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post Jan 3 2016, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 3 2016, 07:48 PM)
at first i wanted to run it using the on the board interface since it is a snug fit on the MB cause my graphics card is a dual slot version and it kinda hides it bit but better consult some experts first.

but oh well, won't risk it, guess I'll have to sacrifice my last pcie slot and kill off the dream of running two graphics card in SLi XD
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yeah. i rather not doing that.

QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 3 2016, 07:58 PM)
there was a testing where they tested does M.2 or PCIe based SSD require any heatsink

apparently the end result goes as
1. everyday day to day read writes with transfers here and there, no throttling
2. high end synthetic benchmarking and workloads, ssd got throttled
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nope. check this: https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...-M-2-Drive-725/ (especially how fast the temperatures rise in the video)

that's just large file transfers. i do that frequently. i don't call a file transfer a synthetic benchmark, or a heavy workload?

edit: for reference, here are the links to samsung xp941 and sm951 also.

in xp941's article, you will see that with heat sink, the max temperature is about 50c+ it's much better than over 100c, placed very near to our mobos and components near-by.

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post Jan 4 2016, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 4 2016, 12:20 AM)
jeesus 98C doh.gif

on a random note, when i game, my SSD goes 52C. not sure should be concerned...
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yeah. it's not really just about samsung m.2 ssds if you watched all videos in each article. check out the user comments also. the overheating affects longevity of the drive directly.

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50c+ is fine. most manufacturers advertise that the operating temperature is good if not more than 70c. one way to reduce the max temperature is to have a good air flow in your pc case.


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post Jan 4 2016, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 4 2016, 03:48 PM)
btw...  sweat.gif

any m.2 models (120/128GB version) that you think you can recommend me that will go with the adapter?

Trying to find XP941s and SM951s in LYN, can't seem to find a seller  doh.gif
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uh? maybe i'm lucky. i just went to garage sales, click on hdds and ssds garage sales, and type sm951 in the quick search field, i found this: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3593258 (clawhammer sells a lot of good stuff imo. he's still very active here)

go for sm951, not xp941 (older, slower)

looking at the price, i think you should go for 256gb. 256gb is better anyway. (much closer to top speed that can be found in 512gb)

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post Jan 4 2016, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(MichaelJohn @ Jan 4 2016, 05:35 PM)
alright thanks

will consider
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nice smile.gif hopefully ces 2016 will bring more exciting stuff about ssd hehe


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post Jan 5 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Jan 5 2016, 01:29 AM)
dude, the one in ur previous post about the heatsink for ur ssd... was it come as it was purchase or u mod it urself?
and, what was the name of the soft-padded thingy again? i noticed there were used lots in gpu and laptop as well...
u know where to bought it in our place ehh? I mean, the soft padded thingy
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it's an adapter with heat sink. the link has its package specification. the soft-padded thing is called thermal pad, sometimes called thermal gap filler. i already told you guys everything lol except for where i got my thermal pads, because it's not available anymore from where i got it from. (fujipoly GR-m, conductivity of 6W/mK. i initially bought it for future replacement of pads on gpu vrms) however with a quick search i think you can find it else where. alternatively, iinm you can get some from lelong.my too (i think the conductivity is around 3W/mK)

as for the thickness of thermal pads, 0.5 to 1.5mm should be good. (mine is like 1.3mm)

on a side note, regarding thermal pads used in gpu, from what i have read normally a pad with conductivity of 3 to 5W/mK should be good enough. of course if you wanna have really good stuff there are top of the line pads from fujipoly, like their XR series (up to 17W/mK) but the price is kind of on the high side (very high). in the case of XR-m (with the highest conductivity), its texture is relatively hard. if i wanted to go for that series i will go for XR-e (11W/mK)

edit: just did a refresh about thermal pads and found out a good stuff from gelid (released in September last year). now you can get gelid gp-extreme (12W/mK) at performance-pcs.com (0.5mm and 1.0mm @USD 5.99) i think the price is good, compared to fujipoly's.

edit.2: it's recommended by ekwb that a small drop of thermal pastse, like mx-4 or gc-extreme, is applied to chips first. it's said that this will furher improve heat conductivity.

