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cs2000
post Aug 19 2016, 11:06 AM

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hi haikalraihan.
would like your advise on a home renovation project I'm about start. I have 5ft extra space at the back with a 3ft wall with grill. I'm. planning to break that wall and pull it for 10ft with grill and polycarbonate at the top. behind this wall there is 10ft space which is like cement flooring. after that there is another wall at the back which is the land at the back because it's on higher ground. also I'm planning to close up my double volume ceiling in the middle of the house cause it doesn't serve much purpose for an intermediate lot.
I have to deal with mbsa. please advice if I would need the permit or just buy the buku panduan will do?
also for the roro bins is it I should use mbsa or use third party ones which is way cheaper.
Thanks for the advice.
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post Aug 31 2016, 11:22 AM

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My ID guy proposing to build a brick wall under a beam in a shoplot i rented.

1) is it legal to use build a wall utilising a ceiling beam?
2) do we need an approval with mbpj (pj area)?
3) how long does it usually take to get approval from mbpj?

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post Sep 16 2016, 11:46 AM

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Dear all,

Please help -- i have a semi-d in PJ. We are about to extend the back to add an utility room, but the management office have said we need to apply planning permission from MBPJ.

Attached is an image of the backyard. After extension, the space between the wall and the backyard fence (shared fence with our back neighbour) will be 3ft.

My contractor doesnt know how to do apply permission from MBPJ.

Does anyone have recommendations on someone who can do the drawings and submissions with MBPJ asap?

thanks a lot.

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post Sep 19 2016, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(Plas28 @ Sep 16 2016, 11:46 AM)
Dear all,

Please help -- i have a semi-d in PJ. We are about to extend the back to add an utility room, but the management office have said we need to apply planning permission from MBPJ.

Attached is an image of the backyard. After extension, the space between the wall and the backyard fence (shared fence with our back neighbour) will be 3ft.

My contractor doesnt know how to do apply permission from MBPJ.

Does anyone have recommendations on someone who can do the drawings and submissions with MBPJ asap?

thanks a lot.

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I'm actually planning to extend my backyard also but what is the allowable minimum space required between the back wall and the back fence for a Semi-D?
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post Sep 19 2016, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(solame @ Aug 17 2016, 02:39 PM)
I have a question for extension of front parts of a double storey intermediate link house (20'x70'). Under MBSA jurisdiction. Hope to get advise.

My immediate neighbour started their reno last Saturday. The contractor told us what he is "order-to-do":

A. Ground Floor
Extend front door/living hall area
The new column together with the new wall/door will be 10' from gate.

B. 1st floor
Extend Master bed room.
Yes, the new floor plan will have 2 "medium size" bedrooms instead of one big bedroom.. This also means that, the rooms are above the newly extended GF living hall/main door area.

I am very concernn because this consider major reno works. And it involves "my column" (our sharing column).
The contractor says he will not "touch" the existing column but to add new one to support the additional loads of the new structures. Not doing "machine piling". Will manually tie the new column next to the existing one.

Question 1: The new column will stand alone?? How is its support? I think new one needs to be tied to the old one, yes? Hence, sure will affect my house structure, yes?

Question 2: The contractor mentioned he is pending MBSA's approval. I doubt if he has submitted the proposed new floor plan, this reno will still get an approval.
I have briefly browsed through the MBSA's extension guide lines. Found that:
a. New wall to gate must be at least 20' distance
b. new column to gate needs at least 10' distance
c. 1st flr can be extended as balcony purpose only, not ROOMs.

Their reno plan actually not following the rules!
Am I correct?

Question 3: Let's say, they submitted a "follow-the-guidelines" plan and got their permit for reno, but in the facts, they are doing a "not-follow-rules" reno, what can i do now? What will MBSA do?

Question 4: If the final renoworks are the "not-follow-rules" version, how do i make sure "my column" is still safe/not weakened? Can i request my neighbour to give me a architect's dwg?

I could be selfish by causing hickcups in neighbour's reno process. But this is affecting me, my family and my home. I am trying very hard to protect these all.

Hope you stilll generously comment here. Pls correct me if i am wrong. I wish you tell me "no dude, that reno is a small issue and not to worry about".

Yours sincerely,
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Question 1 : Your assumption is correct. Whether it will affect the structure or not in a negative way, nobody can tell as it will depend on the load that is imposed on the existing structure. Usually the original design will have a factor of safety so in most cases with additional loads (new column), it may be ok if the loads are not excessive. If excessive then there will be settlement.

Question 2 : Not sure, but from what I observe, most private renovations do not go through the proper channel with authority submissions. Some cases are even shocking, a 2-storey converted to 3-storey, a whole new floor added. I am not sure if it this one has gone through the proper channel.

