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 ringgit Malaysia drop , how to I change my RM to USD

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post Sep 5 2015, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 5 2015, 08:17 PM)
I think local banks minimum is RM50k for DCI
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you are correct smile.gif PBB offer that
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Since 4.30 already broken. This open up the possibility to reach 4.50 within this month. sweat.gif
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post Sep 5 2015, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 5 2015, 06:23 PM)
If you buy raw materials with USD in-hand, and then sell and collect USD and in-turn park it somewhere in the USD, you don't have a problem. If you do not convert and perform your acct'g treatments in RM, you don't have a problem. It is all about the acct'g treatment.

I have SME clients doing this, and they are not as badly affected as the others who delve into the RM.

Hence MNCs will not be affected so much in terms of raw material costing.

GST issue IS AN ISSUE, though not directly, but the indirect effects should not be ignored too. If the execution of the GST taxation process is not good, it will bring hardships to good operations which, as claimed (though I wouldn't concur is limited to this) have 'razor-thin profit margins'. Why should a strong cashflow company prosper and a company with lower cashflow capability suffer because of the GST ? If an SME operation is able to sell at a lower profit margin so that entities down the 'food-chain' can enjoy better cost savings, and finally benefitting the end-consumer, it will be good for the end-consumers. Furthermore, the percentage of GST charged against the end-consumer will be lower because of the lower pricing.

If the problem here is an entity which is not paying taxes or evading taxes, hence not respecting the law and the courts, that would be a problem. But if the problem resides with the tax-collection authorities, then it is not fair to eliminate the smaller guy which is trying to follow the rule-of-law.

There is a hiccup in the claiming process..., but it will soon be ironed out ? How long will it take to iron out, when we have a few tsunamis hitting us now in the face along with this GST thing ? Do we, then blame it on the timing of these issues coming together at the same time ? No,... blaming won't help the smaller guy who will be wiped out before the problems external to him are erased.

If we are going to go with the concept put up here, then many SMEs should close down, and MNCs alone will survive and prosper. Perhaps a few 'stronger' SMEs might survive too, and they will have the luxury of raising prices. We, as the end-consumers, will bear the brunt of this effect in the end. Perhaps we are already feeling that now, with the rising prices of 'everything' around us.

If your MNC (with good cashflow and dealing in the USD alone in and out) can suffer a revenue drop of approx. 30%-40% in these times, how do you think an SME (with razor-thin margins and not able to deal entirely in the USD) will be affected ? Is it fair to let the little guy go ? Is it fair for the end-consumers to pay more for products and services later on ?

Is it fair to let only MNCs survive ?

All should be given a chance to survive.
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Whether how account treatment or not, it doesn't matter, it is still the same.
This topic is not about GST benefit consumer or not, or how GST impact, but how MNCs and large export corporation are not being affected by the weak currency. smile.gif

Business is never fair.
Rich enjoyed the most when QE was at its height, but when QE being pulled back time, just like current situation, the poor and middle class suffer the most.

The worldwide trend currently is big eat small. Look at how giant retailers crushed traditional grocery stores is the best example.

That's why I said SME will be the one suffer the most.
There is no such thing of given chance to survive or not, you need to find your own space to survive in business world.
Cashflow is the basic of managing the business.
If a company be it large or small do not know to manage cashflow including in the difficult period, the company doesn't deserve to survive, as simple as that.
Anyway, we are deviated too far out from the currency issues. smile.gif

This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 5 2015, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 5 2015, 07:16 PM)
hmm.gif So no reports of speculators fooling around with our RM. ...

If SMEs fail, the primary negative effects will be : job losses, more expensive goods for us end-consumers, less tax collection for lembaga, and more motion of no-confidence against the administrators (whose jobs and functions are to create jobs and opportunities for the people).

The above will trickle down to further secondary effects such as drop in GDP, drop in sentiment, etc, etc,.. countless...
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RM is not freely traded offshore, not like last time prior before 1997.

Not all SMEs will fail, only weak one.
This is not the first time economy difficulty that business needs to go through.

Whatever you posted the spiralling effect down is as same as what many had been posted during 1986, 1998, 2002, 2008 or even the 2011 Euro debt crisis.

Economy is not forever doom or boom one.


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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 5 2015, 07:29 PM)
Mathematically, Recession is a Numerical Definition  : two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth readings.

