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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V), Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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wil-i-am
post Jun 18 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Jun 18 2015, 11:23 AM)
wah - u people are so rich, adding thousands into ASx. Do you guys just leave the $ in there, not touching at all?
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wil-i-am
post Jun 18 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 18 2015, 11:04 AM)
You should read the full financial statements of the fixed price funds before calling ppl stupid  cool2.gif
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Mind to share yo concern?
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post Jun 18 2015, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Jun 18 2015, 11:23 AM)
wah - u people are so rich, adding thousands into ASx. Do you guys just leave the $ in there, not touching at all?
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ASx needs to leave it inside min 2 years to get profit. You can sell off when the unit price become higher or just keep and get dividends.

ASX fixed price Won't go up or down. So the only way to get profit is the dividend by keeping it inside and not touching it all.

ASX fixed price is like a higher version of FD. Regular FD only gives you ~4%. ASX fixed price gives ~6.X%


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post Jun 18 2015, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jun 18 2015, 11:22 AM)
Reading which shows no exposure to any of the asset allocation by the AS1M fund manager to any 1MDB debts issued via sukuk because the majority of AS1M funds is invested in equities as it is an equity fund. And if one is to read the annual report that contains the financial statements you would see that all of unit holder funds that is used to by assets will be owned by the trustee on behalf of the unit holders and not owned by PNB/ASNB.

So that means that unless under the consent of the nominee and also as per the investment objective and trust deeds that is found in such disclosure reports, the only link between AS1M and 1MDB is just the name 1Malaysia.

Of course you would have known all of the above and more because just like the rest of us, you read the financial statements too right  thumbup.gif
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In the fixed price Funds AR, they didn't disclosed the list of investments in Bonds/Sukuks/Derivatives/etc which constitutes the remaining % other than equities
Unit holders risk wud include subscription of Bonds/Sukuks/Derivatives issued by 1MDB and/or its nominees
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post Jun 18 2015, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Jun 18 2015, 11:28 AM)
Mind to share yo concern?
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oh, my concern is not about 1Mxx
It's the underlying difference between fixed price fund and floating price fund... obviously the value of the shares they own fluctuates right? How come the price of the fund doesn't? Is that sustainable?
It's seen as low/no risk investment product, but is that a right assessment? unsure.gif

Like I say.... read the financial statements and be your own judge
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post Jun 18 2015, 11:49 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 18 2015, 11:29 AM)
ASx needs to leave it inside min 2 years to get profit. You can sell off when the unit price become higher or just keep and get dividends.

ASX fixed price  Won't go up or down. So the only way to get profit is the dividend by keeping it inside and not touching it all.

ASX fixed price is like a higher version of FD.  Regular FD only gives you ~4%. ASX fixed price gives ~6.X%
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Ya I understand the mechanics of this. Must have lots of extra cash then only can put in a lot $ and not touch it. Wish I am also in that position tongue.gif
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QUOTE(honkkydorry @ Jun 18 2015, 11:49 AM)
Ya I understand the mechanics of this.  Must have lots of extra cash then only can put in a lot $ and not touch it. Wish I am also in that position  tongue.gif
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Not really. You can put rm100 also can. Don't know what's the minimum. Not necessarily Rm10k. tongue.gif Start slow. smile.gif
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Hey guys, I know that for ASx, we can't nominate any beneficiaries for the account (similar to EPF). Has anyone experience or know anyone whose family has experienced difficulty withdrawing the $ upon death of the account holder? With or without a will drawn up scenarios.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 18 2015, 11:53 AM)
Not really. You can put rm100 also can. Don't know what's the minimum.  Not necessarily Rm10k. tongue.gif Start slow. smile.gif
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Min initial sum for ASW, ASM n AS1M is RM100
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QUOTE(audy @ Jun 18 2015, 11:53 AM)
Hey guys, I know that for ASx, we can't nominate any beneficiaries for the account (similar to EPF).  Has anyone experience or know anyone whose family has experienced difficulty withdrawing the $ upon death of the account holder? With or without a will drawn up scenarios.
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U can obtain more info via Instrumen Perwarisan
http://www.asnb.com.my/main.php
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post Jun 18 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 18 2015, 11:45 AM)
oh, my concern is not about 1Mxx
It's the underlying difference between fixed price fund and floating price fund... obviously the value of the shares they own fluctuates right? How come the price of the fund doesn't? Is that sustainable?
It's seen as low/no risk investment product, but is that a right assessment? unsure.gif

Like I say.... read the financial statements and be your own judge
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On paper, price shld goes up or down
However, ASNB have maintain buy n sell price @ RM1.00/unit since the Fund was launched
For me, tis is a Low risk product

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post Jun 18 2015, 12:47 PM

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wah suddenly become active..

anyhow Fixed Price Funds is lower risk than Variable Price fund when there's market uncertainty..

yes, both would have some effect on dividend (lower divdend) but u won't lose on the units price for Fixed ASx icon_rolleyes.gif

so guys, if u have $$ now. u better try to top up your Fixed Price ASx. u might not get the chance like now of getting the units quite easily nod.gif
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post Jun 18 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 18 2015, 11:45 AM)
oh, my concern is not about 1Mxx
It's the underlying difference between fixed price fund and floating price fund... obviously the value of the shares they own fluctuates right? How come the price of the fund doesn't? Is that sustainable?
It's seen as low/no risk investment product, but is that a right assessment? unsure.gif

Like I say.... read the financial statements and be your own judge
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If you've read the previous threads that you would know that this has been discussed before. It's the job of the fund manager to ensure enough liquidity to honour redemptions while at the same time ensure that funds are properly invested and well diversified to ensure that the NAV does not deviate too far from the RM1.00 while all at the same time hunting for yields.

