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sijun
post May 15 2024, 04:30 PM

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Anyone knows whats the side setback for MBPJ corner house?
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QUOTE(sijun @ May 15 2024, 04:30 PM)
Anyone knows whats the side setback for MBPJ corner house?
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Last checked in 2022, corner lot side setback 10' to half building / 20' to other half at ground floor, 20' at first floor /14' for balcony.
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post Jul 3 2024, 09:49 AM

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So I applied mbsj permit and renovated accordingly.

Get cidb contractor to sign G form.

After that get back Draughtsman /architect to check and endorse.

What is my next step?
What kind of document would I receive, and how to validate it?
Any website?

Thanks
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post Jul 3 2024, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(wiwi @ Jul 3 2024, 09:49 AM)
So I applied mbsj permit and renovated accordingly.

Get cidb contractor to sign G form.

After that get back Draughtsman /architect to check and endorse.

What is my next step?
What kind of document would I receive, and how to validate it?
Any website?

Thanks
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Next step is to wait for your draughtman/psp to finish up all the online submission inside OSC 3plus online

send hardcopy to the following Jabatan

1)Jabatan OSC (one stop centre)
2)Jabatan Bangunan
3) Jabatan Penilaian dan Pengurusan Harta

on owner's part when MBSJ or other council officer will come for inspection and everything is comply,
PBT /Majlis or Council will issue out surat pematuhan / surat siap kerja to the consultant

important is the Borang F . Get the borang F from your PSP /Consultant
Borang F (perakuan siap dan pematuhan) Certificate Of Completion & Compliance

hope this help

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post Jul 3 2024, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(wiwi @ Jul 3 2024, 09:49 AM)
So I applied mbsj permit and renovated accordingly.

Get cidb contractor to sign G form.

After that get back Draughtsman /architect to check and endorse.

What is my next step?
What kind of document would I receive, and how to validate it?
Any website?

Thanks
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something like this.. need to wait for them to issue out confirmation

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post Jul 3 2024, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(ArchId @ Jul 3 2024, 01:07 PM)
something like this.. need to wait for them to issue out confirmation

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Thanks for your reply.

As the home owner, do I have access to this OSC 3 PLUS to double check whether the application was submitted?

Is it an important or a compulsory criteria for the submission to be inside OSC 3 PLUS?

Thanks.
(sorry for the noob question as an outsider to renovation processes)

This post has been edited by wiwi: Jul 3 2024, 03:05 PM
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post Jul 3 2024, 08:21 PM

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[quote=wiwi,Jul 3 2024, 03:00 PM]
Thanks for your reply.

As the home owner, do I have access to this OSC 3 PLUS to double check whether the application was submitted?

Is it an important or a compulsory criteria for the submission to be inside OSC 3 PLUS?

Thanks.
(sorry for the noob question as an outsider to renovation processes)
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MBSJ a bit different ya.
There, single house renovation application is normally under kaunterxpress. Those with addition of floor which >50% area is under OSC 3 Plus.
Only PSP has access to these systems.
You don't need to access them, as your appointed PSP should inform you step by step till CCC or deposit refund.

This post has been edited by Phyarc: Jul 3 2024, 08:41 PM
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post Jul 28 2024, 03:58 PM

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Hi, I'm in MBSJ area, seller did two extensions, first one long time ago was ground floor all the way to back (got permit), but more recently did a 5 foot extension in front without permit.

Now as the new buyer I wish to extend the first floor all the way to the back as well, and add 5 foot extension in front for first floor. I believe need to pay a saman at MBSJ and submit plans? Is there any benefit or potential problem for me to ask seller to self report and pay saman first?
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Jul 28 2024, 03:58 PM)
Hi, I'm in MBSJ area, seller did two extensions, first one long time ago was ground floor all the way to back (got permit), but more recently did a 5 foot extension in front without permit.

Now as the new buyer I wish to extend the first floor all the way to the back as well, and add 5 foot extension in front for first floor. I believe need to pay a saman at MBSJ and submit plans? Is there any benefit or potential problem for me to ask seller to self report and pay saman first?
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Of course it gives more benefit to new house owner since the house is properly endorse by the council and consultants - engineer and architect ..issuance of CCC if the house renovated is according to their setback and guidelines.. you don’t need to deal with Mbsj and consultants and the penalty first … that would save you few thousand RM already…let the existing owner resolve this before doing transfer tittle to your name .

Residential owners will be charged a compound under the Roads, Drains & Buildings Act 1974 (Act 133) under Section 70 (11) with a new compound rate amounting to RM 12,500.00 for buildings that comply with the Building Plan Guidelines, MBSJ.

