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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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post Dec 3 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 2 2015, 09:41 PM)
Nachtsider,

I just saw another thread talk about third eye. They saw ghost roaming around. Those are the one that hell police are trying to catch?

Also, do you have a starter pack for ghost hunter vigilantism/bounty hunter?

For example, third eye(to see ghost), the cobra whip, the wooden sword, bagua, talisman and amulet?

I know I sound really sohai asking all this question but I am serious, these are the questions I have been asking myself since I was child.
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I do not know where did you get this idea of ghost hunting from.

My advise to you is to drop this idea and get your thoughts straight.

If you think humans are superior then ghostly beings, you are damn wrong.

Your damn spirit existence in the mortal world lasts you max 100 years, your spiritual existence in the netherworld can last you eons. There

is no way a human being is always superior and , can hunt ghosts by will.
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Can share more details about King Yama of hell?
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Finally finished reading phew! Good thread, thanks for sharing the library of good info here. Definitely an eye opener and should serve those whom are interested well.

I just have some questions, out of curiosity and some questions are based on my own faith and its interpretation of things, just wanna see your opinion on this.


1) After a person dies, they will all go to hell to serve their punishment and then reincarnate or somewhat get ascended to heaven right ? My question is, are all newborns , result of reincarnation ? If so, the rising number of population today, would it mean that some newborns are from "New" souls? Thank you.

2) I am a shamanist and in our belief, there are several realms after death. Those who subscribed to other faiths will end up on "The other side of the river" and will be subjected to their faith's law, whereas we, will return to this world as a spirit guarding the nature, or reborn as a tree. This is why Shamanist takes great care and pride about nature and its creation. My question is, do the hell deities also collect souls outside their devotee's territory ? Lets say a Caucasian passed away in USA right now, will the black and white brothers be there ? Will they be communicating with the soul in English or will the soul remember its roots in Hokkien ? Thanks.

3) TS, with your vast experience in witnessing trances, can you share with us a few memorable questions asked by devotees and the deity's answer to them ? (I am really curious about this, I am sure some of you are too) . Thanks.

4) Some temples in Thailand, supposedly buddhist temples, has urns containing young unborn souls. I have heard they remain in the temple so that the monk's prayers can help them attain peace. Do the hell authorities actually allow this ? Thanks.


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QUOTE(Zozi @ Dec 3 2015, 10:55 AM)
Finally finished reading phew! Good thread, thanks for sharing the library of good info here. Definitely an eye opener and should serve those whom are interested well.

I just have some questions, out of curiosity and some questions are based on my own faith and its interpretation of things, just wanna see your opinion on this.
1) After a person dies, they will all go to hell to serve their punishment and then reincarnate or somewhat get ascended to heaven right ? My question is, are all newborns , result of reincarnation ? If so, the rising number of population today, would it mean that some newborns are from "New" souls? Thank you.

2) I am a shamanist and in our belief, there are several realms after death. Those who subscribed to other faiths will end up on "The other side of the river" and will be subjected to their faith's law, whereas we, will return to this world as a spirit guarding the nature, or reborn as a tree. This is why Shamanist takes great care and pride about nature and its creation. My question is, do the hell deities also collect souls outside their devotee's territory ? Lets say a Caucasian passed away in USA right now, will the black and white brothers be there ? Will they be communicating with the soul in English or will the soul remember its roots in Hokkien ? Thanks.

3) TS, with your vast experience in witnessing trances, can you share with us a few memorable questions asked by devotees and the deity's answer to them ? (I am really curious about this, I am sure some of you are too) . Thanks.

4) Some temples in Thailand, supposedly buddhist temples, has urns containing young unborn souls. I have heard they remain in the temple so that the monk's prayers can help them attain peace. Do the hell authorities actually allow this ? Thanks.
Hello Zozi, glad you've enjoyed the ride thus far. It's far from over, mind you, so keep hanging on tight and stay tuned. biggrin.gif

1. Not all newborns are the result of reincarnation; fresh souls can and do get produced. That being said, bear in mind that animals can be reborn as human beings and vice versa.

2. Take a look back here:

QUOTE(nachtsider @ Nov 27 2015, 07:11 AM)
In a nutshell, sintua states that everybody goes to the same afterlife, regardless of country, creed and colour, and that people of different cultures may perceive the same gods slightly differently.

Let me give you a fr'instance.

Where death gods are concerned, Chinese folk religion has the Black and White Brothers (me in the picture, by the way tongue.gif).

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Haitian Vodou has Baron Samedi.

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Celtic mythology has Ankou.

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Korean mythology has the Jeosung Saja.

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Why is it that these death gods, each of whom come from very disparate cultures seperated by thousands of miles, are all grim dudes who wear dark clothing and hats?  shocking.gif
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The message that I'm imparting is that EVERYONE goes to the same Hell regardless of colour and creed, and that the death gods from different cultures are actually the same guys, perceived differently. As for methods of communication, bear in mind there are such methods that completely transcend spoken words, language and dialect. Linguistic barriers simply do not exist in the unseen realm.

