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post Sep 20 2020, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Sep 20 2020, 09:56 AM)
Thanks. I'll be looking to remove AsRock, was going for cheap but it doesn't have that good reviews.
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Actually the 5600 XT model is OK



just that if price not much difference from the Sapphire Pulse model then I'd go with the Sapphire Pulse.

I used the 5600 XT Pulse and totally love it.
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post Sep 21 2020, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 20 2020, 09:33 PM)
Actually the 5600 XT model is OK

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just that if price not much difference from the Sapphire Pulse model then I'd go with the Sapphire Pulse.

I used the 5600 XT Pulse and totally love it.
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The price difference between Pulse and AsRock is quite a difference where I'm at (not in Msia).
Thinking of maybe just getting a 1660 Super instead? hmm.. and then putting some budget into peripherals.

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post Sep 21 2020, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(swks26 @ Sep 21 2020, 10:19 AM)
Thinking of maybe just getting a 1660 Super instead? hmm.. and then putting some budget into peripherals.
Whichever is cheaper, compare their performance and go.

How about wait a bit though? AMD announcing stuff end of October, if you can wait that long.

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Build this for fun.


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post Sep 22 2020, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Sep 21 2020, 12:24 PM)
Build this for fun.


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I am really touched with your confession hahaha. Really sucker of building PC. Too many pc to play with.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/ilj...aster_v850_sfx/


Hnghhhhh guys. It looks like it will be coming out soon, potential RTX3090 ITX rig brows.gif
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QUOTE(jeopardise @ Sep 22 2020, 10:00 AM)
I am really touched with your confession hahaha. Really sucker of building PC. Too many pc to play with.
Thanks, from your signature I see you have the same "disease". tongue.gif

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Anyone got their hands on black CM NR200?

How's the finish on the case, is it even? Watched some reviews and seems like the black one suffers from some uneven finish (either some shiny spots or rough spots), a bit like hand painted with a spray can look. But the one Optimum Tech reviewed looks perfect, maybe the botched one is prototype?

example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk3QVZJ9YKQ


I know it's oos everywhere now, just planning my next build.

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QUOTE(CAL V @ Sep 26 2020, 01:05 AM)
Anyone got their hands on black CM NR200?

How's the finish on the case, is it even? Watched some reviews and seems like the black one suffers from some uneven finish (either some shiny spots or rough spots), a bit like hand painted with a spray can look. But the one Optimum Tech reviewed looks perfect, maybe the botched one is prototype?

example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk3QVZJ9YKQ
I know it's oos everywhere now, just planning my next build.
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the NR200P should be able to find, but according to sources, October will have a restock.

Personally, i feel that it's rather flimsy especially where most taobao ITX case offerings comes in thick aluminum sheets instead of thin steel sheets like this NR200. I didnt own one tho... just had a look at a display. The finish is just like any CM cases.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Sep 29 2020, 06:01 PM)
the NR200P should be able to find, but according to sources, October will have a restock.

Personally, i feel that it's rather flimsy especially where most taobao ITX case offerings comes in thick aluminum sheets instead of thin steel sheets like this NR200. I didnt own one tho... just had a look at a display. The finish is just like any CM cases.
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Thanks for your feedback, I don’t have high expectations of it matching quality like ITX cases many times its price. Mainly looking to maximise cooling with multi-radiators support etc, so the slightly larger size at 18L is still okay for me. Another reason is it’s quite affordable at below rm300, so more budget for other parts biggrin.gif and less heartache if I want to mod it.

If I really can’t stand it, I’ll probably go ncase m1 to achieve a similar goal but at higher cost and slightly lesser cooling capability. The nr200p does look kinda neat with the vertical gpu orientation, but not suitable for my use case. Will just wait for restock.
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Sep 30 2020, 01:58 AM)
Thanks for your feedback, I don’t have high expectations of it matching quality like ITX cases many times its price. Mainly looking to maximise cooling with multi-radiators support etc, so the slightly larger size at 18L is still okay for me. Another reason is it’s quite affordable at below rm300, so more budget for other parts biggrin.gif and less heartache if I want to mod it.

If I really can’t stand it, I’ll probably go ncase m1 to achieve a similar goal but at higher cost and slightly lesser cooling capability. The nr200p does look kinda neat with the vertical gpu orientation, but not suitable for my use case. Will just wait for restock.
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Yeah it is a very versatile case if you gonna leave it on the table. Should fir your expectations well. Im also tempted to get one but i also need my pc to be portable.

