The Jade Emperor rarely, if ever, makes his presence felt.

Folklore consistently portrays him as a distant, aloof being, disinterested in the affairs of mortals.

My advice would be to analyse why things are going wrong and formulate strategies to overcome these deficits. There is no substitute for such measures.

Morning all:

kindly help pray for rain to resolve haze. Here is the thread in RWI. I feel pitty looking at kids coughing due to haze.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3713476

dun worry
as long have haze, everyday will rainy 1 time
because it already happen every year, and this year too
now what we need pray is god send rain to indon not malaysia

ahahha... very smart... yes indeed

Just back frm praying the four face budha. So crowded in Bangkok. Prayed alot

Today is the Monkey King's feast day.

Feel free to drop by to any temples in your area where he is enshrined, and wish him well.

sorry.. missing for a while...

Actually Mr natchsider, I am sure every type of "trance" only allows himself only to enter a trance where it involves certain deities and I don't think the Thais or Tibetan monks induced a "trance" involving deities in anyone else. If you are talking about certain medium doing some ceremony and allows certain deities to enter them (the medium) to perform certain task, all are the same. If you asking the difference, I would say Sin tua the difference is only the "person" suitable to be the medium. Sintua's medium is "chosen" base on certain criteria as Natch mentioned while in Thai and Tibetan, only monks with very strong meditative ability. I don't see much other differences otherwise IF you ask about difference in medium and trance.

However, I believe he was asking a different question which is during certain ceremony, devotees started acting weirdly and so on. And I think "all" also have similar stuff. Need to confirm if he indeed is asking the about the medium or ceremony stuff.

hmm.. that depends if there were any kid statue stuff lying around in that house and what type of things/faith the owner worshipped. I detected some sort of thai stuff again and as mr Natch said... "My, lots of people here certainly are interested in Thai stuff. ".. lol..

Visiting the temple is definitely gonna help clear some bad "air".. but its definitely only.. erm.. what they call it... "good to do but dont rely on it" sort of things.. its good to clear these bad air stuff out... worship as your faith goes.. and do what you can.. but most importantly.. work on it and find the cause and fix the root of problem is more important.. hope you get what i mean..

Natch... wah... ppl look for you to teach them how to increase luck and so on wor... i also want~~ lai lai.. gimme some "fa bao" or stuff to boost my life

hmmm.. partly true. Its just like the saying "praying to buddha equals to pray to all deities as all is one and one is all". However, even all deities are "same" as they goes back to one "root" or "begining/end/source" (whatever you wish to call it), and they are just different "manifestation" of "path of enlightenment/buddha" (depends on which angle you want to see), please be reminded that each person has affinity to "some" (or just one) deity.

hmm.. lets put it this way as a form of analogy and i am not really trying to degrade any deities ah. This example is only for illustration purposes. Say you have a company and you want to pass a message to the CEO of the company (assume he Jade Emperor). You can say "just pass him the memo" and its the same as passing it to everybody else in the management. Technically true right? The problem is, is it possible for anybody to just walk into the CEO office and says "nah.. this memo is for you.. read it when you are free".. Chances are the memo would be ignored BUT... some people can actually achieve that feat. Ie, that person have affinity to the CEO. Very very rare but there are such ppl. Most people cant reach that level but they might have affinity to different levels of management. Maybe Guy A have affinity to the Managing director whom he can seek to pass the memo to the CEO, Guy B might have affinity to the HR manager whom he can seek. Guy C might have affinity to the Department Manager and so on and so forth.

To cut the msg short as I talk too much de, these different "levels of management", ie, representing different deities at different "manifestations" to tackle certain values of our lives are important than we aim straight to the top. I am not saying that deities are below or above or less or more powerful and so on. They are equal and same as they are here to help us "remove/settle" our hindrances to enlightenment. To reach enlightenment we need to rid our human unpure qualities and base on your karma and previous actions, we will have certain defilement and different affinity towards certain deities. And since we are "closer" or have more affinity to certain deities, we can "communicate" with them "easier".. ie.. same wavelength if you wanna put it that way. That way we can remove the "hindrances" faster. This also applies to "communicating" with higher beings and getting our message/wishes (or whatever you wanna do) across to the higher realms easier through deities we can communicate with easier...

did i go into too much details? lol.. sorry =.=" but its important to understand than a bit here and there. Natch... i correct or not?

hmmm... not saying its good or bad but I do heard phra phrom being very very very "effective" but please do not forget what you promised or said you will do if what you wished for is being "granted".. how big or how small the assistance is when you pray to phra phrom.

