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post Dec 4 2015, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 01:58 PM)
But then you got a big problem. In buddhism, to achieve enlightenment, you need to cultivate yourself and one of the effects are to achieve that said feats. So, in other words sintua does not encourage its believer to seek enlightenment? if they do, then why tell ppl not to activate the second sight when its one of required and preferred effects? This is where i start to think "feel" funny. That is what i think la.
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to achieve enlightenment,chant namo amituofo or om mani padme hum.

try everyday and use abit time to meditation.
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post Dec 4 2015, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 01:58 PM)
But then you got a big problem. In buddhism, to achieve enlightenment, you need to cultivate yourself and one of the effects are to achieve that said feats. So, in other words sintua does not encourage its believer to seek enlightenment? if they do, then why tell ppl not to activate the second sight when its one of required and preferred effects? This is where i start to think "feel" funny. That is what i think la.
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Since when is activating the second sight a prerequisite to attaining enlightenment, or an effect of such? rclxub.gif
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post Dec 4 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(xxxGAMERxxx @ Dec 4 2015, 02:53 PM)
to achieve enlightenment,chant namo amituofo or om mani padme hum.

try everyday and use abit time to meditation.
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If that is the way to enlightenment, the Buddha would have originally taught that instead of the Noble Eightfold Path, but he didn't.


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post Dec 4 2015, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 01:58 PM)
But then you got a big problem. In buddhism, to achieve enlightenment, you need to cultivate yourself and one of the effects are to achieve that said feats. So, in other words sintua does not encourage its believer to seek enlightenment? if they do, then why tell ppl not to activate the second sight when its one of required and preferred effects? This is where i start to think "feel" funny. That is what i think la.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 4 2015, 03:48 PM)
Since when is activating the second sight a prerequisite to attaining enlightenment, or an effect of such?  rclxub.gif
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Cultivation of the supernormal knowledges (abhinnas) is not a requirement to achieve enlightenment. But, in order to achieve enlightenment, one has to reach the 4th Jhana. But because in order to practice the abhinnas one must reach the 4th Jhana, the cultivation of the supernomal powers is probably considered as an optional activity or a side effect in the quest towards enlightenment.


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post Dec 4 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 4 2015, 03:48 PM)
Since when is activating the second sight a prerequisite to attaining enlightenment, or an effect of such?  rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(trusol @ Dec 4 2015, 04:03 PM)
Cultivation of the supernormal knowledges (abhinnas) is not a requirement to achieve enlightenment. But, in order to achieve enlightenment, one has to reach the 4th Jhana. But because in order to practice the abhinnas one must reach the 4th Jhana, the cultivation of the supernomal powers is probably considered as an optional activity or a side effect in the quest towards enlightenment.
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there you go natch.. he answered it perfectly.. its part and parcel of achieving enlightenment. Its a "side effects" if you want to put it that way. But to be honest, i dont really like the terms "side effects". I personally believe its part of the journey as i known some "ppl" actually "preach" or talked to sentient beings so "they" can learn and gain merits and enuf merits for rebirth. It is written that only human realms can "learn" and gain enlightenment easily. The other realms requires human intervention like "preaching" to them and stuff. And since "we" are suppose to help "them".. i believe that the 5 special "side effects" are needed. And ability to see them is one of the 5 mentioned. So, i think it is needed. Plus if you need to "communicate" with any of the heavenly being (or hell beings in this case) you will need one of the 5 abilities mentioned anyway. So, why do you "prevent" or shun ppl from achieving it? that where i felt its funny...
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QUOTE(xxxGAMERxxx @ Dec 4 2015, 02:53 PM)
to achieve enlightenment,chant namo amituofo or om mani padme hum.

try everyday and use abit time to meditation.
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hmm... thats a good start for you. Go and do it daily and start.. ok? lol... dont forget to study more text and sutras on the way ya...

QUOTE(trusol @ Dec 4 2015, 03:55 PM)
If that is the way to enlightenment, the Buddha would have originally taught that instead of the Noble Eightfold Path, but he didn't.
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too hard to load and i decided i dont wanna watch after seeing the length of the video.. hehe.. sorry ya..
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post Dec 4 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 06:00 PM)
there you go natch.. he answered it perfectly.. its part and parcel of achieving enlightenment. Its a "side effects" if you want to put it that way. But to be honest, i dont really like the terms "side effects". I personally believe its part of the journey as i known some "ppl" actually "preach" or talked to sentient beings so "they" can learn and gain merits and enuf merits for rebirth. It is written that only human realms can "learn" and gain enlightenment easily. The other realms requires human intervention like "preaching" to them and stuff. And since "we" are suppose to help "them".. i believe that the 5 special "side effects" are needed. And ability to see them is one of the 5 mentioned. So, i think it is needed. Plus if you need to "communicate" with any of the heavenly being (or hell beings in this case) you will need one of the 5 abilities mentioned anyway. So, why do you "prevent" or shun ppl from achieving it? that where i felt its funny...
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Systematic is always goes around = same result. Buddhist do by free will, not because just dharma but one have to experience and practice whatever he/she did and keep on climbing. Gain merits is only one of the way to have better life but never escape from time.
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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 06:00 PM)
there you go natch.. he answered it perfectly.. its part and parcel of achieving enlightenment. Its a "side effects" if you want to put it that way. But to be honest, i dont really like the terms "side effects". I personally believe its part of the journey as i known some "ppl" actually "preach" or talked to sentient beings so "they" can learn and gain merits and enuf merits for rebirth. It is written that only human realms can "learn" and gain enlightenment easily. The other realms requires human intervention like "preaching" to them and stuff. And since "we" are suppose to help "them".. i believe that the 5 special "side effects" are needed. And ability to see them is one of the 5 mentioned. So, i think it is needed. Plus if you need to "communicate" with any of the heavenly being (or hell beings in this case) you will need one of the 5 abilities mentioned anyway. So, why do you "prevent" or shun ppl from achieving it? that where i felt its funny...
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If one's objective of meditating is to achieve supernormal powers, then it would be difficult to achieve enlightenment. The Buddha said that the indulgence in the supernormal powers can distract from the ultimate goal.