OR

Notice Action to Vacate and Demolish Buildings 30 days under Section 72(6) of Act 133


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post Aug 7 2024, 05:39 PM

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Dear all,

I recently purchased a subsale intermediate terrace house in KL where the previous owner did extension without DBKL permit.

Does anyone have any idea what documentation or process is required by DBKL to legalize the old renovation? as I also intend to do some minor renovation which I will apply under permit kerja kecil, however it requires CCC/CF which I don't have.

Any advise would be appreciated.
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QUOTE(epsilonphi @ Aug 7 2024, 05:39 PM)
Dear all,

I recently purchased a subsale intermediate terrace house in KL where the previous owner did extension without DBKL permit.

Does anyone have any idea what documentation or process is required by DBKL to legalize the old renovation? as I also intend to do some minor renovation which I will apply under permit kerja kecil, however it requires CCC/CF which I don't have.

Any advise would be appreciated.
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Engage a PSP to check if it complied and to prepare plans/submit for DBKL approval. Documents required are generally geran, S&P, IC, resit cukai pintu, photos. There will be fine imposed on the illegal renovation.

For CCC/CF, ask neighbour (same row or development) as usually it is same or do search ar DBKL.

This post has been edited by Phyarc: Aug 7 2024, 06:34 PM
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do i need permit to put awning all the way to the autogate? will mbsj/usj area reject ?
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QUOTE(tititilly @ Sep 14 2024, 10:40 AM)
do i need permit to put awning all the way to the autogate? will mbsj/usj area reject ?
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10 feet from gate only.
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Hi all. I am based in KL and thinking to renovate by relocating the car porch pillar towards the edge of the wall. Is this consider "kerja-kerja kecil" or "besar".

If "besar", any idea how much would be the charges? (E.g. hire architect for drawing, dbkl charges...etc)

Thanks in advance for your help & advice.

Answered. Thx.

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QUOTE(yeefung @ Oct 14 2024, 10:20 PM)
Hi all. I am based in KL and thinking to renovate by relocating the car porch pillar towards the edge of the wall. Is this consider "kerja-kerja kecil" or "besar".

If "besar", any idea how much would be the charges? (E.g. hire architect for drawing, dbkl charges...etc)

Thanks in advance for your help & advice.

Answered. Thx.
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Not to discourage you but it will involve a lot of work and money for sure.
Relocating a column (or layman term porch pillar) can be similar as demolishing the the part directly and also demolishing the parts its supporting.
Then you need to construct a new column and new beam(s), a new foundation.
If money is not a problem, then surely it can be done biggrin.gif .





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QUOTE(haikalraihan @ Feb 5 2015, 02:26 PM)
How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes architecture endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

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Hi May I know if there is any updated information on the process and setbacks?
Was informed recently the setback for "b) Back - can extend to end boundary" has changed and no longer allowed to all the way to the end boundary for 2nd Floor rooms.

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Hi, anybody have the list of architect for DBKL so I can engage them to draw and submit my house plan ?
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QUOTE(SSblack @ Jan 16 2025, 01:14 AM)
Hi,  anybody have the list of architect for DBKL so I can engage them to draw and submit my house plan ?
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I believe there is a website.
https://mbpjsmartdev.pjsmartcity.gov.my/decis/public/home
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Would like to know what is the norm in engaging architect for design. Set my expectation right.
I am experiencing challenges in finding any for design ideas for my renovation.
The ones i spoke to are reserving any input until payment is confirmed.
How would I know if they are good if I dont get some ideas?
Not asking for any drawing plan or sketch, at least some verbal suggestions.
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QUOTE(dudester @ Jan 16 2025, 10:07 AM)
Would like to know what is the norm in engaging architect for design. Set my expectation right.
I am experiencing challenges in finding any for design ideas for my renovation.
The ones i spoke to are reserving any input until payment is confirmed.
How would I know if they are good if I dont get some ideas?
Not asking for any drawing plan or sketch, at least some verbal suggestions.
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This is quite subjective actually. Some architects will show you some work portfolios for their works instead of just talking about ideas. Depends on their character. Some architect looks Lansi and have some egos but always come up with good ideas. Some architects might not be interested in doing design so they prefer you to tell them what you want instead. I personally ( Yes I am an architect too) will throw in some ideas during meet-ups or site visits, give some hand sketches and show the client some previous works but I will not do free work ie drafting the layout etc until the engagement is confirmed. Despite that in my past experience some ideas was given but eventually, we were not successfully engaged but after sometime you see something was built exactly like what you have discussed previously. Well this is life huh....If the project is interesting, sometimes I will charge lower fees to get the project. But architect also need to makan so we cannot have too many lower fees projects.

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