This post has been edited by Wolves: Sep 28 2015, 04:11 PM

btw.. i forgot to tackle some important issues...

The_Thorny_Devil ..sak yant or yantra is just a tattoo with certain meaning or "use" which can be tattooed on by the monk while chanting (mostly this is the case) and some do "seek higher beings" help before starting to add its "power" or "defensive" or whatever they wanna do. and that kinda trance only on the monk as well, just like seeking higher realms help to do "ceremony" case...

and nachtsider ... on the same quote above on the same topic.. erm... i dont think "thai occultist" in this case is appropiate lor.. its still "monk" we are talking about. just my two cents..

This post has been edited by Wolves: Sep 28 2015, 04:26 PM

Guys just wanna ask. Gumanthong or any spirit can steal money? Because i lost RM50 twice already

This post has been edited by dragynraken: Sep 29 2015, 12:33 AM

They don't so much steal money as they cause you to lose it.

What makes you think that a spirit is responsible?

agreed.. they dont physically steal physical money. It is more probably due to your ignorance or misplace or the evil of ppl around you rather than the work of a spirit.

Hmm ok i investigate.

the reason for my question is a bit lengthly, but here it goes ...I have a relative whose son is a muslim convert and not a very religious muslim but i am not to judge, and mother being mother , naturally as a traditional chinese, she ask one of her trusted sifu how toi improve his luck and health, since he is sick since young and on medication and very easily get bullied, cheated, etc. She also openly ask the sifu, as a muslim which deity he can pray to that does not contradict his islamic teaching, jade emperor was suggested but not explained why HIM, the sifu even elaborated no need for any ritual, just pray toward the sky....hence my questions
1. is it true that it does not contradict in this case muslim?
2. can someone just pray to the jade emperor?

The jade emperor presides over all , teachings or not its in his own mind , u can just pray to the jade emperor while prostrating to the open skies , no need for an altar if you dont feel comfortable having one.

My personal advice would be for him to seek refuge in his own faith.

Praying to any of the Chinese folk religion deities would be considered idolatry as per Islamic teachings and therefore forbidden.

hmm... from my understanding, there is two possible scenario you are talking about. One is his mother wish to do something for him. So its the MOTHER who pray for him. In this case I will still say the same which is depending on her affinity, ease of worshipping (She might want to avoid having altar and religious item displayed and hence Jade Emperor might be a good choice as our friend mention, you just need to pray towards the sky and i think this might be the main reason Jade Emperor was mentioned). Another reason I can think of is it also acts as a "calming" effect to the mother since she might feel "lacking" of the mentioned religious stuff might "reduce" effectiveness and so on and so having a deities that does not need anything special might ease her mental state. However, those were my guess and its best to ask the "sifu" directly as some sifu might do certain things (like i mention, choosing some deities to calm the mother and give a sense of "peace" than really one who is actually has more "affinity" to her due to certain scenarios preventing it. As one says, doing something is better than doing nothing if you get what i mean).

Second scenario is the Jade Emperor was chosen for the SON to worship and the MUSLIM SON is the one doing the worshipping. In this case I will say roughly the same thing as scenario 1, which means lack of "ceremony items" might be a good point and "doing something is better than doing nothing" case. However, I wish to add something which is "he" should know "why" he convert and where his "heart" is at. And that is what is important. So, unfortunately to say your question might not really be a valid question if this is the case as the "chosen deity" might have a few "reason or implication" which might not satisfy your "original" understanding of the "system" due to the "complication" he is having. As I say, doing something is better than doing nothing and he might not want to raise a few eye brows with the people he have to deal with due to certain "religion" issues. And finally, I do not think its wise to dwell in that question at all coz sometimes certain things are hard to be told to "outsider" and the sifu choice, as i mention, might have to take certain stuff into considerations. Hope you understand.

anyone planning to on vege for coming week - Nine Emperor festival?

not me... i am getting a long overdue holiday in less than 24 hours and i gonna "eat all i can all over the place i go" buffet style for the whole next two weeks to see if it kills me.. if not.. then i am gonna go back to the old miserable life routine.. wuahahahahha...

on another note.. hmmm... i wonder if my analsysis solves EnergyAnalyst's question and so on... sometimes it makes me wonder if ppl is reading the post or am i right or wrong

Thanks for all the answers.

Above all, I am seeking to know what is and what is not. Relating to these personal and close one's experiences, I hope I can validate what I know and clarify what I have doubt in. Thanks again.