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QUOTE(Wolves @ Dec 4 2015, 06:00 PM)
there you go natch.. he answered it perfectly.. its part and parcel of achieving enlightenment. Its a "side effects" if you want to put it that way. But to be honest, i dont really like the terms "side effects". I personally believe its part of the journey as i known some "ppl" actually "preach" or talked to sentient beings so "they" can learn and gain merits and enuf merits for rebirth. It is written that only human realms can "learn" and gain enlightenment easily. The other realms requires human intervention like "preaching" to them and stuff. And since "we" are suppose to help "them".. i believe that the 5 special "side effects" are needed. And ability to see them is one of the 5 mentioned. So, i think it is needed. Plus if you need to "communicate" with any of the heavenly being (or hell beings in this case) you will need one of the 5 abilities mentioned anyway. So, why do you "prevent" or shun ppl from achieving it? that where i felt its funny...
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The average man on the street is not physically or mentally equipped to deal with ghosts during intermittent encounters, let alone on a constant basis.

Many of these wretched creatures are half-crazed from pain, anger and grief - completely incapable of rational thought and unable to listen to reason, which makes them extremely dangerous.

The job of handling them, be it via preaching, subjugation or whatever, should be left solely to spiritual professionals.

I don't know how many people with the second sight you have encountered who have suffered, sometimes even died, as a result of their affliction.

I have.

Trust me, it's not pretty.

As for the attainment of enlightenment, there are plenty of virtuous, enlightened individuals around who possess no unearthly powers whatsoever, the second sight included.

Most mediums do not have supernatural abilities, nor do they require them to commune with their divine patrons; my teacher certainly didn't.

You do not need the second sight to achieve enlightenment; focus instead on being a good person.
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post Dec 6 2015, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 5 2015, 07:54 PM)
The average man on the street is not physically or mentally equipped to deal with ghosts during intermittent encounters, let alone on a constant basis.

Many of these wretched creatures are half-crazed from pain, anger and grief - completely incapable of rational thought and unable to listen to reason, which makes them extremely dangerous.

The job of handling them, be it via preaching, subjugation or whatever, should be left solely to spiritual professionals.

I don't know how many people with the second sight you have encountered who have suffered, sometimes even died, as a result of their affliction.

I have.

Trust me, it's not pretty.

As for the attainment of enlightenment, there are plenty of virtuous, enlightened individuals around who possess no unearthly powers whatsoever, the second sight included.

Most mediums do not have supernatural abilities, nor do they require them to commune with their divine patrons; my teacher certainly didn't.

You do not need the second sight to achieve enlightenment; focus instead on being a good person.
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Being a good person is not enough for enlightment. Is just to get better life that good karma feeding you back. Keep on doing good to get back good. Lol Wolves that's why you cannot get anything from him. Not to say the deity is keeping secret they are just too focus on their job only. Probably they can go to better place if they want to but humans are the trouble maker hahaha.

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Nachtsider, can help ask Tua Li Ya Pek, does the phrase Amitabha really work?

In Buddhism, uttering this phrase can help end suffering for poor souls and bring them to the "Pure Land" and study Buddhism with Amitabha Buddha.

If the people with third eye are correct, a lot of souls in agony are around us.

So theoretically, if I utter Amitabha 24/7 with sincerity for these suffering souls, will I be salvaging a lot of souls? Does it really work?

If not, in Sintuaism what can I help to alleviate the suffering of those wandering soul?
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 06:39 PM)
Nachtsider, can help ask Tua Li Ya Pek, does the phrase Amitabha really work?

In Buddhism, uttering this phrase can help end suffering for poor souls and bring them to the "Pure Land" and study Buddhism with Amitabha Buddha.

If the people with third eye are correct, a lot of souls in agony are around us.

So theoretically, if I utter Amitabha 24/7 with sincerity for these suffering souls, will I be salvaging a lot of souls? Does it really work?