Question 3 : MBSA can come and inspect and issue a fine if it is proven that the guidelines are not in compliance.

Question 4 : Subject to argument with your neighbour. I think the relationship with your neighbour will be severed with this, but if you feel strongly about it then go ahead.

* As a note, if your neighbour wants to do this properly, he does not only need to engage an Architect and Contractor but also a professional engineer to do the design of the new foundation and make sure everything is safe and in order.

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post Oct 10 2016, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(haikalraihan @ Feb 5 2015, 02:26 PM)
How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes Architect endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

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I am also looking for someone to draw the architectural drawing and engineering plan for the house renovation in Cheras for submission to MPKJ. Any good recommendation?

the floor plan and engineering plan got any diffrence ?


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QUOTE(haikalraihan @ Feb 5 2015, 02:26 PM)
How to get the approval of building plans and work permits

1. Owner must finalize the design of renovation before hire someone to do a submission
2. If contractor volunteer to do the submission, ask them which architect/building draughtman they use and LAM Registered No.
3. If necessary, owner must hire an engineer to do some calculation, report and structure drawing. (depends on Local Authorities)
4. Owner must prepare some documents for submission such as cukai taksiran, S&P, existing CF etc.
5. Consultation fees :-

RM2500-RM3000 includes Architect endorsement, site survey, building plan drawing, documentation and traveling.

Owner must prepare some cash around RM1000-RM2000 for deposit, processing fees, tong RORO (construction waste bin) depends on scale of renovation. Deposit will be returned when construction is completed. But for DBKL, no deposit required. Just pay RM100 for renovation less than 1000sqft (CODE B2)

6. Approval/Work Permit usually takes about 7-30days depends on ‘Piagam Pelanggan’ from Local Authorities.

Additional Info:-

Basic building setback for terrace :-
a) front - 20' clear from wall to boundary (main gate)
b) back - can extend to end of boundary
c) side (corner lot) - 10' clear from wall to boundary
d) side (end lot) - 5' clear from wall to boundary

The different thing between architect and building draughtsman (BD) is , BD are limited to specifying area only and the fees therefore a bit cheaper than architect.

Do not pay to enforcement if they ask for ‘kawtim’. Report to Local Authorities if happen.

Do not start work before get an approval/work permit. If not, you will be fined as much as 10x depends on your processing fees.

Do not trust contractor if they can ‘kawtim’ with Local Authorities. Some of them didn’t do a submission and if caught, owner will be responsible.

Architect is the person who will be responsible for the probability of future. They knows about UBBL and buildings.

Just pay a little bit for pleasure in the future...

Sharing is caring… biggrin.gif
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Thank you for your sharing these information!! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
I am also looking for someone to draw the architectural drawing and engineering plan for the house renovation in Cheras for submission to MPKJ. Any good recommendation?

the floor plan and engineering plan got any diffrence ?


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post Oct 19 2016, 10:25 PM

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hi,

i have a question i hope you can help me out. i was planning to extend my kitchen; extra 5 feet. and i have engaged with 1 of the architect from the mpaj. i realised he had drew the window smaller than what i told him and is not at the right location (i wanted it to be at the middle instead of 1 sided). now is it fine to do reno with slight different from plan (just changing to bigger window)? would i be inviting trouble with mpaj if they come to check? or should i just ask the architect to redraw (i assume there willbe new charges)?


thanks..
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post Nov 1 2016, 09:32 AM

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Was thinking to renovate my master bedroom on the 1st floor only and came across this informative page, thank u so much. I live in USJ, Subang Jaya and planning to extend the masted bedroom. Anyone here got good recommendation for drawing & submission of architectural plan for MPSJ? as also renovation guy? Thanks in advance.
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post Nov 6 2016, 12:02 PM

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Hi to all sifu here,

I just came across this thread in lowyat forum and hope to get some advice from sifu at here.
My house is a double storey intermediate terrace house (22' x 70') under MBSA jurisdiction. I have 5' space at backyard which I don't plan to do an extension on it but instead, i'm thinking of to do :
1) cement and put tiles on it
2) Build a 5.5' to 6' tall wall.
3) install an awning on it (not those polycarbon type but is a roof that get extended out from my original roof)
4) Put on grill between the tall wall and roof.

My question will be by doing so, will i need MBSA permit for above items?
If yes, may I know which 1 that will need the permit?

My thought will be item (3) might need the permit but if the roof get install at lower level than current roof instead of touching the original roof, will it still require MBSA permit?
Item (2) on tall wall, is it below 6' height is permit-less?
Not sure of Item (1) and item (4)...

