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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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post Jul 11 2015, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(iamoracle @ Jul 10 2015, 03:54 PM)
There are people with 3rd eye. Is there a possibility people with "3rd ear"? Sorry, I am not sure what is the correct term to use.
I have a personal experience where I heard something weird in the middle of the night but other occupants in the house didn't hear anything at all.
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See my earlier post on the second sight and being sensitive:

QUOTE(nachtsider @ May 18 2015, 09:33 AM)
The second sight is an ability commonly unlocked following a near-death experience.

A census of people who possess the second sight will reveal that most, if not all, obtained it after a serious illness or some other close shave with death.

More rarely, one gains it after a significant (often prolonged and traumatic) ghostly encounter.

Coming into contact with the other side can result in a little bit of the other side rubbing off onto you.

Part of your spiritual wavelength now permanently reverberates with the frequency of the unseen realm after having immersed yourself in it for a brief time, thus permitting you to witness things from the unseen realm - that which others cannot.

If you do not have the second sight, you are largely confined to seeing otherworldly beings only when they allow you to see them, or when your spiritual wavelength temporarily reverberates with that of the unseen.

This temporary reverberation can happen when you are physically or mentally ill - the latter includes bouts of depression or even severe emotional stress.

There is also another category of people who fall somewhere in-between - who do not have the second sight, but are able to freely detect things to a less extreme degree from time to time, often 'feeling' the presence of such beings or hearing/smelling them rather than out-and-out seeing them.

We call them 'sensitive' - this category included my spiritual teacher, and (one could say) possibly even myself.

This sensitivity is obtained similarly to the second sight - I almost did not survive my birth and was a very sickly child before I started to have brushes with the supernatural, while my teacher was nearly killed in a very nasty motorcycle accident some years before he became a medium.

Sensitivity and the second sight can be undone via certain rituals, although it is difficult more often than not.

As for why children are prone to seeing the supernatural, this is partly due to them being closer to the period of pre-existence on the other side than fully grown adults are.

Some of them find it subconsciously difficult to let go of life (un-life?) in the spirit realm, thus making their spiritual wavelength continue reverberating with that of their former habitat.

Another explanation is that their spiritual auras, a cloak-like barrier that surrounds you and protects you to a certain degree from malign otherworldly influences, are not as developed.

This aura is something that strengthens as one matures, and can be weakened by physically or mentally traumatic experiences, similar to the temporary reverberation that I have mentioned above.

A weakened aura can also explain more frequent encounters with ghosts and other supernatural entities of ill-omen.

When one's immune system is weak, one gets sick more often - the aura acts as your spiritual immune system of sorts.

Again, through the performing of certain rituals, auras can be strengthened and persisting past ties with the realm beyond can be cut.
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post Jul 12 2015, 02:34 PM

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Hi, Nacht. Given your experience with the underworld and experience of being chased by supernatural beings as a child, I have the following questions.

(i) What should we do when we are suddenly confronted by supernatural beings (e.g. ghost, elementals, spirits), which we felt are hostile ?
- Run ??? (not sure whether we can outrun a ghost)
- Put up a fighting stance ??? (hopefully it will back off and not take it as a challenge)
- Take out amulet, talisman, cross ???
- Chant holy scriptures, verses ???
- Walk pass them as if they do not pose any threat ???

(ii) Are high physical strength (high "Yang" energy) and high mental strength (strong ability to face fear) able to deter supernatural beings ?

(iii) Any special advice to children or elderly people when they are suddenly confronted by supernatural beings ?
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If you are already wearing an amulet or holy symbol but they confront you anyway, revealing the amulet isn't going to achieve anything; it should be quite clear that its presence is not serving as a deterrent.

Adopting an aggressive stance might stir them to react in kind.

Chanting holy scriptures or verses could potentially help, but unless the entity actually, actively starts to menace or threaten you, my advice would be to keep your head down and quietly walk off in the opposite direction.

This advice applies to people of all ages.