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post Jan 7 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(sue_cinta @ Jan 6 2016, 10:14 PM)
Thanks bro, this is informative... will look thru the link and the store u suggested... when wanna have table talk and drink? laugh.gif
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yeah i hope my tiny research can help some people. that's what we do here right? to share smile.gif

haha yeah one day we will do this biggrin.gif

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at ces 2016, some news:
1. samsung is setting up herself as trend setter again. this time, pushing ssds with high capacities. we will see 850evo and pro up to 4tb in 2016. 950pro will have 1tb.
2. marvell and silicon motion announced new and updated controllers so expect more new players coming in for their own offerings. silicon motion controller SM2246EN (sata) now support 3d mlc nand chips. marvell's 88NV1140 (released in 2014) now supports nvme 1.2, and it can use your system memory as cache. (this means the ssd itself doesn't come with own ram, thus helps reducing production costs)

read these and more at thessdreview.com.

besides ssds, there are plenty of nice stuff awaiting. swiftech h320x2 looks nice haha
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post Jan 7 2016, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 7 2016, 11:42 AM)
haven't got time to catch up all CES2016 news. sweat.gif
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yeah same here i just had quick glances at some news only; and it looks like a lot is going on now.


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post Jan 10 2016, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 9 2016, 01:15 PM)
haha  laugh.gif



AH FK forget 4K

8K is bringing the house down yo bruce.gif
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for screens, it will take some time to go 8k. currently the gpu power is not that great to drive even 4k screens at high fps. so first of all, i might wanna try the taste of 4k with at least 120hz gsync first hehe


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post Jan 11 2016, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 10 2016, 03:24 PM)
I think still good enough to play games at 24" 1080p screen at 60fps AAA Games. If 8K sweat.gif
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yes, it's not bad at all to play at 1080p/60fps. imo it's just personal preference to play with higher resolutions than 1080p. currently, it's not cheap to do this tbh. it's always ok to wait for technologies to be more mainstream.

another thing about 4/8k is the dpi scaling. ms.windows is still not good enough in this area. yeah w10 is relatively better than w8.x, but it's not great yet. (unless you can read those tiny titles, contents and all at 100%, you will definitely adjust it accordingly)

it's just like ssd. you can get a nvme pcie ssd now (fast but expensive and small-capacity), or you can stay at sata ssd (getting cheaper in price and larger in capacity in near future). for common use and gaming, sata ssd is more than good. anything beyond it is excess. also, initially, tlc chips were seen as slow option, with less endurance. but with recent technologies, enhancements have been made to reduce gaps between tlc and mlc significantly (in certain areas). tbh, it's not easy to make a tlc chip die with common usage (more reads, less writes. unless you do something beyond the scope with it)
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 11 2016, 03:53 PM)
Hahahaha. In the end, its all about poison. 4 me is so easy 2 fall prey in spending big on latest tech every year or 2. laugh.gif doh.gif
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right that poison thing is hard to get rid of haha

however, tbh, these days price tags of these gadgets and stuff are getting more and more ridiculous. it's not about gst and weak ringgits only anymore.

even if we can afford them, most of the times i don't think we can justify the price that we have to pay for them. it's better to put the money else where.
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post Jan 12 2016, 04:43 PM

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Samsung Magician Software 4.9.5

New in Version 4.9.5
- Security enhancement

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Samsung NVMe Driver Installer 1.1

The software for this "950 PRO NVMe Driver Installation" only supports the Samsung NVMe SSD 950 PRO.

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem.../downloads.html

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Crucial Storage Executive

Current Version: 3.24.082015.05
Momentum Cache version: 1.7.3.0

- The Crucial Storage Executive is compatible with Microsoft® Windows® 7 and newer versions, including Windows® 10, and supports Crucial MX-series, BX-series, M550, and M500 SSDs.
- Momentum Cache is an intelligent software driver that dynamically leverages unused system resources to enhance burst performance. This feature runs on supported drives containing a boot volume in Windows systems only. It is recommended to enable Momentum Cache on your system's boot drive. For more information on Momentum Cache, see the Enhancing Burst Performance with Momentum Cache Technical Note (TN-FD-32) available on micron.com. Before enabling or disabling this feature, save all work and shut down any running applications (in short, Crucial/Micron's very own ram-caching software for their drives)

http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/support-storage-executive



