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ozak
post Dec 15 2020, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 15 2020, 02:17 PM)
You can't compare, it is apple vs orange.

Reit is more a passive business nature, aka have a property and collecting rent only, while bank is actively doing business by giving out loan, financial services etc.

Risk exposure also different between them.
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I understand the difference.

But I have to understand the better return I can get back.

This yrs is best time to know, go through good and bad. Financial or reit. Div and stock ROE.
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post Dec 15 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Dec 15 2020, 04:23 PM)
I m out from both.

But given going in again, I will buy the bank. Just patient wait for it down.

Bank is more stable in div and stock price. And you need the money, the price won't disappoint you.
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post Dec 21 2020, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Dec 15 2020, 10:45 AM)
Klcc reit seems like a bargain 👀👀👀.

Anyone interested?
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Finally bought KLCC today @7.15.

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post Dec 21 2020, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 21 2020, 04:22 PM)
Finally bought KLCC today @7.15.
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post Dec 23 2020, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 21 2020, 04:22 PM)
Finally bought KLCC today @7.15.
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Why KLCC where later people will put their attention to TRX?
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post Dec 24 2020, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(knight @ Dec 23 2020, 10:31 PM)
Why KLCC where later people will put their attention to TRX?
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Dont think that will happen.

It's called KL City Centre (KLCC) not for nothing.

Klccs owns 100 acres of the most prime property in the country. For me if want to buy property, that will be the place.

The problem is always the price. Historically, it's always been trading at 1.1-1.2 PB. Now it's below one. Good time to get some.



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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 24 2020, 01:00 PM)
Dont think that will happen.

It's called KL City Centre (KLCC) not for nothing.

Klccs owns 100 acres of the most prime property in the country.  For me if want to buy property, that will be the place.

The problem is always the price. Historically, it's always been trading at 1.1-1.2 PB. Now it's below one.  Good time to get some.
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Got some KLCC today. Hope it will bounce back soon
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post Dec 24 2020, 08:34 PM

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KLCC vs MQREIT, which one better as both are office centric REIT?
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post Dec 24 2020, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Dec 24 2020, 08:34 PM)
KLCC vs MQREIT, which one better as both are office centric REIT?
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It's a different risk return profile. Klcc being a safer lower risk option, which also means lower potential upside. I'm buying it as a bond alternative.

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post Dec 25 2020, 02:01 PM

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Bought KLCC at 7.15, hopefully this will be good in 2021.


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post Dec 26 2020, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(donhay @ Dec 25 2020, 02:01 PM)
Bought KLCC at 7.15, hopefully this will be good in 2021.
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IF the pendemic is over, the economy rebounds strongly and BNM keeps interest low.. then I believe KLCC will do really well.


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post Dec 29 2020, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 24 2020, 01:00 PM)
Dont think that will happen.

It's called KL City Centre (KLCC) not for nothing.

Klccs owns 100 acres of the most prime property in the country.  For me if want to buy property, that will be the place.

The problem is always the price. Historically, it's always been trading at 1.1-1.2 PB. Now it's below one.  Good time to get some.
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With oversupplies of office in KL + post pandemic, I think most office operator might lost alot of customer.
With the increase of empty offices, price will drop. Company will hunt for the best price in KL area. So basically this will affect the earnings for offices.

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post Dec 29 2020, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(knight @ Dec 29 2020, 12:45 AM)
With oversupplies of office in KL + post pandemic, I think most office operator might lost alot of customer.
With the increase of empty offices, price will drop. Company will hunt for the best price in KL area. So basically this will affect the earnings for offices.
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If prices of office assets drop,... this will cause the leverage ratio of REITs to increase,.. causing them to 'move nearer' to the 45% leverage limit for a REIT. It becomes dangerous to invest into Office REITs then.

Has there been any Msian REIT which has experienced this before ? What did the regulators do when a REIT approaches the 45% gearing limit ?

I have seen what MAS does, but how abt in Msia ?
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post Dec 29 2020, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(knight @ Dec 29 2020, 12:45 AM)
With oversupplies of office in KL + post pandemic, I think most office operator might lost alot of customer.
With the increase of empty offices, price will drop. Company will hunt for the best price in KL area. So basically this will affect the earnings for offices.
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Petronas rents nearly 75% of klcc office space. Last month, Petronas renewed the lease to 2041/42. Thereafter, earlier this month, Petronas sold a big block of their Klccs shares (reportedly to pay government dividends) to ASB. I dont think the timing of lease renewal was a coincidence. Likely something insisted upon by ASB.


QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 29 2020, 05:19 PM)
If prices of office assets drop,... this will cause the leverage ratio of REITs to increase,.. causing them to 'move nearer' to the 45% leverage limit for a REIT. It becomes dangerous to invest into Office REITs then.

Has there been any Msian REIT which has experienced this before ? What did the regulators do when a REIT approaches the 45% gearing limit ?

I have seen what MAS does, but how abt in Msia ?
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Not that I'm aware of. Maybe because we have fewer Reits n Mreits tend to have low leverage but now with the pendemic maybe this will change.

KLCCS, being the strongest, still has less than 20% gearing.

This post has been edited by Cubalagi: Dec 29 2020, 10:32 PM
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post Dec 30 2020, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 29 2020, 05:19 PM)
If prices of office assets drop,... this will cause the leverage ratio of REITs to increase,.. causing them to 'move nearer' to the 45% leverage limit for a REIT. It becomes dangerous to invest into Office REITs then.

Has there been any Msian REIT which has experienced this before ? What did the regulators do when a REIT approaches the 45% gearing limit ?

I have seen what MAS does, but how abt in Msia ?
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SC has increase MReits gearing from 50% to 60%

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sc-g...low-flexibility

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post Dec 30 2020, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 29 2020, 10:21 PM)
Petronas rents nearly 75% of klcc office space. Last month, Petronas renewed the lease to 2041/42. Thereafter, earlier this month, Petronas sold a big block of their Klccs shares (reportedly to pay government dividends) to ASB. I dont think the timing of lease renewal was a coincidence. Likely something insisted upon by ASB.
Not that I'm aware of. Maybe because we have fewer Reits n Mreits tend to have low leverage but now with the pendemic maybe this will change.

KLCCS, being the strongest, still has less than 20% gearing.
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Wow. KLCC has almost 75% of rental locked in for 20 years. Awesome
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post Dec 30 2020, 09:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 29 2020, 10:21 PM)
Petronas rents nearly 75% of klcc office space. Last month, Petronas renewed the lease to 2041/42. Thereafter, earlier this month, Petronas sold a big block of their Klccs shares (reportedly to pay government dividends) to ASB. I dont think the timing of lease renewal was a coincidence. Likely something insisted upon by ASB.
Not that I'm aware of. Maybe because we have fewer Reits n Mreits tend to have low leverage but now with the pendemic maybe this will change.

KLCCS, being the strongest, still has less than 20% gearing.
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From the annual report, Petronas rents the whole of both towers, no? The tenant is solely Petrolium Nasional. Mind sharing where you get the info about 75% from?

As for the "transfer to ASB" thing, in the end, they are using our money to finance themselves... then money flows back to us. Sounds like some sort of circular economy. laugh.gif
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post Dec 30 2020, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 29 2020, 10:21 PM)
Petronas rents nearly 75% of klcc office space. Last month, Petronas renewed the lease to 2041/42. Thereafter, earlier this month, Petronas sold a big block of their Klccs shares (reportedly to pay government dividends) to ASB. I dont think the timing of lease renewal was a coincidence. Likely something insisted upon by ASB.
Not that I'm aware of. Maybe because we have fewer Reits n Mreits tend to have low leverage but now with the pendemic maybe this will change.

KLCCS, being the strongest, still has less than 20% gearing.
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 30 2020, 08:04 AM)
SC has increase MReits gearing from 50% to 60%

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/sc-g...low-flexibility
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Tq bros,...

I figured since MREITs do not go out into the world to buy assets, this is the reason for their low gearing. Could be that the pandemic could be changing this too,... that's why SC has incaresd the leverage limit to 60%,... as bro felix highlighted,... thumbsup.gif

This is useful info,... MAS in SG increased from 45% to 50% for,.. like 2 years ? And SC increased from 50% to 60%. Hmm,... still higher than MAS'.
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post Dec 31 2020, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Dec 30 2020, 09:39 PM)
From the annual report, Petronas rents the whole of both towers, no? The tenant is solely Petrolium Nasional. Mind sharing where you get the info about 75% from?

As for the "transfer to ASB" thing, in the end, they are using our money to finance themselves... then money flows back to us. Sounds like some sort of circular economy. laugh.gif
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There is also Tower 3 and Exxon Mobil building. Could be that?

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post Dec 31 2020, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Dec 31 2020, 02:22 AM)
There is also Tower 3 and Exxon Mobil building. Could be that?
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Suria KLCC, Menara Maxis, Mandarin Oriental Hotel.



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