Yes, someone with a high degree of physical and mental strength could potentially be a reservoir of sufficient Yang energy to deter encounters with hostile supernatural creatures, but generally only with lower-level beings such as spirits of the dead.

Please note, however, that most supernatural beings are quite content to keep themselves to themselves; you are more likely to be killed by a hit and run driver or be a victim of armed robbery than be harmed by a ghost.
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post Jul 15 2015, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ Jul 15 2015, 12:49 PM)
Nacht, can share with us how a person is possessed by ghost? My friend was possessed before and tried to suicide. His voice and face expression turned into an entirely different person. I guess the ghost wanted to reincarnate.
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Jul 15 2015, 01:35 PM)
Why does a ghost need to possess a person to reincarnate?
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QUOTE(estcin @ Jul 15 2015, 04:25 PM)
Maybe they didn't give him proper send off burial or funeral ceremony, so he can't reincarnate. So he possess a person and suicide so he can reincarnate? Not sure. Wait sifu Nacht give the proper explanation.
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I'm quite mystified here - as mystified as Yeeck is.

Possessing a person does not serve to facilitate reincarnation for a ghost, let alone hasten it.

What sort of logic is this?
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post Jul 17 2015, 11:38 PM

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Here are photos of Datuks gathering on Aidilfitri.

Selamat Hari Raya to Muslims everywhere. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 22 2015, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(estcin @ Jul 20 2015, 12:19 PM)
I'm not sure also, that's what I heard from ppl saying. Wonder if u can share ur knowledge of humans being possessed by lonely spirits. Thanks
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Out and out possession is very rare, and is usually transient/temporary. Only truly desperate spirits do this, e.g. those who wish to make themselves heard by speaking through a living person (to name their killer, to voice unfulfilled wishes, and so on).

Far more typical are instances where a spirit, if it is not bound to its usually inhabited place, linger around you like a persistent mosquito.

The mosquito comparison is apt, because a persistently lingering spirit can sap one's life force/vitality, causing physical weakness, lowered mood and possibly even ill luck.
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Who are the Lords of Pestilence?

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The Wen Wang Ye/瘟王爷 or Gods of Pestilence control diseases and epidemics, and are worshipped in order to ward these off. The Wang Ye are traditionally described as a group of five, surnamed Ci/池, Wu/吳, Fan/范, Zhu/朱 and Li/李.

As the story goes, the five were a group of scholars who met while journeying to the capital to sit for the Imperial examinations and befriended each other. After failing the exams and finding themselves stuck in the capital with no money to go home, they decided to eke out a living as musicians. So good were they that the Emperor hired them as his personal band.

The Taoist mystic, Heavenly Master Zhang, happened to be in the capital one day. Harbouring an intense dislike of Zhang, whom he thought of as a huckster, and wishing to make a fool out of him, the Emperor devised the following scheme. He constructed a secret cellar beneath the throne room, where the five scholars were hidden. By means of a hidden rope, he could signal for them to start and stop playing eerie music. He then summoned Zhang to the palace, stating that demons were haunting the place, manifesting as eerie music, and that he needed Zhang to eliminate them. Of course, since there were really no demons, the Emperor predicted that Zhang would not be able to deal with the problem and therefore be exposed as a fraud.

When Zhang arrived at the palace, the Emperor pulled on the hidden rope and made the music play in order to demonstrate to Zhang that the palace was 'haunted'. Zhang was unperturbed. He made his ritual flourishes and chanted his ritual chants, upon which the music suddenly ceased. Zhang told the Emperor that the problem was solved, and left without any further explanation. The Emperor ventured into the cellar and was shocked to find the five scholars stone dead. Unable to reveal their deaths due to the fact that doing so would expose his scheme, the Emperor covered up their deaths. He felt extremely guilty, however, and could not so much as get a decent night's sleep.