3. One of my favourite exchanges went as follows. A devotee asked a Chinese Hell deity about who created Heaven and Earth, how long it took for the universe to be made, whether or not dinosaurs were part of the equation, if evolutionary theory held any water, and so on.

His reply was epic: "How the heck should I know? I'm just the guy who collects the souls of the dead." tongue.gif

4. This is only permitted under very exceptional circumstances - e.g. if the guardianship is performed by authorised religious specialists/clergy, and for good reasons, e.g. to heal traumatically deceased souls of their anguish. 'Ownership' of such entities by private individuals, particularly for shady purposes such as 'luck enhancement' and the like, is akin to slavery/forced labour and highly illegal.
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Can share more details about King Yama of hell?
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Take a look back here:

QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jan 14 2015, 07:30 PM)
The Chinese Hell is divided into Ten Courts/地狱十殿. The First Court is where souls are judged for their wrongdoings, the Second to Ninth Courts are where souls undergo penance or punishment for their misdeeds, and the Tenth Court is where souls are sent to be reincarnated after they serve their sentences.

Courts 1-9 each have two levels, totalling 18 - the Eighteen Levels of Hell/地狱十八层. Each level is very vast, akin to a huge complex of correction facilities, prison cells and torture chambers. The lower numbered Courts/Levels are like low-security facilities, for minor offenders, and the higher numbered Courts/Levels are like maximum-security facilities, for the worst offenders. Court Nine/Level 17-18 would therefore be a much worse place to be in than Court Two/Level 3-4.

Take note, however, that not all penance involves blood, gore and violence. Minor misdeeds may be addressed with tasks such as studying/reproducing holy texts, or terms of servitude under a deity or deities. Also, punishments always take into consideration the context/circumstances of a misdeed. Judgement is eminently fair.

Each Court is presided over by a Judge with a kingly rank - a King of Hell/阎罗王. The leader of the Ten Judges/Ten Kings holds the title of Imperial Magistrate/阎罗天子 - he is none other than the legendary Justice Bao/包公大人.

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There is no single 'King Yama' - rather, there are ten 'Yama Kings' or Kings of Hell/阎罗王, also known as the Ten Judges.

That being said, the entity whom most people usually refer to when they say 'King Yama' is the leader of the Ten Judges, who rules over the Fifth Court of Hell.

He holds the title of Imperial Magistrate/阎罗天子, and is none other than Justice Bao/包公大人, the legendary judge who went down in history for his impartiality and detective skill.

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post Dec 3 2015, 12:24 PM

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how is the sintua, buddhism, taoism, and even the japanese shinto mingling with each other? i mean not the believers themselves, but rather at the belief's level

as they have tremendous area of overlapping in these few faiths, albeit with slightly different interpretations regarding certain areas
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 2 2015, 10:39 PM)
Some of the spirits visible to those with the second sight are those who have yet to be collected by the Hell deities, yes.

As for 'ghost hunter vigilantism' - c'mon, man, don't be daft.

Leave stuff like this to the professionals, and NEVER try to activate your second sight.
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what happens when you activate the second sight? and why NEVER try to do it?
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post Dec 3 2015, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 3 2015, 01:51 PM)
what happens when you activate the second sight? and why NEVER try to do it?
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you want see guy flying head looking at you when bath? brows.gif

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 3 2015, 11:22 AM)
Take a look back here:
There is no single 'King Yama' - rather, there are ten 'Yama Kings' or Kings of Hell/阎罗王, also known as the Ten Judges.

That being said, the entity whom most people usually refer to when they say 'King Yama' is the leader of the Ten Judges, who rules over the Fifth Court of Hell.

He holds the title of Imperial Magistrate/阎罗天子, and is none other than Justice Bao/包公大人, the legendary judge who went down in history for his impartiality and detective skill.

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That is why I said that the Chinese Folk Religion's depiction of hell has a very heavy influence of the Imperial Chinese administration system.

Looks like syncretism is not just the combining of different, often contradictory beliefs, while blending practices of various schools of thought, it can also absorb secular ideas.




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post Dec 3 2015, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 3 2015, 01:51 PM)
what happens when you activate the second sight? and why NEVER try to do it?
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You will have unnecessary stress. These stress can lead to mental distress as well as physical aliments arising from fear , discomfort and delusions

arising from the ability to see beings you're not supposed to see. They are not the average humane like figures.

Like @nicotine has mentioned in another thread , they can appear ranging from normal humans to decapitated , half body , bloody , no limbs..

are you sure you can tahan such things? Once it's activated, there is no guarantee that you can have it deactivated life would not be the same anymore.

And there is no guarantee that an activation ritual will work. Most masters out there that claim being able to activate the second sight are all after your money.

No legit deity will do this for you.

It's for you own good. Believe it or not , your take.

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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Dec 3 2015, 05:31 PM)
You will have unnecessary stress. These stress can lead to mental distress as well as physical aliments arising from fear , discomfort and delusions

arising from the ability to see beings you're not supposed to see. They are not the average humane like figures.