Fundamentally, you are RIGHT !  rclxms.gif

Sentimentally, you are RIGHT !  rclxms.gif

Market-emotions-wise, you are RIGHT again !  rclxms.gif

Hence, no need to measure mathematically anymore !  notworthy.gif
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MYS current GDP growth never dip below 4%, however, if one search back, will find a number of negative growth that people never realised or heard.

Some CFO to impress the market, could delay payment by a few days to show impressive cash in account.

Of course, bnm governor is most admired in the world, will never sanction such tricks.

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QUOTE(theoldman @ Sep 5 2015, 06:38 PM)
Hello guys, I am interest in converting some of my savings into other currencies in case of ringgit going into a continuous bad fall. Does local bank still offer multi-currency accounts that allow me to convert my ringgit into another currency. It is not for business use or tuition or anything, just for savings. Is it possible now?
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Yes, it is easily available in most banks nowadays.
There are foreign currency saving or FD account that one can convert RM into major currencies (USD, GBP, AUD, SGD), and deposit into the respectively currency denominated account.

While for foreign currency FD, the interest rate will be based on their country interest rate level.

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post Sep 6 2015, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 5 2015, 08:39 PM)
Most Banks require min sum of RM250k for individuals with net assets < RM3 mil
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Sep 5 2015, 08:44 PM)
which bank is that?  hmm.gif
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Most local banks minimum for DCI is RM50k, like PBB drake88 said. I think Shittybank also same.

I am not sure about the requirement for net assets though. Better ask the banks
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post Sep 6 2015, 08:32 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2015, 10:02 PM)
Whether how account treatment or not, it doesn't matter, it is still the same.
This topic is not about GST benefit consumer or not, or how GST impact, but how MNCs and large export corporation are not being affected by the weak currency.  smile.gif

Business is never fair.
Rich enjoyed the most when QE was at its height, but when QE being pulled back time, just like current situation, the poor and middle class suffer the most.

The worldwide trend currently is big eat small. Look at how giant retailers crushed traditional grocery stores is the best example.

That's why I said SME will be the one suffer the most.
There is no such thing of given chance to survive or not, you need to find your own space to survive in business world.
Cashflow is the basic of managing the business.
If a company be it large or small do not know to manage cashflow including in the difficult period, the company doesn't deserve to survive, as simple as that.
Anyway, we are deviated too far out from the currency issues.  smile.gif
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Tq.

In short, if every manufacturing operation, big or small needs to transact in the USD in order to avoid prbs like a depreciating RM, this is not healthy for the our RM.

I can accept if a company experiences cashflow prbs due to its own mismanagement. But if a cashflow prb is introduced by the incompetence of a tax collection process, then I think the courts should put proper consideration into this in their verdict papers.

Business is never fair, the regulators must do their part to regulate and continue to improve themselves in regulating to help their people to survive and prosper, especially in times of bad economic cycles and in times of economic events as the withdrawal of stimulus, the so-called tightening. After all, this is not the first time we are going through all these. Why did they never learn ?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 5 2015, 10:13 PM)
RM is not freely traded offshore, not like last time prior before 1997.

Not all SMEs will fail, only weak one.
This is not the first time economy difficulty that business needs to go through.

Whatever you posted the spiralling effect down is as same as what many had been posted during 1986, 1998, 2002, 2008 or even the 2011 Euro debt crisis.

Economy is not forever doom or boom one.
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If the % of SMEs falling is huge enough at the country level, then everybody is impacted in his/her livelihood in this country. Furthermore, if this weakening of the RM does not stop, the negative effects will croach into the 'stronger' SMEs too.

' Whatever you posted the spiralling effect down is as same as what many had been posted during 1986, 1998, 2002, 2008 or even the 2011 Euro debt crisis. '

Reply similar to immediate previous reply to yourself - This is not the first time we are going through this.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 6 2015, 08:38 AM)
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Reply similar to immediate previous reply to yourself - This is not the first time we are going through this.
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Hansel,

Yes and no.

1) Yes

This is not the first time that Malaysia went through this.

2) No.

This is the first time that Malaysia went through this without Extra Oil Money to bail Malaysia out.

In summary, Malaysia may not recover from this at all.

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 6 2015, 08:38 AM)
If the % of SMEs falling is huge enough at the country level, then everybody is impacted in his/her livelihood in this country. Furthermore, if this weakening of the RM does not stop, the negative effects will croach into the 'stronger' SMEs too.

