-year warranty. a typical mainstream ssd normally has 3-year warranty and will cost you about 350+. with top up of 100, you get additional 2 years of warranty with 850 evo. i think it's a good deal.
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post Dec 23 2015, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Dec 23 2015, 02:25 PM)
Hahah.... yea, thanks to your advice last time to make the jump to SSD  laugh.gif

The reason I chosen Liteon is still because of the its reputation being the parent company of Plextor, and also shame on Kingston for ruining their reputation with the V300 series that made me lose confidence in them  sweat.gif

But yea, good ole' HDD is still good for mass storage, nevertheless  biggrin.gif

Currently the setup of my  wub.gif  is liteon 900s as the bootdrive, and a WD Blue 3TB to run games/ torrent/ storage  tongue.gif
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haha glad i could help.

right the minimal but optimal setup is 1x ssd and 1x hdd. in terms of performance and disk space, the setup takes the best of both worlds.

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post Dec 26 2015, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(bonez_xy @ Dec 25 2015, 11:20 AM)
should i get samsung 750 evo or kingston hyper x fury?
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there is no samsung 750 evo.

if you meant 850 evo, imo it's a better drive (mainstream; 5-year warranty) than kingston hyperx fury (value; 3-year warranty).

however it's really subject to your personal preference.

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post Dec 27 2015, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(kasutkoyak @ Dec 26 2015, 01:40 AM)
hello there. i need help here. just buy ssd n try on my own to clone it. i clone my C: partition with easeus todo software. no issue buy when i plug in ssd alone in my laptop idoes not have boot. can u help me on how to clone it right. thanks
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cloning the os partition only will not work. you need related system partitions also. if you don't know what you're doing with easeus todo, like kizwan said, try use Macrium Reflect.

QUOTE(nuekkacak @ Dec 27 2015, 09:24 AM)
Hai friends.. I have one hdd with 2 partitions.. can I copy only os partition to my ssd?
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yes, you can. try do that with Macrium Reflect.
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post Dec 27 2015, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(kasutkoyak @ Dec 27 2015, 06:21 PM)
YA.. i understand bcos now im having prob wth boot. but how to clone 1tb hdd to 240gb ssd. help plz wth tips..... thanks
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oh my. it's not that hard to find a video tutorial like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh4uRhWwZT0 at youtube :/
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post Dec 28 2015, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Dec 28 2015, 12:59 AM)
Just bought the Liteon 900s for RM390. Such a good deal. Unfortunately don't have enough time to install windows in it.
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wow. considering weak ringgit and all, it's really a damn good deal.

QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Dec 28 2015, 01:54 AM)
I did do the Raid0 config on my system as u suggested long time ago bro...
Pairing my 2x 256GB Transcend 370s and have removed all the hdd to and docking...
and taking out 4GB from ram for ramdisk setup for all temp & scratch disk...
but the ramdisk is only run at 4k read, 6k write since it was DDR3 1866mhz...
unfortunately, i havent sent my mobo yet to repair the dead #3 & #4 ram slot...
so, sticking with 16GB single-channel atm... another 16GB is kept fine in their box...
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yeah ssd raid0 should speed up productivity in your work. however, why do you need to remove hdds? i think it's still better to have a fixed hdd for data storage. (much faster than external storage)

although it doesn't matter, your ramdisk is kind of slow. (maybe due to single-channel mode) but how come your ram is running at single-channel mode? 16gb should be 2x8gb no? i thought with a pair of ram should run at dual-channel mode. the seq. speeds of my laptop with ddr3 1600mhz is running at 9k read, 12k write:
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on a side note about single-channel, dual-channel and quad-channel modes in ram, tbh their performance is about the same in common usage. yeah benchmarks will show otherwise, but most users don't buy computers just to run benchmarks.

.. and imo it's better for you to find time to fix the mobo.


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post Dec 30 2015, 01:02 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Dec 29 2015, 08:53 PM)
you say like this must belanja sifoo horns teh tarik tau laugh.gif
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haha.. btw i have made a mistake. since there were 2 posts asking about 750 evo already, so i think i must have missed something out. apparently, there were rumors floating around about samsung 750 evo (it was said that the page for this ssd was accidentally published very briefly then taken down at samsung japan website). here is what i found out:

1. grade - value/ entry-level ssd;
2. controller - samsung mgx; the same one used in 850 evo and large-capacity 850 pro;
3. nand flash - 2d tlc (it was said to be similar to 840 evo)

if the rumor is good, then imo it's a 840 evo with a new controller.

edit: many said the price will be much cheaper. how much cheaper, not sure yet.