Like @nicotine has mentioned in another thread , they can appear ranging from normal humans to decapitated , half body , bloody , no limbs..

are you sure you can tahan such things? Once it's activated, there is no guarantee that you can have it  deactivated life would not be the same anymore.

And there is no guarantee that an activation ritual will work. Most masters out there that claim being  able to activate the second sight are all after your money.

No legit deity will do this for you.

It's for you own good. Believe it or not , your take.
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There is taoist talisman that can use for activation when carry it. So far they use it to locate the entity or for fight. They also advice normal human don't do it or ask for it.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 3 2015, 11:22 AM)
Take a look back here:
There is no single 'King Yama' - rather, there are ten 'Yama Kings' or Kings of Hell/阎罗王, also known as the Ten Judges.

That being said, the entity whom most people usually refer to when they say 'King Yama' is the leader of the Ten Judges, who rules over the Fifth Court of Hell.

He holds the title of Imperial Magistrate/阎罗天子, and is none other than Justice Bao/包公大人, the legendary judge who went down in history for his impartiality and detective skill.

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Didnt know Justice Bao serves hell..

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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Dec 3 2015, 12:24 PM)
how is the sintua, buddhism, taoism, and even the japanese shinto mingling with each other? i mean not the believers themselves, but rather at the belief's level

as they have tremendous area of overlapping in these few faiths, albeit with slightly different interpretations regarding certain areas
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Yaya Nachtsider, can you answer this?

How does Islam faith come into this equation?

In Islam they have this evil being called "jin". What are they classified as in Sintua?

If ghost(inluding hell deity) come kacau me, and I use Surah, will it work?

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QUOTE(dragynraken @ Dec 3 2015, 05:49 PM)
There is taoist talisman that can use for activation when carry it. So far they use it to locate the entity or for fight. They also advice normal human don't do it or ask for it.
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Using a talisman to see ghosts is not the same as activating your second sight.
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Dec 3 2015, 12:24 PM)
how is the sintua, buddhism, taoism, and even the japanese shinto mingling with each other? i mean not the believers themselves, but rather at the belief's level

as they have tremendous area of overlapping in these few faiths, albeit with slightly different interpretations regarding certain areas
There is some overlap between sintua, Buddhism and Taoism, in that sintua reveres a number of entities that Buddhism also reveres (e.g. Avalokitesvara Bodhisattva) and Taoism also reveres (e.g. the Nine Emperor Gods).

However, sintua interprets and reveres these entities in different ways from their originating faiths (personifying Avalokitesvara as Guan Yin, for instance, and stating that the Nine Emperor Gods were incarnated as humans at one point).

Sintua also has unique elements of its own - it reveres entities that Buddhism and Taoism either do not acknowledge or pay very little attention to (e.g. Na Zha, Zhong Kui, the various Hell deities, Datuk spirits and so on), and incorporates ritual procedures that neither Budhism nor Taoism perform (e.g. channeling the gods through spirit mediums).

Orthodox Buddhism and orthodox Taoism regard a number of sintua practices to be heretical, if not outright the work of the devil.
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QUOTE(dp82 @ Dec 3 2015, 07:05 PM)
Didnt know Justice Bao serves hell..
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You do now. smile.gif

He has always been a major player in the realm of darkness.

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QUOTE(dragynraken @ Dec 3 2015, 05:49 PM)
There is taoist talisman that can use for activation when carry it. So far they use it to locate the entity or for fight. They also advice normal human don't do it or ask for it.
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Well...... if there is or there is not.. I will not advise any persons without any ability to fend for themselves to even touch such stuff.

I am speaking from years of experience dealing with sintua stuff.
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QUOTE(xxxGAMERxxx @ Dec 3 2015, 09:36 PM)
Firstly, its the first time I'm seeing ah peh speaking in canto.

Secondly , this lady priest reeks of sze toh , that guy whom will talk crap to their crew and disappear when a real kitong is in trance.

lastly , take this video with a pinch of salt. Esp the lady's rituals.
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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Dec 3 2015, 05:31 PM)
You will have unnecessary stress. These stress can lead to mental distress as well as physical aliments arising from fear , discomfort and delusions

arising from the ability to see beings you're not supposed to see. They are not the average humane like figures.

Like @nicotine has mentioned in another thread , they can appear ranging from normal humans to decapitated , half body , bloody , no limbs..

are you sure you can tahan such things? Once it's activated, there is no guarantee that you can have it  deactivated life would not be the same anymore.

And there is no guarantee that an activation ritual will work. Most masters out there that claim being  able to activate the second sight are all after your money.

No legit deity will do this for you.

It's for you own good. Believe it or not , your take.
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But then you got a big problem. In buddhism, to achieve enlightenment, you need to cultivate yourself and one of the effects are to achieve that said feats. So, in other words sintua does not encourage its believer to seek enlightenment? if they do, then why tell ppl not to activate the second sight when its one of required and preferred effects? This is where i start to think "feel" funny. That is what i think la.

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