If not, in Sintuaism what can I help to alleviate the suffering of those wandering soul?
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According to Theravada Buddhism, the oldest school of Buddhism, prayers are useless. The many sutras that appeared five hundred to one thousand years after the Buddha's death are counterfeit teachings.

"Long life is welcome, agreeable, pleasant, & hard to obtain in the world."Beauty..Happiness..Status..Rebirth in heaven is welcome, agreeable, pleasant, & hard to obtain. Now, I tell you, these five things are not to be obtained by reason of prayers or wishes. If they were to be obtained by reason of prayers or wishes, who here would lack them? It's not fitting for the disciple of the noble ones who desires happiness..beauty..status..rebirth in heaven..to pray for it or to delight in doing so. Instead, the disciple of the noble ones who desires long life...beauty..happiness..status..rebirth in heaven.. should follow the path of practice leading to long life..beauty..happiness.. status..rebirth in heaven. In so doing, he will attain long life, beauty..happiness..status..rebirth in heaven. "

Ittha Sutta (Anguttara Nikaya 5.43)
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 06:39 PM)
Nachtsider, can help ask Tua Li Ya Pek, does the phrase Amitabha really work?

In Buddhism, uttering this phrase can help end suffering for poor souls and bring them to the "Pure Land" and study Buddhism with Amitabha Buddha.

If the people with third eye are correct, a lot of souls in agony are around us.

So theoretically, if I utter Amitabha 24/7 with sincerity for these suffering souls, will I be salvaging a lot of souls? Does it really work?

If not, in Sintuaism what can I help to alleviate the suffering of those wandering soul?
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Basically ease pain can la. To born in pure land? Wont happen. Pure land need clean heart even got good karma is not enough. Being able to let go then you can start a new.

You ask ghost police? They will just catch either sentence or send to a better place or high place.
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QUOTE(dragynraken @ Dec 6 2015, 07:42 PM)
Basically ease pain can la. To born in pure land? Wont happen. Pure land need clean heart even got good karma is not enough. Being able to let go then you can start a new.

You ask ghost police? They will just catch either sentence or send to a better place or high place.
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But but from wikipedia...:
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In the versions of the sutra widely known in China, Vietnam, Korea and Japan, Dharmakāra's eighteenth vow was that any being in any universe desiring to be born into Amitābha's Pure Land and calling upon his name even as few as ten times will be guaranteed rebirth there.
Does it really help?
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 08:10 PM)
But but from wikipedia...:
Does it really help?
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Join Christian and your sin will be forgiven and once you die you will go to heaven.

If you die for allah you get to have 36 virgin waiting on top for you.

You believe this?

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QUOTE(dragynraken @ Dec 6 2015, 08:18 PM)
Join Christian and your sin will be forgiven and once you die you will go to heaven.

If you die for allah you get to have 36 virgin waiting on top for you.

You believe this?
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Haiya, in this thread, we assume Sintuaism is real, and we ask Nachtsider how does other things in the world fit in Sintuaism.

So now I curious how does Buddhism integrates with Sintuaism in terms of the phrase, Amitabha.
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 08:32 PM)
Haiya, in this thread, we assume Sintuaism is real, and we ask Nachtsider how does other things in the world fit in Sintuaism.

So now I curious how does Buddhism integrates with Sintuaism in terms of the phrase, Amitabha.
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Then its up to him whether he can answer this.
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 06:39 PM)
Nachtsider, can help ask Tua Li Ya Pek, does the phrase Amitabha really work?

In Buddhism, uttering this phrase can help end suffering for poor souls and bring them to the "Pure Land" and study Buddhism with Amitabha Buddha.

If the people with third eye are correct, a lot of souls in agony are around us.

So theoretically, if I utter Amitabha 24/7 with sincerity for these suffering souls, will I be salvaging a lot of souls? Does it really work?

If not, in Sintuaism what can I help to alleviate the suffering of those wandering soul?
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If things were so simple, everyone would have attained Nirvana a long, long time ago.

The Pure Land school is but one branch of Buddhism, by the way, whose teachings are not something all Buddhists agree with or subscribe to.

Let's try to keep things on track; this isn't a Buddhism discussion thread.

You want to alleviate their suffering, participate in salvation rituals for them and contribute offerings.

Contact your local temple or sintua and ask them what you can do to help.
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Is Sintuaism still prevalent in China? I asked some Chinese mainlanders and it seems to me that they are blur about this practice. Is it because of Cultural Revolution?

What was Sintuaism like in Imperial China? Does it receive patronage just like Buddhism did? Or was it confined to Fujian province only?
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QUOTE(Haylo @ Dec 6 2015, 09:58 PM)
Is Sintuaism still prevalent in China? I asked some Chinese mainlanders and it seems to me that they are blur about this practice. Is it because of Cultural Revolution?

What was Sintuaism like in Imperial China? Does it receive patronage just like Buddhism did? Or was it confined to Fujian province only?
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Chinese folk religion is practically extinct in China, no thanks to Communism. Most mainlanders are atheists.

Sintua is and always has been a religion of the common folk. It was quite widespread in ancient times; some sintua deities received imperial support, but certainly not all.

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