The reason why most ITX case comes with thick solid aluminum construction because for the purpose of it being portable. Most people build tiny ITX like Dan A4, Ghost S1 etc because they want to carry it around.. like me laugh.gif.
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https://shopee.com.my/product/117160803/424...49-1601454959.9
anything i should know about this ghost s1 clone, any caveats?

at rm700+ its very tempting. planning to build an rtx3080 itx, but felt that the nr200 is too big
how does this compare to sans warhead?
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QUOTE(illyaillya @ Sep 30 2020, 04:37 PM)
https://shopee.com.my/product/117160803/424...49-1601454959.9
anything i should know about this ghost s1 clone, any caveats?

at rm700+ its very tempting. planning to build an rtx3080 itx, but felt that the nr200 is too big
how does this compare to sans warhead?
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there is no 3080 that can fit in the ghost S1 except for the founders edition.. even the slimmest evga RTX3080 XC3 will be blocked by a notch on the ghost S1's panel.

And since the founders is a blow through design, the ghost S1's sandwich layout will choke the 2nd fan and you're giving the card a death sentence.



Im personally using the sans warhead. It's a small factory so expect the build quality to be utter crap and most of the screw holes doesnt fit properly... and a very flimsy mobo mount which i epoxy glued brass pieces to enforce the rigidity. All things aside, i'd say this is the hands down the most optimized layout for super small ITX cases.

there are 2 versions the 2 slot version will fit the evga 3080 XC3 no problem...if you use the 3slot version, the ventus 3X and palit 3080 game pro should fit. but because of the low cpu fan clearance with the 3slot model, you will be limited to using the NL9 which is not sufficient for anything higher than a ryzen 3600 unless you can find a way to force fit in a 120mm AIO. (where the tubing will be in the way of the gpu)

Also do note that at the moment there is no safe SFX PSU to run the 3080...Corsair's SF750 will be running close to 80% load so It's not recommended. Im waiting for the coolermaster 850w gold SFX to launch and see the reviews before deciding on the upgrade. brows.gif


my plan was to get the asus tuf where i will saw off the tuf logo notch and shove the pcie power pin directly into the gpu without the connector housing to solve the clearance issue. Will definitely post pictures of it, meanwhile this is how it looks like currently

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 1 2020, 01:32 AM)
there is no 3080 that can fit in the ghost S1 except for the founders edition.. even the slimmest evga RTX3080 XC3 will be blocked by a notch on the ghost S1's panel.

And since the founders is a blow through design, the ghost S1's sandwich layout will choke the 2nd fan and you're giving the card a death sentence.



Im personally using the sans warhead. It's a small factory so expect the build quality to be utter crap and most of the screw holes doesnt fit properly... and a very flimsy mobo mount which i epoxy glued brass pieces to enforce the rigidity. All things aside, i'd say this is the hands down the most optimized layout for super small ITX cases.

there are 2 versions the 2 slot version will fit the evga 3080 XC3 no problem...if you use the 3slot version, the ventus 3X and palit 3080 game pro should fit. but because of the low cpu fan clearance with the 3slot model, you will be limited to using the NL9 which is not sufficient for anything higher than a ryzen 3600 unless you can find a way to force fit in a 120mm AIO. (where the tubing will be in the way of the gpu) 

Also do note that at the moment there is no safe SFX PSU to run the 3080...Corsair's SF750 will be running close to 80% load so It's not recommended.  Im waiting for the coolermaster 850w gold SFX to launch and see the reviews before deciding on the upgrade. brows.gif
my plan was to get the asus tuf where i will saw off the tuf logo notch and shove the pcie power pin directly into the gpu without the connector housing to solve the clearance issue. Will definitely post pictures of it, meanwhile this is how it looks like currently
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thanks for the reply
i was planning to do the deshroud mod i thought neither clearance nor cooling would be an issue, but yeah now that i think about it more thats not really true.
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 1 2020, 01:32 AM)
Also do note that at the moment there is no safe SFX PSU to run the 3080...Corsair's SF750 will be running close to 80% load so It's not recommended.  Im waiting for the coolermaster 850w gold SFX to launch and see the reviews before deciding on the upgrade. brows.gif
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I'm also on the same path waiting for 850w psu, then set my upgrade path, quite tempted to say screw it and get the SF750. I've read some rumours the CM unit was available for just a brief moment in certain regions and then taken down quickly and recalled. There's also a GreatWall TF850 platinum, which is basically a slightly downgraded "SF850" or upgraded SF750 depending on how you see it. That too was taken off shelf in China, but "used" or reject stocks can be found in Taobao. From chinese forum user feedback, very bad coil whine and missing some components on the pcb compared to SF750. Not sure when the SF850 will come tho, seeing their oem also face issues.