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post Dec 30 2015, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Dec 30 2015, 12:24 PM)
Samsung 750 EVO 120GB RM225 inclusive 6% GST
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oh so it's here now. it should be a good news for many imo. the price is competitive. what about the price of other capacities?

QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Dec 30 2015, 03:16 PM)
not all of em.. just the all 1TB hdds... there's a single 3TB in there thought... storage for all my videos and images for work...

yes, 2x8GB stick... but, like i said earlier...i had a broken slots #3 & #4 so, i'm not being able to run a dual-channel mode... tongue.gif

i had found the replacement for my old LGA1156 mobo... maybe after replace it into my rig, i'm gonna sent the mobo thought...
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oh haha

yeah now i understand why you got single-channel mode lol!

i got some ssd370s 256gb for some work thing. now do a disk-to-disk cloning with its ssd scope.
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post Dec 30 2015, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Dec 30 2015, 07:17 PM)
For at the moment got 120gb only..
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oh ok. hopefully 240gb and up will follow very soon biggrin.gif imo it's the sign of ssd price dropping next year onward.

edit: cloning done. well, i must say, the system cloning feature in transcend ssd scope is very straight forward, and the migration (w10 home single language) was painless. i connected ssd370s to the laptop via sata usb adapter. ran ssd scope, and choose system cloning, then select os partition only. i have resized the os partition to become smaller than my ssd (via disk management), so it started straight away. after the cloning was complete, shut down the computer, and just replace the stock hdd with ssd and boot. everything is good.

performance wise, it's good enough. for those who use performance drives regularly, you will definitely notice performance differences. imo, it's still good enough for common use.

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post Jan 2 2016, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 2 2016, 10:13 AM)
I am hoping 1tb ssd can get leas than 1k laugh.gif brows.gif i will grab it 4 sure
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maybe this will be true this or next year. with tlc nand, it will be available sooner or later. note that while tlc ssds are taking over and making ssd price much more affordable, mlc ssds are expected to get more expensive in near future.

for most users, it's not that important, as long as tlc chip performance is improved to become close to mlc.

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post Jan 2 2016, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 2 2016, 12:53 PM)
guys, so i kinda noticed that my motherboard (Asus Maximus VII Gene) has a M.2 slot (picture below), was wondering are there any real differences
in performance when comparing between both M.2 vs standard sata ssd? (apart from speed ofc).

If yes, i might be inclined on using that opportunity and buying a M.2 stick myself. Do you have any recommendation on the models around 120GB range?

ThanksĀ  notworthy.gif

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when you compared performance, you are comparing speed. i'm not sure what you wanna know if you took speed out of equation.

yes there are real performance difference if you get m.2 ssd which supports pcie 2.0 x4 and above. (it's like 2x sata ssd raid0) lesser than that there is only slight difference. again, this difference is subject to your usage and expectations.

although it's not necessary for common usage, it's better to use m.2 pcie ssd mounted on a pcie adapter with heat sink. for instance, samsung 950 pro has auto throttling mechanism, so when the chip is overheating, it will throttle to sata speed. so it's safe to use in m.2 form. to avoid throttling, use the adapter.

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post Jan 3 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 3 2016, 01:31 AM)
I do know a bit about the speed difference for both, just like to see whether there are additional bonus/let-downs to it.

but thank you for your explanation, basically if i were to opt the m.2 ssd, it is better to mount it to the pcie adapter to avoid throttling. gotcha

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btw, is this the adapter you were talking about?
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ok hehe imo in m.2 form, the main downside is overheating of controller.

i use bplus m2p4a currently. it's good. apparently it supports pcie 3.0 x4 also.
- http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/M2P4A.html
- taobao link: http://world.taobao.com/item/37633868328.htm

i have posted an image about bplus m2p4a previously, https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=71040951

after all this while, there might be other options. previously this was the only one with heatsink.

edit: btw, you need some thermal pads to ensure proper contacts between the ssd and heatsink. for some sata ssds, their aluminum case is actually used as heat spreader.

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post Jan 3 2016, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 3 2016, 01:09 PM)
Noted and thanks

will update again when i've got all the stuff together  rclxms.gif  flex.gif
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 3 2016, 05:42 PM)
I just realize, heatsink for SSD? sweat.gif
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yeah if you looked at most hhhl versions of m.2 pcie ssds, usually they are covered with heat sinks; there is a thermal pad between the m.2 ssd and the adapter in kingston hyperx predator also.

for common usage, many said it's ok to run in bare m.2 form. however, i just don't wanna risk it.

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