Not long afterwards, the five scholars, eager for revenge, returned from the dead as five plague spirits. They swept the land with disease and pestilence, which caused thousands to sicken, including the Emperor himself. In desperation, the Emperor summoned Zhang, who managed to placate the scholars and persuade them to stay their wrath by offering them positions in the Celestial Bureaucracy as part of the Ministry of Epidemics. They have been worshiped as such ever since.
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post Aug 3 2015, 12:26 PM

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Today is the date on which Guan Yin attained enlightenment.

Feel free to drop by a house of worship where she is enshrined, and commemorate the occasion. notworthy.gif

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post Aug 8 2015, 09:30 AM

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It is Lord Guan's birthday today.

Feel free to pay him a visit and extend him a birthday greeting. notworthy.gif

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post Aug 8 2015, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(HwangTommy @ Aug 8 2015, 10:32 AM)
My lunar birthday falls on the same day as Lord Guan's! smile.gif
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That's awesome! I wonder if you have other things in common with him, as well - personality traits, perhaps? rclxms.gif

Here is a nifty little tool one can use to convert their Western birth date into its lunar calendar equivalent - perhaps some of the others who have posted in this thread can see if they share birthdays with anybody interesting (I'm more than willing to check for any corresponding dates).

http://www.prokerala.com/general/calendar/...r-converter.php

My birthday is the 27th day of the 3rd lunar month, which corresponds to the birthday of Judge Dong, the Judge of the Seventh Court of Hell. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 13 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(HwangTommy @ Aug 9 2015, 09:05 PM)
Hi! Just to inform you that I am an Indonesian Chinese, originally from Batam Island, off the coast of Singapore. I am now studying in Malaysia. After reading your thread I found that a lot of my "traditional religion" (officially called Agama Konghucu or Confucianism here) is very closely related to what your thread is about. At home I was taught to pray to Kuan-Im and Thee Gong since I was a kid and still continuing very closely. Your thread provides a very broad knowledge for me, as my experiences for such deities you worship are limited to my temple trips.

I am not so familiar with Lord Guan as my family doesn't worship him, the only thing I know about him is that we share the same lunar birthday.
Hi Tommy,

Understood, my friend. No matter; Guan Yin is a good matron to have, and Ti Gong worship is fundamental to the faith. People have different affinities with different deities, and what's important is cultivating a close relationship with those you have a feel for. nod.gif

Chinese folk religion draws on some Confucian teachings, and includes Confucius as an individual to be revered (see picture below, in which he is depicted with literary deities Kui Xing at left and Wen Chang at right), although calling it 'Confucianism' would be misleading, really.

Glad to hear that our religious heritage is alive and flourishing in Indonesia. Please feel free to ask any questions related to the subject matter. biggrin.gif

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post Aug 13 2015, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(HwangTommy @ Aug 13 2015, 09:49 AM)
You see the thing is, the constitution in Indonesia requires everyone to have a religion no matter what. Thus, in the past, we would consider ourself Buddhist, but then the government officiated Chinese folk religion, with the name Agama Kong Hu Cu, thus why it's called confucianism here.

I remember my mom bringing me to pay Confucius before exams, and had a "孔子先生" stamped on my hand. lol.
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Ah well. A rose by any other name, eh? biggrin.gif

Tonight marks the beginning of the Hungry Ghost Festival, everyone. The Gates of Hell open at eleven p.m.; stay safe, have fun and spare a thought for the unfortunate spirits as most of them enjoy what will be their only time of reprieve from the trials and tribulations of the Netherworld.

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Aug 13 2015, 01:24 PM)
Can share with 'the uninitiated /ill-informed (like myself) a list of major do's and don'ts for hungry ghost festival? Thanks in advance
Not disturbing the offerings set out for the spirits is by far the most important thing to be mindful of - don't get between a starving dog and its meat.

One should also refrain from asking the spirits for anything; they are in no position to grant requests, nor are they allowed to do so.

Pity them, yes, but by NO means trust them.

They are in Hell for a reason.

I would also advise individuals with delicate constitutions (the very young and the elderly, for instance) to avoid areas where spirits are likely to congregate - burial grounds, for instance.

