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post Jan 31 2016, 05:45 PM

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First attempt. Need to tweak the sizing, a bit too small, thus kinda squeeze the dart, and also the spacing between darts.

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post Jan 31 2016, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(awyongcarl @ Jan 31 2016, 01:25 AM)
I actually do have a Longshot with OMW Stage 1 & 2 kit.
It shoots very very hard but is not reliable lol. It jams and shreds darts like mad.

Seems the only way to run Longshot is to brass breech that beast. But then again I don't really like Longshot in a game as it's huge and unwieldy around the field. None of the Nerfer run longshot as well, eventhough I saw one guy with brass breech but never see him using it in the game. Maybe it shoots too hard lol.

Then one thing I realize is that, stronger spring don't always necessarily means better. I've run a 7kg spring on my Retaliator before and while it does shoot, the darts can never stay in a straight trajectory. The blaster is so strong it sends the dart curving like mad lol. With stronger spring the ammo types become important. Unless you are running Stefans, or you'll just ended up hitting nothing with a beast in hand.
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longshot is not meant for rapid fire. the way the bolt works just doesnt allow it. not really practical for any kind of nerf war, but cool for showing off power. brows.gif

stronger spring also means more wear and tear on parts. i usually put priority on making a good seal before upgrading springs. heavy springs + plus bad seal doesn't really do much anyway.

i find "hot" blasters to work better with heavier darts. like elite streamlines filled with hot glue in the tip. pretty much the same concept as the .20g or .30g BB argument in the airsoft world.

another option i've been toying with is adding some kind of fins on the darts, forcing it to spin in flight. that would allow it to self stabilized. same concept as tranquilizer darts. never had the chance to test it out, maybe someone here can give it a shot. sweat.gif
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post Jan 31 2016, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(zeroglyph @ Jan 31 2016, 11:10 PM)
longshot is not meant for rapid fire. the way the bolt works just doesnt allow it. not really practical for any kind of nerf war,  but cool for showing off power.  brows.gif

stronger spring also means more wear and tear on parts. i usually put priority on making a good seal before upgrading springs. heavy springs + plus bad seal doesn't really do much anyway.

i find "hot" blasters to work better with heavier darts. like elite streamlines filled with hot glue in the tip. pretty much the same concept as the .20g or .30g BB argument in the airsoft world.

another option i've been toying with is adding some kind of fins on the darts, forcing it to spin in flight. that would allow it to self stabilized. same concept as tranquilizer darts. never had the chance to test it out, maybe someone here can give it a shot.  sweat.gif
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Absolutely. Correct and proper sealing is more important than raw power from the spring.
When it comes to nerf, accuracy is entirely ammo type-dependent.

Nerf elite darts are inherently inaccurate due to length of the foam body/weight. For safety concern, of course. The suction cup has better accuracy because it doesn't have the hole but aerodynamically, it will have lesser range than the elite darts.

Which is why the whole Stefans thing is all about anyway lol.

So far my retaliator is performing just..Alright I guess. But due to the darts, I can say it's 90% luck if the darts do land on somebody hahaha.

Anyway, I will attempt a stock Rapidstrike on my next run, just to see if the dart fly straighter, range is prolly crap, but it's an indoor game so CQB should be fun, spray and pray.

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post Feb 1 2016, 02:03 AM

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Just for the shitz and giggles. This actually works LOL
Heat resistance foam to fill up the voids so the AA size fits in the compartment.


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post Feb 1 2016, 08:06 AM

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Morning guys, here some pics I found few days ago at TaoBao.
See how they modified (color + accessories) their nerf blaster like real thing.
But I don't think it gonna be OK if anyone want to buy n import them,
sure Customs were hold it n check. So don't even think about it.
Anyway juz a share, click spoiler have a look then.

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post Feb 1 2016, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(awyongcarl @ Jan 31 2016, 01:25 AM)
I actually do have a Longshot with OMW Stage 1 & 2 kit.
It shoots very very hard but is not reliable lol. It jams and shreds darts like mad.
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were you using Elite darts? and what's the colour of your Longshot's dart tooth?
Majority Longshots are not compatible with Elite darts, because of the darth tooth's design, the main cause of jamming.
If your dart tooth's colour is orange, you need to sand it down some

QUOTE(zeroglyph @ Jan 31 2016, 11:10 PM)
longshot is not meant for rapid fire. the way the bolt works just doesnt allow it. not really practical for any kind of nerf war,  but cool for showing off power.  brows.gif
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that's why need shotgun grip, but need powah left hand la if using strong spring

QUOTE(strikermac @ Feb 1 2016, 08:06 AM)
Morning guys, here some pics I found few days ago at TaoBao.
See how they modified (color + accessories) their nerf blaster like real thing.
But I don't think it gonna be OK if anyone want to buy n import them,
sure Customs were hold it n check. So don't even think about it.
Anyway juz a share, click spoiler have a look then.