This is the same challenge faced by fund managers such as EPF, KWAP, LTAT, TH and any other UTMC that practices the same model. To these organisations the true NAV fluctuates but for companies like ASNB who are registered UTMCs, since the trust deed and the fund characteristics are as such that the value of each unit is still RM1 regardless on the actual NAV so it is the responsibility of the UTMC to honour it.

Try recalling back to 1997/98, did EPF, TH or ASNB failed to honour the RM1 pledge? If you weren't born yet at that time, you may want to ask your parents about it. How much financially did it affect them? Who knows.

None of these organisations discloses the actual NAV as I believe that they're exempted under the rules applied MFRS so even if you read the annual report page by page you won't find the NAV. You can never ascertain the NAV because you wouldn't know at what entry point for a particular security from which the fund enter or exit from. The annual report wont tell you the cost of each and every single transaction that was made because NAV also takes into account those things.

You can glean a lot from the annual report but not everything. You want to know how well is AS1M being managed? Looked at the MER of the fund.

Investment of any form has risks. Even if you keep money under the pillow has risks.
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post Jun 18 2015, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jun 18 2015, 01:58 PM)
If you've read the previous threads that you would know that this has been discussed before. It's the job of the fund manager to ensure enough liquidity to honour redemptions while at the same time ensure that funds are properly invested and well diversified to ensure that the NAV does not deviate too far from the RM1.00 while all at the same time hunting for yields.

This is the same challenge faced by fund managers such as EPF, KWAP, LTAT, TH and any other UTMC that practices the same model. To these organisations the true NAV fluctuates but for companies like ASNB who are registered UTMCs, since the trust deed and the fund characteristics are as such that the value of each unit is still RM1 regardless on the actual NAV so it is the responsibility of the UTMC to honour it.

Try recalling back to 1997/98, did EPF, TH or ASNB failed to honour the RM1 pledge? If you weren't born yet at that time, you may want to ask your parents about it. How much financially did it affect them? Who knows.

None of these organisations discloses the actual NAV as I believe that they're exempted under the rules applied MFRS so even if you read the annual report page by page you won't find the NAV. You can never ascertain the NAV because you wouldn't know at what entry point for a particular security from which the fund enter or exit from. The annual report wont tell you the cost of each and every single transaction that was made because NAV also takes into account those things.

You can glean a lot from the annual report but not everything. You want to know how well is AS1M being managed? Looked at the MER of the fund.

Investment of any form has risks. Even if you keep money under the pillow has risks.
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I'm glad that you read the financial statements and decided that you want to go for it... nothing wrong with that. But one can come to a different conclusion after being informed of the risks

I'm just saying 'This product is often seen as low/no risk, is that the right assessment?'
Like you pointed out correctly, they are equity funds. EPF is different, they are balanced/ fixed income with some mixed assets
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post Jun 18 2015, 05:12 PM

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Is that true for AS1M has certain charges upon withdrawal of the fund? Where can we find the detailed TnC for all the ASxx? tongue.gif
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post Jun 18 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Jun 18 2015, 05:12 PM)
Is that true for AS1M has certain charges upon withdrawal of the fund? Where can we find the detailed TnC for all the ASxx? tongue.gif
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No charges at all
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QUOTE(leo_kiatez @ Jun 18 2015, 05:12 PM)
Is that true for AS1M has certain charges upon withdrawal of the fund? Where can we find the detailed TnC for all the ASxx? tongue.gif
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No charges upon withdrawal sweat.gif

http://www.asnb.com.my/main_e.php

(juz click the fund u want to see. all info is there)
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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jun 18 2015, 11:22 AM)
Reading which shows no exposure to any of the asset allocation by the AS1M fund manager to any 1MDB debts issued via sukuk because the majority of AS1M funds is invested in equities as it is an equity fund. And if one is to read the annual report that contains the financial statements you would see that all of unit holder funds that is used to by assets will be owned by the trustee on behalf of the unit holders and not owned by PNB/ASNB.

So that means that unless under the consent of the nominee and also as per the investment objective and trust deeds that is found in such disclosure reports, the only link between AS1M and 1MDB is just the name 1Malaysia.

Of course you would have known all of the above and more because just like the rest of us, you read the financial statements too right  thumbup.gif
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Yes.. thats right.. rclxms.gif
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Suspension of transactions: 24 to 30 June 2015
Resume of transactions: 1 July 2015

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post Jun 18 2015, 08:11 PM

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Deposited RM15,000 for AS1M. The staff asked me whether I wanted to try some more and I replied No as I ran out of money! Pity.

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