' Whatever you posted the spiralling effect down is as same as what many had been posted during 1986, 1998, 2002, 2008 or even the 2011 Euro debt crisis. '

Reply similar to immediate previous reply to yourself - This is not the first time we are going through this.

By the way, officially, the RM CANNOT be traded directly offshore. An eg of an indirect way to trade the RM will be through transactions done by contracts or everyday dealings initiated by 'local-based' organizations - by definition ! The contracts need not be direct RM buy-an-sell contracts. These are slip-throughs which cannot be avoided in this globalised world.

I'll give an eg here here, a very simpl one - an SME company which purchases its products and buys in the RM locally, exports the finished product overseas and parks the sales return in an overseas account in the USD. The RM has 'been converted' into the USD indirectly.

Edit : added final two paras..
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 6 2015, 08:38 AM)
If the % of SMEs falling is huge enough at the country level, then everybody is impacted in his/her livelihood in this country. Furthermore, if this weakening of the RM does not stop, the negative effects will croach into the 'stronger' SMEs too.

' Whatever you posted the spiralling effect down is as same as what many had been posted during 1986, 1998, 2002, 2008 or even the 2011 Euro debt crisis. '

Reply similar to immediate previous reply to yourself - This is not the first time we are going through this.

I'll give an eg here here, a very simpl one - an SME company which purchases its products and buys in the RM locally, exports the finished product overseas and parks the sales return in an overseas account in the USD. The RM has 'been converted' into the USD indirectly.
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That's why the trade surplus of xxx bil may not translate into same xxx bil into the foreign currency reserves.

Trade surplus is the first point, whether the surplus is back to Malaysia, then you need to see the current account balance, the current account surplus is the actual total sum money inflow and outflow.
If you have trade deficit, but plenty of capital wish to flee into your country to invest, or wish to own your currency for reserves purposes, you still have a positive current account, by then your foreign currency reserves still can build up more.

The issue of currency level is about confidence towards your currency.
Australia has been under years (in fact decade) of billion plus trade deficit every month and current account deficit, but we do not see the worry on its foreign currency reserves nor its currency level, because the confidence on it.

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Sep 5 2015, 08:39 PM)
Most Banks require min sum of RM250k for individuals with net assets < RM3 mil
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Who say min 250k?

I'm using these now https://www.alliancebank.com.my/AllianceXChange#overview-tab

Only 500USD min to open account
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 5 2015, 06:43 PM)
by bnm regulation, rm is not traded outside msia, traded only locally during normal hrs.

bnm figures are official, as of 5pm every working day; bloomberg follows bnm.

but there are other contracts involving rm traded in'tlly elsewhere.

gives a good indication what it will be the next msia trading day, can fluctuate a lot.
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MYR&view=12h
3 weeks ago, i know a fren opened a multi currency account.

best to speak to yr bank.
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If RM not traded outside Malaysia, why kind of contracts involving RM are traded outside of Malaysia that will give indication of RM exchange rate? rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 6 2015, 08:45 AM)
In summary, Malaysia may not recover from this at all.


Here it is, wait for it.. soon he will say we are doomed again. That will be the time to buy smile.gif

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QUOTE(MNet @ Sep 6 2015, 09:29 AM)
Who say min 250k?

I'm using these now https://www.alliancebank.com.my/AllianceXChange#overview-tab

Only 500USD min to open account
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DCI is not ordinary foreign currency current account or FD.

It is a structured investment, which normally need 250K as min.
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QUOTE(aspartame @ Sep 6 2015, 09:42 AM)
If RM not traded outside Malaysia, why kind of contracts involving RM are traded outside of Malaysia that will give indication of RM exchange rate?  rclxub.gif
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example would be forward rates contracts where msia exporters in usd hedge their receivables to mitigate currency risks.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 6 2015, 10:29 AM)
DCI is not ordinary foreign currency current account or FD.

It is a structured investment, which normally need 250K as min.
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Agreed on your final posting, Cherroy,...

Referring to the above on the 250K as minimum for the Dual Currency Investment program, that's what I thought too initially. But a forummer posted a much lower amount for this being offered by Public Bank. Do you know of this, or of any other local banks offering a lower participarion amt ?

Don't really intend to hold too much cash in RM, hence looking further for instruments to plough into.

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