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turtleundersea
post Jun 12 2020, 04:57 PM

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can cats consume dog biscuits?
i got two cats, both are stray cats, one is around 6 months old, one is around 2 months old...

the younger cat prefer dog bisuits, sometime she will eat dog biscuits together with my dogs...
the older cat is raised by another kind auntie, and i adopted it 2-3 weeks ago, she consume cat biscuits...

now i purchased cat canned food and i intend to finish it then give both cats dog biscuits...
can the cats eat them? would affect them from health perspective?
or i need to get cat biscuits?

my intention is to save cost, but if its affect their health, i dont mind buy cat biscuits...


i got two dogs at home, aged around 6 months, also stray dogs
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post Jun 12 2020, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jun 12 2020, 02:17 AM)
where does it state carb %?? cat dog food always dont put carb % in the analysis...
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hello there, yup they don't state the carbs % on the can.
What I do:
100% - protein% - fat% - moisture% - fibre% = carbs %

some brands reports in a negative % of carbs laugh.gif
so for those brands, i would have to look into the ingredients.
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(turtleundersea @ Jun 12 2020, 04:57 PM)
can cats consume dog biscuits?
i got two cats, both are stray cats, one is around 6 months old, one is around 2 months old...

the younger cat prefer dog bisuits, sometime she will eat dog biscuits together with my dogs...
the older cat is raised by another kind auntie, and i adopted it 2-3 weeks ago, she consume cat biscuits...

now i purchased cat canned food and i intend to finish it then give both cats dog biscuits...
can the cats eat them? would affect them from health perspective?
or i need to get cat biscuits?

my intention is to save cost, but if its affect their health, i dont mind buy cat biscuits...
i got two dogs at home, aged around 6 months, also stray dogs
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hi there fellow cat&dog owner,
i understand that the costs of caring for both cats and dogs are high.
However, the diet of a cat is not the same as a dog.
Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning

obligate carnivore(Noun)
An animal that necessarily subsists on a diet consisting mainly of meat, because it does not possess the physiology to digest vegetable matter.
Such animals may consume other materials (vegetable or mineral) for non-nutritional purposes.

Dog food consists of higher amount of carbs than cheap cat food.

If you need help, I've made spreadsheet for both wet and dry food for cats. I am always on a hunt for promotions and will buy bulk to save.
As of now, I am looking for more wet food as a mama cat just gave birth to 4 kittens in my house porch!
basilisk
post Jun 12 2020, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(spunkberry @ Jun 12 2020, 10:57 AM)
They almost never state it on the food containers, but there are websites that do the analysis based on the ingredients. Unless you want to google each one and estimate the %.
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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 04:58 PM)
hello there, yup they don't state the carbs % on the can.
What I do:
100% - protein% - fat% - moisture% - fibre% = carbs %

some brands reports in a negative % of carbs  laugh.gif
so for those brands, i would have to look into the ingredients.
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okie thx for the explanation,
shud hv tot of tht...biggrin.gif
turtleundersea
post Jun 12 2020, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 05:11 PM)
hi there fellow cat&dog owner,
i understand that the costs of caring for both cats and dogs are high.
However, the diet of a cat is not the same as a dog.
Cats are obligate carnivores, meaning

obligate carnivore(Noun)
An animal that necessarily subsists on a diet consisting mainly of meat, because it does not possess the physiology to digest vegetable matter.
Such animals may consume other materials (vegetable or mineral) for non-nutritional purposes.

Dog food consists of higher amount of carbs than cheap cat food.

If you need help, I've made spreadsheet for both wet and dry food for cats. I am always on a hunt for promotions and will buy bulk to save.
As of now, I am looking for more wet food as a mama cat just gave birth to 4 kittens in my house porch!
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appreciate the reply..

from the seller of the pet shop i buy dog biscuits, she told me dogs that are less than 1 year old, must have high protein intake
for this reason i bought the dog biscuits she recommend to me, which is 27% protein (as stated on the packaging), 15kg package costs Rm168
then the shop got sell vege dog biscuits also, cost RM80 for 10kg package

initially i give them the 27% protein food, now i mixed that 27% protein and vege for my dogs...
i duno this info correct or not as i never focus on dog nutrition before...