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post Jan 13 2016, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 13 2016, 03:32 PM)
hey guys, need some help here
after using ssd on laptop, I can't resist my desktop boot time, is too long
so I decided to buy a ssd for it before CNY

but just wondering, do I need to buy a sata cable in order to plug in the ssd ? or buy ssd got free 1 sata cable ?
as what I found from my motherboard, there only 1 sata cable which split into 2 and connected to both my HDD and dvd drive
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yes, you need a new sata cable if your current system doesn't have an additional cable for it. afaik there is no sata cable bundled with a ssd package.
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post Jan 13 2016, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 13 2016, 04:03 PM)
oo, so if I don't want to clone my current C drive, then I just need to purchase the sata cable ?
if want to clone then only buy both sata cable and sata to usb adapter ??

if correct is it once I buy the ssd, and sata cable (since I don't want to clone), connect the sata cable and power cable from motherboard and power supply and then can proceed to install to windows ?
but before that I need to wipe the C drive that exist on HDD rclxub.gif
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i think a sata cable is good enough. you can use it for cloning too.

yeah the installation is like what you said. make sure it's connected to intel sata port for better performance (check your mobo manual for the right port), and check the bios and make sure the sata operation is set to ahci.

i think it's good to clear the os and system partitions in the hdd first (ONLY DO THIS AFTER FULL DATA BACKUP!) this is to get rid of hidden system partitions that might be added by boot loader as one of your boot options. if you wanna keep the os on hdd as fail safe,you can take out/disconnect the hdd first, then install ssd and do the windows installation. this is to prevent windows installation to use the existing system partitions in hdd to store necessary files of your new install.
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post Jan 13 2016, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 13 2016, 10:13 PM)
by default already set AHCI biggrin.gif
as I mention at above, since my hard disk is 1TB, and I split into 2 partition, C and D
is it I just need to wipe C drive only as I install Windows on C drive, after wipe it then only proceed to install to Windows in ssd ??

looks complicated, for my laptop I straight away wipe everything as I buy the ssd after 1 week laugh.gif
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ok hehe

it's better to wipe the hdd clean. if not, i suggest you clean up c: and system partitions that are hidden too, because there is a chance that the new installation will make use of existing system partitions.
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post Jan 14 2016, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 14 2016, 03:31 AM)
well I think I just proceed to wipe the C and system partition that created by Windows when I install on HDD last time
as for D drive remain untouch tongue.gif

btw, since I going to install Windows on ssd which it become the new C drive
and my old C drive that in HDD will change to D, then the old D I need to change the letter to E or others right in order to prevent same name hmm.gif
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Yes you should do that. My point is that the system partitions might be reused by windows installer if the hdd is present when new installation takes place. This might not be what you want. By 'wiping' i don't mean just reformatting, but deleting partitions physically (and logically), leaving behind unallocated space. I normally use windows installer to do that, since you cannot remove any of them when they are in use. After that, shut down the computer, install new ssd, and boot it to do new install.

It sounds complicated but it's easy to do in practice.


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post Jan 14 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 14 2016, 10:36 AM)
I found that the China homeland brand "KingFast" SSD are dirt cheap (I look at Taobao), I wonder what chip they using.
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No need to wonder hehe you can find the specs at kingfast-ssd.com. From a quick glance it's a typical value ssd settings, ie. Silicon Motions 4-channel controller, coupled with mlc nand flash.
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post Jan 14 2016, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 14 2016, 06:05 PM)
so if I delete the C drive that exist on HDD and I want to make it as 1 partition only how to do it ?
in Disk Management can extend the volume for the D drive (example from 500gb to full HDD size) ?
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yeah just use disk management to extend the volume.
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post Jan 15 2016, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(AlexisStarZ @ Jan 15 2016, 12:03 AM)
alright thanks for the help
if got any question will ask again
going to buy ssd before CNY tongue.gif
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lol ok

ALERT: although i like plextor drives, there is a high failure rate of plextor drives being reported recently (model and capacity unknown). the actual reasons of drive failure are also unknown. if you're an owner of one, back up your data from time to time from now on.

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post Jan 15 2016, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Jan 15 2016, 11:44 AM)
Using Plextor SSD since 2014 August, I guess I'm not affected?
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not sure. i have found this 'fix': http://superuser.com/questions/887306/ssd-...ys-of-power-off

edit: mine was like since 2013. no issues so far (m5pro; m5m)

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post Jan 15 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Jan 15 2016, 01:42 PM)
hmm... does this only applies to Plextor drives? Or does it also affects Liteon drives?  hmm.gif
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not sure either. unfortunately i couldn't find anything concrete and recent that are related to the issue.

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