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they do sell those barrels and stock separately you know, just importing those parts ain't an issue
there are G36C, M4, AK-47, Kriss Vector conversion kit for Stryfe

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Feb 1 2016, 03:23 PM)

they do sell those barrels and stock separately you know, just importing those parts ain't an issue
there are G36C, M4, AK-47, Kriss Vector conversion kit for Stryfe
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Ya, I know separately buy accessories is OK. I did do it before, hahaha. tongue.gif
Juz info someone that if want to buy their modified blaster like the photo I found should be impossible.
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post Feb 1 2016, 07:19 PM

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I took the advised of sanding the 'dart shoving' part of my Retaliator. Now it works much much better...almost flawless.
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Feb 1 2016, 03:23 PM)
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were you using Elite darts? and what's the colour of your Longshot's dart tooth?
Majority Longshots are not compatible with Elite darts, because of the darth tooth's design, the main cause of jamming.
If your dart tooth's colour is orange, you need to sand it down some
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really? at least mine works with all the darts i threw in it. old streamline, elite streamline, elite suction and also the counterfeit elite darts i bought from lelong. it's either they got the measurement correct on mine or i'm just not shooting it fast enough to cause a jam laugh.gif . i have the old blue LS. works with all the new clips as well(heard elite orange clip might cause issue).
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QUOTE(zeroglyph @ Feb 1 2016, 07:40 PM)
really? at least mine works with all the darts i threw in it. old streamline, elite streamline, elite suction and also the counterfeit elite darts i bought from lelong. it's either they got the measurement correct on mine or i'm just not shooting it fast enough to cause a jam  laugh.gif . i have the old blue LS. works with all the new clips as well(heard elite orange clip might cause issue).
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mine also works fine with any darts
mine is having the black dart tooth, which is the older version, same as blue Longshot
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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Feb 1 2016, 11:19 PM)
mine also works fine with any darts
mine is having the black dart tooth, which is the older version, same as blue Longshot
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so there is an orange dart tooth version? never seen that before. sweat.gif
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post Feb 2 2016, 07:59 AM

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This was interesting... haha... hmm.gif

Auto-Tracking Nerf Sentry Gun
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Dropped by TRU at Ikano today and saw this...Almost bought it lol
And then I see the price, NOPE.
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Then I bought this instead biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(awyongcarl @ Feb 3 2016, 02:04 PM)
Dropped by TRU at Ikano today and saw this...Almost bought it lol
And then I see the price, NOPE.
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Then I bought this instead biggrin.gif

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Very good decision smile.gif
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post Feb 3 2016, 06:14 PM

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New stock design

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QUOTE(sphiroth @ Feb 3 2016, 06:14 PM)
New stock design

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wow, now that's practical. but i think holding the clip vertically would be better. that way any size clip can be stored. just use the same mounting mechanism, but hold it from the sides. press fit or can add screws to secure.
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QUOTE(zeroglyph @ Feb 3 2016, 11:41 PM)
wow, now that's practical. but i think holding the clip vertically would be better. that way any size clip can be stored. just use the same mounting mechanism, but hold it from the sides. press fit or can add screws to secure.
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Maybe better i made the clip mount separately, this user can just glued it anywhere based on their preference/blaster.
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Shipment has arrived!
Slapped the worker's Pump grip and some tacticool attachments. Love this lol but it did add some substantial weight to the blaster. And unnecessarily long.
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Foldable stock is kewl, though.

Anddd the long awauted Recon Mk II!
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To my surprised, I actually got the revised batch of Mk 2 that accepts 10 rounds banana and 18 rounds etc mags.

The greatest improvement of the Mk 2 over the Retaliator is definitely the tapered breech.
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The Mk2 is a great improvement over the Retaliator. It primes extremely smooth, priming the 5kg OMW spring on the Mk 2 is as light and smooth as priming a stock spring Retaliator! I am guessing the tapered breech has contributed to that, and perhaps a better designed shell/internals.

And then I tried to do the same on my Retaliator OMW Breech. And it works too, priming are much smoother, and it doesn't damage the tail of the dart anymore!
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Some are curious, how does the V-shape tapering prevents damage to the dart and provide a smoother priming.
I'll explain briefly in the next post.
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Does this look familiar to you?
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This should be a common sight for the Retaliator users. This is due to the design flaw of the breech in the Retaliator.
The breech of Retaliator, in theory, it should work perfectly fine, as in, everything works as intended when they are designing the blaster. Darts must be Elite Dart and in perfect condition, the clip/mag spring is in the perfect load/pressure pusing the darts against the breech's opening.

But in reality, it is far from that. We have variety of darts around and in different kind of condition, fresh or worn etc. And due to that, the breech will almost always damage the darts below, and sometimes causing shredding of the darts, and jamming up the blaster, ie the prime slide just refuse to go to the forward position even though you tried forcing it forward. This is the main cause.

Have a look at this, this is the original stock condition OMW breech, please take a good look at the breech's mouth (circled).
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Now I'm not entirely sure if you can see it, but it should be pretty obvious. The "mouth" or the opening of the breech where it meets the dart in the mag, is clearly in contact with the dart below. Just imagine what happens when you push the slide forward under this situation. Yep. You get the dart tail damage as shown above. This is the primary cause why your retaliator doesn't prime smoothly and jam up, worse case, shredding the dart.

So, with the new designed breech found in the Recon Mk2 as shown in above post, this V shape tapering help to prevent the issue mentioned above from happening, it now glides over the dart below instead of pushing against it.

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So now there you have it, the Recon Mk2 is definitely not just a simple reshell of the Retaliator but with actual improvement. Though you can do exactly the same for the Retaliator's breech and it would be almost as good too! Like what I did to my OMW breech with a Dremel.

Hope this information has been helpful!

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