so for cats, is there any nutrition rules need to follow like dogs?

basilisk
post Jun 12 2020, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(turtleundersea @ Jun 12 2020, 04:57 PM)
can cats consume dog biscuits?

my intention is to save cost, but if its affect their health, i dont mind buy cat biscuits...
i got two dogs at home, aged around 6 months, also stray dogs
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might affect their health in the long run..

even cheap cat food, the protein mostly plant base.

try to shop for cheaper brands,
whats the cheapest you can get for cat kibble?
turtleundersea
post Jun 12 2020, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jun 12 2020, 05:24 PM)
might affect their health in the long run..

even cheap cat food, the protein mostly  plant base.

try to shop for cheaper brands,
whats the cheapest you can get for cat kibble?
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i havent really go check out kibbie yet....but i dont want to get conned by the pet shop seller...
from my exposure to cat food so far, cat cannot keep eating canned food daily....

i manage to get cat canned food RM3.5 per can, sometimes 1 can last 2 day, sometimes last for 1.5 days...

i want to save cost, but i dont want to get cheapo brands that can caused health issues to them as well...

for example, dog food, pedigree is too salty will caused dogs to loose fur alot... (from what i heard)

the 27% protein dog biscuits in my previous post, i also see some shiny salt-like thing in it also, my dogs also loose some fur, but i duno how to compare with pedigree as i never buy it...
but their fur very cantik and shinny...
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(turtleundersea @ Jun 12 2020, 05:30 PM)


the 27% protein dog biscuits in my previous post, i also see some shiny salt-like thing in it also, my dogs also loose some fur, but i duno how to compare with pedigree as i never buy it...
but their fur very cantik and shinny...
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so it all depends on your budget.

cat suppose to eat more protein than dogs.
normal cheap brand state ( if true la ) 30-32% protein
one of the cheapest cat kibble wit ok ingredient (if true)
is maxi premium, 20kg for rm145, the cheapest you can get in kl, i blif..
tht is rm7.25 per kg.
and thts if tht cats will eat it...
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:43 PM

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Current online pricing

Earthborn Primitive Feline 6.36kg RM170 (RM26.73/KG) USA
First 5 ingredients
Chicken Meal, Pea Protein, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixedtocopherols, a source of Vitamin E), Peas, Potatoes, Egg
Nutrition
P44 F20 M10 Fib3 C23

Proud Fussy Cat 10kg RM209 (RM20.90/KG) TAIWAN
First 5 ingredients
Fresh debone chicken, hydrolyzed chicken liver, fresh egg, fish collagen, cranberry
Nutrition
P45 F16 M10 Fib3 C26

Cindy's Recipe Naturelle Holistic Babycat & Mother 7kg RM120 (RM17.14/KG) FRANCE
First 5 ingredients
Dehydrated Chicken, Maize, Maize Bran, Chicken Fat, Dehydrated Salmon
Nutrition
P35 F21 M10 Fib4 C30


These 3 are the ones I've tried on my cats, currently also feeding cindy's recipe to the stray preggo mom and kittens
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:46 PM

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Other brands that I would love to try is
Farmina
Carnilove
Orijen
Nutram
Acana

I was looking forward to Cat Expo in October but currently cancelled thanks to Covid doh.gif
A friend of mine told me that they sell dry cat food, Buy 1 10kg Free 1 10kg drool.gif
Was saving up to borong a year's worth of cat food laugh.gif
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 05:46 PM)
Other brands that I would love to try is
Farmina
Carnilove
Orijen
Nutram
Acana

I was looking forward to Cat Expo in October but currently cancelled thanks to Covid  doh.gif
A friend of mine told me that they sell dry cat food, Buy 1 10kg Free 1 10kg  drool.gif
Was saving up to borong a year's worth of cat food  laugh.gif
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which brand buy 10 free 10??
last year theyre not so generous already.. lol.. cos all mao untung..
the only time i remember is in 2018, brit got buy one free one.
decided not to go fair, some shop can offer better price..
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:56 PM

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Very sorry to be spamming but I really would love to discuss about cat food with some other owners as I am really alone in this matter.
I also came across this local brand:
https://shopee.com.my/misha.os

Chicken&Tuna 8kg RM53.90 (RM6.73/KG)
WHAT A BARGAIN!