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QUOTE(micro_machine_77 @ Nov 6 2016, 12:02 PM)
Hi to all sifu here,

I just came across this thread in lowyat forum and hope to get some advice from sifu at here.
My house is a double storey intermediate terrace house (22' x 70') under MBSA jurisdiction. I have 5' space at backyard which I don't plan to do an extension on it but instead, i'm thinking of to do :
1) cement and put tiles on it
2) Build a 5.5' to 6' tall wall.
3) install an awning on it (not those polycarbon type but is a roof that get extended out from my original roof)
4) Put on grill between the tall wall and roof.

My question will be by doing so, will i need MBSA permit for above items?
If yes, may I know which 1 that will need the permit?

My thought will be item (3) might need the permit but if the roof get install at lower level than current roof instead of touching the original roof, will it still require MBSA permit?
Item (2) on tall wall, is it below 6' height is permit-less?
Not sure of Item (1) and item (4)...
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Item 1 & 4 is ok, but as long as you are putting item 2 brick wall on boundary line then you should make submitssion to mbsa
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post Nov 19 2016, 12:16 AM

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Honestly to renovate a house, most of the so called contractors won't dared to hack the main structure or beam. They are the normal contractors that can do minor reno. For me, if you were to spent more than 200k for reno, pls get someone with Civil Engineering background. For them, everything also can hack as they know how to calculate and balance back the weight of the main beam or how to share the weight. My house was initially renovated by a contractor who tells me this n that cannot hack. Ended up my house has lotsa beam. Later on, I was being introduced to another contractor who's from civil engineering background laughed at me. So I ended up renovating again coz beh tahan in my bungalow thanks to this contractor Stephen. He's doing it as hobby only now but very experienced n knowledgeable. U can know by meeting and talking with him. He builts buildings, showrooms, factories and houses. So no wonder, his no 0162201966 for those who are interested.

I understand from this Stephen that those who wants short cut, they can just go buy a similiar drawings. Way easier. Many is doing that
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QUOTE(whann @ Nov 1 2016, 09:32 AM)
Was thinking to renovate my master bedroom on the 1st floor only and came across this informative page, thank u so much. I live in USJ, Subang Jaya and planning to extend the masted bedroom. Anyone here got good recommendation for drawing & submission of architectural plan for MPSJ? as also renovation guy? Thanks in advance.
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Not my webpage, but I lazy type the steps.
MPSJ Architect list
Summary:
- check on local authority on the renovation limit & guidelines.
- draw plan as per your wish, finalise.
- submit with fees, RoRo, etc. about 1-2 weeks, get Surat Kelulusan Pelan Bangunan
- stick to your front window, so authorities/neighbours/alam flora guys can see you got permit, so no one will disturb.
- finish your reno as per plan.
- contact your architect/runner for CCC application, more fees here. Wait another few weeks for CCC.
- worry free nights/sleep.

Renovation/Contractor guy, find elsewhere. These normally won't know the steps and also don't help you apply.

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Sep 19 2016, 01:04 AM)
I'm actually planning to extend my backyard also but what is the allowable minimum space required between the back wall and the back fence for a Semi-D?
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If there is no lorong behind the house then you'll need a setback of 5ft from the boundary.
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QUOTE(iron-boy @ Oct 19 2016, 10:25 PM)
hi,

i have a question i hope you can help me out. i was planning to extend my kitchen; extra 5 feet. and i have engaged with 1 of the architect from the mpaj. i realised he had drew the window smaller than what i told him and is not at the right location (i wanted it to be at the middle instead of 1 sided). now is it fine to do reno with slight different from plan (just changing to bigger window)? would i be inviting trouble with mpaj if they come to check? or should i just ask the architect to redraw (i assume there willbe new charges)?
thanks..
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Slight difference in window size and placement should not be an issue and won't need you to resubmit.

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post Dec 8 2016, 01:49 AM

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Hi. Could anybody advice on renovating or rather, bathroom extension in a condo unit?

Is the process and fees the same as landed property? Tried to find out more from mbpj's website but couldn't get info.


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post Dec 29 2016, 09:25 AM

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Hi There,

do you have latest rules for semi-D?

How many inch/ft to setback in order to get approval?

And roughly whats the cost for submitting drawing till approval?

Thanks.

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post Dec 30 2016, 02:14 AM

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Dear sifu..Can I actually renovate the single storey terrace house to double storey? Thanks.
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QUOTE(WilliamLim @ Dec 30 2016, 02:14 AM)
Dear sifu..Can I actually renovate the single storey terrace  house to double storey? Thanks.
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post Jan 7 2017, 09:19 AM

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There is this house in Subang Jaya. The house is extended at the back but I don't think the owner has the necessary documentation.

If we as the buyer purchase it, what should we do?
Called up an architect to look at it and re-do the submission?





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