Don't believe all that stuff about refraining from wearing certain colours or types of clothing, abstaining from sexual activity, avoiding leaving laundry out to dry and so on.

Most of it is hogwash.

Last, but certainly not least, put your trust in the Hell deities, especially the King of Ghosts, to maintain spiritual law and order.
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QUOTE(estcin @ Aug 13 2015, 05:28 PM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3675672
Related post on Ghost Month
There isn't very much serious discussion going on in that thread, is there? blink.gif

The gates are now open. Tonight, all the monsters are gonna dance.

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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Aug 14 2015, 10:10 AM)
Does anyone need any information regarding offerings to their own ancestors ?

securing their offerings not to go into the common pool?
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When you are making offerings to your ancestors, loved ones or someone specific, inclusion of an address slip (see picture below) with the offerings before you burn them is customary.

Fill in the recipient's details, but not the sender's, as doing so may expose your identity to eavesdroppers.

It also helps to burn specifically-addressed offerings in an area separate from where public offerings are being burnt.

Ancestral offerings may be burned within the grounds of your home, but never do this for public offerings; doing so would be like inviting strangers into your house for a free-for-all, and there is no telling if some of these strangers might outstay their welcome or otherwise harm you.

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QUOTE(foxxy @ Aug 16 2015, 10:15 AM)
Leaving my mark here for easier access. Keep on posting.

Quite interesting topic here
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Don't just leave your mark, my friend; feel free to actively participate by asking whatever burning questions are on your mind about the subject matter.

I want this thread to be interactive. smile.gif
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post Aug 23 2015, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 16 2015, 12:54 AM)
Look at what I found...from the Garuda Purana. The Hindus also have the Cow Head and Horse Face. Probably that's where the Buddhists got it since Buddhism is closely related to Hinduism.
Ox-Head and Horse-Face have a Hindu-Buddhist origin, yes, as do certain elements of Chinese folk religion's Ten Courts of Hell.

The scene you have posted is a virtual facsimile of the Fourth Court of Hell's Bridge of Sorrows, complete with the voracious water serpents that dwell in the river of blood that the bridge spans.

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Aug 23 2015, 09:53 AM)
Hi i m new here. Previously  from the Ghost Experience  Stories thread. Coincidentally found this thread. Love this thread too. Keep up. Just finished page 4
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Welcome to the sintua thread, Prince; make yourself at home. As Chinese folk religion deals with death and the afterlife, and as many of the Hell deities are ghostly creatures, ghostly tales are quite welcome here. biggrin.gif

Since it's the Seventh Month, let's delve into the truth behind a rather well-known ghostly tale.

Can one really earn money by selling salt to ghosts in a cemetery?

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You may be familiar with tales of people going to cemeteries by midnight and earning large fortunes by selling salt to the spirits who reside there.

It doesn't take a genius to realise that these tales are absolute rubbish, and anyone who claims to have achieved such a feat is a liar.

Salt is used in various cultures, including European, Middle Eastern, Indian, Haitian and Japanese cultures, as an exorcism tool - to chase ghosts away.

Selling salt to ghosts would be like selling rat poison to rats.

They have no use for it whatsoever. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kktong83 @ Aug 27 2015, 10:27 PM)
Whr can I pray路头公? Can anyone help?
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I am unaware of any god who goes by this name, sorry.
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Today is the fifteenth day of the Seventh Month - its zenith, when the Gates of Hell are fully open and the world of men is maximally populated with its denizens.

It is on this day, along with, to a slightly lesser extent, the first and last days of the Seventh Month, that great masses or prayers are held for the spirits, in the hope that they will achieve salvation.

Here is a picture of the King of Ghosts presiding in the background as offerings are laid out for such a mass.

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Aug 28 2015, 08:55 PM)
Here is a tricky questions that I have been meaning to ask, is it really easier for one to get into trouble like accidents and even deah during the 7th lunar month?
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The supposed higher risk is greatly exaggerated.

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