First 5 ingredients
Makanan ikan (Ikan lautan, tuna), makanan laut dehidrasi, serbuk daging (lembu), makanan kacang soya, gluten jagung

Nutrition
P32% F15% M9% Fib4% C40%

They even have 20kg packaging brows.gif
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post Jun 12 2020, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jun 12 2020, 05:53 PM)
which brand buy 10 free 10??
last year theyre not so generous already.. lol..  cos all mao untung..
the only time i remember is in 2018, brit got buy one free one.
decided not to go fair, some shop can offer better price..
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Not sure as I wasn't there personally.
Yeah, we customers can check online pricing and decide whether to buy from them or not.
So far, I've been buying online as the local pet shops around me are really expensive.
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 05:56 PM)
Very sorry to be spamming but I really would love to discuss about cat food with some other owners as I am really alone in this matter.
I also came across this local brand:
https://shopee.com.my/misha.os

Chicken&Tuna 8kg RM53.90 (RM6.73/KG)
WHAT A BARGAIN!

First 5 ingredients
Makanan ikan (Ikan lautan, tuna), makanan laut dehidrasi, serbuk daging (lembu), makanan kacang soya, gluten jagung

Nutrition
P32%  F15% M9% Fib4% C40%

They even have 20kg packaging  brows.gif
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i would avoid misha + power cat.
cos their ingredient labeling is kinda suspicious,
n both smells like human ' makanan ringan°
i went to the fair n smell all the cat kibbles, one by one...

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post Jun 12 2020, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(victorsoo @ Jun 12 2020, 10:03 AM)
I saw on their website that they have a Gold label range also. Are you planning to try that for your cats?

Just to share, I feed my cat the Monge brand (no photos but they have a website):
- Atlantic Tuna
- Tuna and Chicken with Beef
- Yellowfin Tuna with Salmon

There's no jelly in them, all cooked in broth. I mix it with some water to make it soupy which my cat likes.  laugh.gif
They cost RM3.50 on Shopee and RM3.95 at a local pet store.
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Ooohhh Monge brand, alright will take a look at that.
Yes, I will be trying the gold label as well.
I see they also have large cans which I have yet to read up.
I will update again once I made my purchase nod.gif
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 05:58 PM)
Not sure as I wasn't there personally.
Yeah, we customers can check online pricing and decide whether to buy from them or not.
So far, I've been buying online as the local pet shops around me are really expensive.
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if youre in klang valley n dont mind travel abit, can go to tmn permata cheras.. there.. n of cos nid to do price check with them first to c worth to go ornot.. thts wht i do..


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post Jun 12 2020, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jun 12 2020, 06:00 PM)
i would avoid misha + power cat.
cos their ingredient labeling is kinda suspicious,
n both smells like human ' makanan ringan°
i went to the fair n smell all the cat kibbles, one by one...
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Thank you so much for your feedback!
You are saving me alot of time! I guess the pricing is just too good to be true for quality cat food.
If they were to give samples during expo, i would love to smell and take a small piece to try tongue.gif
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:06 PM

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what i have in mind is, for my dogs, once they reached 1 year old, they will be fully vege (if not affect their health)
can i do the same to cats?
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(jess7 @ Jun 12 2020, 05:46 PM)
Other brands that I would love to try is
Farmina
Carnilove
Orijen
Nutram
Acana

I was looking forward to Cat Expo in October but currently cancelled thanks to Covid  doh.gif
A friend of mine told me that they sell dry cat food, Buy 1 10kg Free 1 10kg  drool.gif
Was saving up to borong a year's worth of cat food  laugh.gif
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i just snap pic of these brands and will go check the pet shop for these brands on sunday...
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post Jun 12 2020, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(turtleundersea @ Jun 12 2020, 06:06 PM)
what i have in mind is, for my dogs, once they reached 1 year old, they will be fully vege (if not affect their health)
can i do the same to cats?
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reasons for goin vege with dogs?

cats i think better dont.
if u look for scientific reasons theres plenty online..




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