Leads me to think that a decent 850w SFX psu may only exist in the dreams. cry.gif

QUOTE(illyaillya @ Oct 1 2020, 10:50 AM)
thanks for the reply
i was planning to do the deshroud mod i thought neither clearance nor cooling would be an issue, but yeah now that i think about it more thats not really true.
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Maybe try custom watercooling biggrin.gif
Since card length wise shouldn’t be an issue, just that you need a matching top hat for the S1 clone too.

But disclaimer first, if 240mm radiator cannot cool the cpu + 3080 effectively, don't quote me on it doh.gif That 3080 will definitely heat up the cpu too.
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 1 2020, 01:22 PM)
I'm also on the same path waiting for 850w psu, then set my upgrade path, quite tempted to say screw it and get the SF750. I've read some rumours the CM unit was available for just a brief moment in certain regions and then taken down quickly and recalled. There's also a GreatWall TF850 platinum, which is basically a slightly downgraded "SF850" or upgraded SF750 depending on how you see it. That too was taken off shelf in China, but "used" or reject stocks can be found in Taobao. From chinese forum user feedback, very bad coil whine and missing some components on the pcb compared to SF750. Not sure when the SF850 will come tho, seeing their oem also face issues.

Leads me to think that a decent 850w SFX psu may only exist in the dreams.  cry.gif
Maybe try custom watercooling  biggrin.gif
Since card length wise shouldn’t be an issue, just that you need a matching top hat for the S1 clone too.

But disclaimer first, if 240mm radiator cannot cool the cpu + 3080 effectively, don't quote me on it  doh.gif That 3080 will definitely heat up the cpu too.
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the greatwall 850 is a scam.. it’s just a rebranded SF750 with cheaper components.

The cooler master was recalled because the fan curve was too loud and too aggressive users complaining.
But when it comes to stress test, it seems to be able to handle 1kw spikes. Should be good if youre not really concerned with noise.
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QUOTE(CAL V @ Oct 1 2020, 01:22 PM)
Maybe try custom watercooling  biggrin.gif
Since card length wise shouldn’t be an issue, just that you need a matching top hat for the S1 clone too.

But disclaimer first, if 240mm radiator cannot cool the cpu + 3080 effectively, don't quote me on it  doh.gif That 3080 will definitely heat up the cpu too.
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yeah i considered that, but then compatibility becomes a concern, so i would want to go for the genuine product for a wider range of support. but that ramps up the price significantly.

at the moment, im probably looking to just get the ncase, go air + undervolt and just leaving it be. but as everyone is aware, a lot of doubts still lingers regarding the power requirements and the limitations of sfx psu. i think ill just sit it out, who knows if amd could come up with something
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QUOTE(illyaillya @ Oct 1 2020, 02:45 PM)
yeah i considered that, but then compatibility becomes a concern, so i would want to go for the genuine product for a wider range of support. but that ramps up the price significantly.

at the moment, im probably looking to just get the ncase, go air + undervolt and just leaving it be. but as everyone is aware, a lot of doubts still lingers regarding the power requirements and the limitations of sfx psu. i think ill just sit it out, who knows if amd could come up with something
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I will be the guinea pig as ive ordered the CM 850sfx gold. Since it comes with 10 years warranty i think should be a good product since they’re confident untill give 10 years warranty. Altho i dont really know how to benchmark a psu lol. as long as it doesnt crash then it’s good to me.

My humble sugggestion if you dont want much headaches: NR200... it’s only very very slightly bigger than the Ncase.
For me, i just enjoy the challenge of making a powderful PC that fits in a bagpack so im going ahead haha
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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Oct 1 2020, 03:27 PM)
My humble sugggestion if you dont want much headaches: NR200... it’s only very very slightly bigger than the Ncase.
For me, i just enjoy the challenge of making a powderful PC that fits in a bagpack so im going ahead haha
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thats exactly my issue with the nr200, it doesnt really offer me much benefit. might as well keep the atx rig. i do understand that the ncase isnt that portable though

i honestly hope the power spike issues will be ironed out once the product matures, or will be significantly reduced with undervolting

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