Bearbear, i still can understand simple agreement english although I BTC , if lawyer alter term after I sign that is criminal..

Remember rules I set before i agree sign agreement

1-full payment only can real ease money.
2- after 3+1 I have right to terminate if buyer still not settle the problem
3-no waranty and I only give as it basis
4-no rentention sum from lawyer

I not first time selling la bear sifu ..somemore I can ask other lawyer to review the agreement before sign n they never charge me money n in return next purchase or friend geh SPA will let them do

lol stake holder? lawyer have to act neutral but purchaser only paying.. he got what duty against you? lawyer's duties are to the purchaser, they breach this fiduciary duty they kena screwed...

you sendiri choose not to appoint lawyers at the first place and now complain buyers lawyer for not acting for you? you really think the legal profession are a joke? the lawyers protect you or the member of abrs whom been abused by you flippers by paying discounted legal fees, and worse case not paying for job done... now complaint?

panai lar , looking for discount is you, you go wong & partners 2 MIdvalley and ask discount see ppl how? will be waved English middle finger

choice is yours, what you said to purchaser lawyers, ppl had no duty to carry out for you, like old sub sales you wana no defect liability, no warranty, purchaser do it for you? purchaser is paying legal fees, their lawyers put terms like as and where as basis and sell to buyer and will not indemnify purchaser like leaking , cracked walls, broken roofs ( really irresponsible flippers I see you)

if the purchaser lawyers allow this term according to you ( which you don not pay) , this mean they never protected the buyers lor... they do that for you? they owed a duty to purchaser , not you... furthermore you are the one panai wanan skip and save legal fees but pay 3% agent fees.. equity will not assist one who came without clean hands.. you are the avoiding by not appointing lawyers...

dun siao lar you.. so many terms in the S&P, gov restriction, consent, all there runs with penalty for delay even 1 day.. details of the S&P, the accepted documents by banks to discharge, and etc..

nvm you panai keep paying agent even 4% dun pay the lawyer no need.. other lawyer do for you F&C? u no give lui, no duty to you other lawyer 66cc suan di... any event wrong you can sue ppl meh? got what duty? lol

free duty?

See Bearbear , u r so emotional...ask your gf whether what I say is true and everything must according to SPA..

Subsale no liability n no warranty is standard. Even before I sign offer letter and not SPA ah I will stated there ..no argument

Purchaser don't like don't sign ..this to protect myself

Same like I deal with bank , u think I can change bank term on loan agreement meh ...

Before u act smart confirm with your gf first k, do so emotional

Everything need black n white and according agreement

Wah...... u start trolling again already ah??...... look at my siggy number 6....... previously u say seller dont appoint lawyer..... now u flip side saying seller must appoint lawyer ah??.....

btw..... thou i dont practise without lawyer as seller...... but a simple thumb of rule...... if buyer dont accept term laid down by seller..... then no deal lor.....

The unit I bought was way above initial launch price.

I bought 1 year after launch. They increase 200k. But discount 100K. So net still increase 100K from initial launch

where to ask??..... He got no gf la.......

you sure the S&P never said about compensation from the seller?

when did i says that???.....

What is an agreement??.... An agreement can be process or proceed when both party agrees to all the terms and conditions......

If......... jus if........ if SPA didnt state that and buyer agreeded to it....... then its without compensation clause la....... If buyer dont agree, and seller insist..... then no deal lor......

that is simple drafting, and property no problem and buyers keep quiet or dunno... there are warranties that need to be cover by inserting terms... unless the defect causes major defect to the property...vendor is of the duty to restore it back to the the condition first seen..if you really do not have a lawyer, who is going to insist the said terms? you have documentation proof of the same? S&P before signing are still subject to comments and amendments, you sendiri see the proposed amendments? so risky

now slow slow interpret the word major defect lar..


and dun think so happy, like selling an old car i heard from sales of goods division, selling old car means what> any defect cant recover? lol there are reasonable standard expected even from an old car, what not a property which cost a hundred and hundred of thousands? furthermore normally the irresponsible vendors who know the defect, repaint it back , cover back temporarily and sell... this is a very bad intention and motive, you thought you could get away with this? evidence will be brought in as to the happening and defects on the duration and knowledge of your good selves... if evidence shows like water drips marks, left over, cracked walls and etc are happening before purchase, you being portrayed as what? dishonest seller.. sumore no appoint lawyer..

dun always wanna win and interpret terms according to your flippers mentality needs lar... when you ar purchaser, you want the term as and where as case basis to be put in by the seller who also has no lawyers ?

remember, defect in the house should always be disclose to buyers especially sub sales which do not accorded by protection like samkps of SEH said b4, there are still 5% retention for new built by developers..

if you are not, then poor buyers are left unprotected and you scot free with X+200k ( I know flippers are bad, but didn't expect to be this worse and encounter one in LYN), most of the time, when seller wanted to put that no warranty terms means the prop got problem or going to have problem...

buyers have to paid X+200k inflated and then has to fork out more to get lawyer to sue you, then repair so that they can stay, you no pay fees as seller, profit X+200k , and no repair repairs you known earlier...

come on knowledge and evidence you know about the defect will tie you down..

then buyer stipulate in booking form how? you dun want to sell? this straight away will raise suspicions to the quality and defect of property...

of course Jliew, there are reasonable period for defect in sub sales... within 1 month or 2 weeks after vp... lol

you can bank on if the buyer is like forking up everything then you win they wont even have enough cash to fight back..

like this lar Jliew, every flippers has their own pattern to deal with, I hope you be a responsible one...

like Midfields 1 clearly bad workmanship like OUG... bad still ok.. leaking here and there.. mana boleh..

you purchaser that time see how you feel?

the terms of selling as and where as it basis , is a sensitive terms, if buyer ask their lawyers no put, vendor not protected, if vendor ask lawyer put, purchaser screwed?

like this if both side got lawyers sure one lawyer jialat or abort the sales? lol, the problem comes from the sellers units... should the seller bare the duty to his defective unit rather than insisting terms in the S&P and using again the pain or maybe some young lawyers lack of experience and benefit for not paying the defect on the seller units?

any sellers who behave like Jliew? u think when terms are put in then win? the law has life and reason and equity... you sign death warrant to sit for toyota cars and then injured/died can they exclude liability? even it is expressly stated? well, personal injury/death could be, but even prop damage /loss also cant ..

This post has been edited by bearbearwong: Jan 6 2015, 10:30 PM

Aiyo....... Every seller hav their preference of doing things.... likewise buyer can hav their own condition of choosing their house..... as long as both party doesnt agree to each other then no deal lor......

When i sell i will never accept condition like bank reject i hav to refund...... Buyer dont agree then no deal la......

Selling or buying sub sale is as it is condition la....... of course buyer will check the whole house without major defects before they purchase mah..... usually they are allow to snap photo if it is renovated house.......... minor defects is always give and take when comes to handling over la...... In real life..... there are fussy buyer and fussy seller..... there is no such things as die die must follow 1,2,3 la.......

u are really a damn unflexible person.......

This post has been edited by AppreciativeMan: Jan 6 2015, 10:36 PM

Bearbear as I say as a seller I have the right insist no waranty term and I will put into offer letter but I am a fair person , buyer have right n he can check the property before purchase. I will deliver exact the same condition on handover but no retention sum..further unforeseen damage like eg termite I will not waranty , but he can check before commit..all will stated in offer letter before confirm the sales ..offer letter ah not SPA..it is his right if not agree then no deal. That all


Before continue
I still know what mean by damage or destruction and let me put the whole clauses here

- in the event that the property is destroyed by fire, flood, lightning,earthquake,storm,landslide or other force Madeira causes before the full payment of balance purchase price, the purchaser shall entitled to rescind this agreement by notice in writing to the vendor whereupon the effects provided for clause x shall apply mutatis mutandis, whithout prejudice to claim in respect of antecedent breach


and for clause above I will insist I have the right to return back the deposit to purchase instead on rectify the damage
And purchaser free not to continue


I am fair person but I will not expose my risk to unforeseen risk , talk whatever u like but reply me with a fact

J liew by insisting the term to sell as and where basis on a defected units known by seller most of the time, and ask your lawyers to insist it, you are using the agreement /laws as a "sword rather than a sheild" laws are there to protect and uphold justice not to cater and cover up wrongs and want to subject the wrong out of liability, unless, the buyers aware the risk of it and defect has been brought to his attention, now I dunno how Malai gov will interpret this but in England you cant pull this trick, but the higher ppl sitting in Putrajaya (like Ariffin Zakaria) are equally effective in countering these kind of injustice.. my 2 cents

this is more human like... talking, seller should come and give and take... but nowadays due to large class of flippers and of course UTAR student monopoly the agents works and banks sales /loan , the agents become dishonest, the flippers remains flippers maximum profit .... and wash hands ... lol in such a high price climate

tell us when you are buyer position? sufficient inspection and photo taking then accepts the defect which was not discovered?

Appreciative, like it not, flexible or not... that is later talk, talking now maybe everything ok, talk later semua pun tak boleh...

imagine, your units been locked for 6 months for consent, then 3+1 for S&p, and end up cant sell... you sure you letting this fat piece of meat away? you flipper leh.. time is precious to you...

Bearbear , u see I will put this before offer letter.before buyer commit he have choice

I always believe agreement is fair , that why I don't want further argument in SPA stages. I will give enought time for buyer to inspect but I will not put myself into disadvantage position...water leaking , electricity n lost item I can replace but not to unforseen like termite,

If major damage buyer can have choice not to continue n I will refund back deposit and also have choice not to continue the deal if buyer insist me reinstate the condition

of course... choice is on buyers, but how many flippers are patient enought for this? how many UTAR students are patient enought to bring ppl to see unit again and again?

further to that, if before VP but nearing VP, buyers inspect the house and found termites destroying foundation, you will choose to proceed with the sales or abort and forfeit 10%?

termites attack are bad but to who it will do justice? the buyer or the seller?