any comment?

best is not to engage in such services

Mao Shan sect magic.

Neither Taoist nor sintua.

Very unorthodox and amoral.

Do not attempt.

any info on this, nacht? dunno chinese.

What I've said is all the info you need.

I reiterate - do not trust the Mao Shan practitioners as far as you can spit.

wats shown in the end part ? the mirror image part

Hi nachtsider

I went to see someone in Taiping a couple months back and he said I owed "Tua Pek Kong" something and now he is holding my luck because of something. He asked me to pray and give some offerings so that 'Tua Pek Kong" will release my luck to me. I'm kind of baffled about the whole thing. Care to give a few pointers? Who is "Tua Pek Kong"? One of the Hell's God?

Hello Joey,

As discussed previously, Tua Pek Gong, also known as Fu De Zheng Shen or the Righteous God of Prosperity and Virtue, is the wealth god aspect of Tu Di Gong, the Earth God.

His role as a wealth god hearkens back to ancient times, where many people were farming folk and derived their livelihood from tilling the soil - the earth was thus seen as a source of wealth.

Legend has it that he was once a man, Zhang Fu De, the humble and generous manservant of a rich family, who sacrificed his life to protect his master's daughter from perishing in a blizzard, and was deified as a result.

Tua Pek Gong is a munificent and kindly old man - some say too kindly, to the point of being taken advantage of.

It is unlikely that he would 'withhold luck' from anyone, or take debts into consideration.

I couldn't see squat.

Dinner for the young 'uns.

This sight had the potential to bring back a few sour memories (if you remember my old Seventh Month encounter, you'll know what I mean), but I'm older, braver and more well protected now.

Hi Nacht, all,

First of all, thank you for starting this thread. It makes great reading and a great source of knowledge.


Let me share my story.


Before I turned 12, my family stayed in palm oil plantation in one of the northern states. The nearest small town from our "village" was 1.5 hours away.

During our stay there for many years, there were many kind hearted neighbours yes, but there were some whose hearts filled with jealousy and hatred. I was soon subjected to numerous disturbances, such as having horrible nightmare almost every single night(it will always be the same nightmare night after night), sometimes ended up sleepwalking, talking in my sleep, and when I came to, it feels so horrible, but the thing is, as soon as I wake up, I could not explain what I saw.

I can only feel the extremely horrifying feeling, but I have no words to describe them. Even now, some 20+ years later, when I close my eyes, I could still feel that vaguely. The closest words to describe what I saw in those nightmares are...something massive is beside me, and I feel so helpless. Sometimes it's chasing me, sometimes I was cornered. Bad description I guess, but that's all I have words for. It's really weird.

My parents were, as you guessed it, worried sick about me. They told me deep into each nights, my body would shake, I would mumble some words that could not be understood, I would cry, and run around horrified. They have to catch me and gently wake me up when I did all that. Often I woke up standing up with myself in their arms and them calling my name again and again. I would be drenched in cold sweat

No longer could tolerate nights like these, they brought me to my grand aunty, who is a buddist/taoist practioner. My mother used to have the same faith but had given it up when she got married. My grand aunty brought me to a house-cum-temple set up, and they performed "Qi Tong" (sorry I am not SJK educated) and that aunty, with a different voice, described our house perfectly. Bear in mind that our house is in one of the northern states, deep in palm oil plantation, and the temple was in one of the sourthern states. She/the Deity described the surroundings of our house perfectly, and said that some people in the village due to jealously has placed something troublesome in me. Not life threatening, but something problamatic or a nuisence.

They told us to be careful of green insects that enter our house, those green leaf-like insects. If not mistaken, (this was a long time ago) they say after you kill those insects, pull the head, sometimes it will have a strand a hair extended from its body and exposed once the head is removed. Then she offered some advice for my parents to do.

They also took a tshirt of mine, did some incantations and such, stamped the back of it and asked me to put on every night.

With all those, it finally stopped.

Nowadays, I am not a religious person, but I do believe in these things to a certain extend. When I ask my parents about my past things, they usually reluctant to say.

In a seperate case,

I heard that a relative of mine, while playing in the playground, picked up the golden $1 coin buried in the sand. He too, got similar distubances until he placed it back.
Not sure how much more there is to the story though. Just thought I'd bring it up.

I grow up to respect any and all religions, as long as they do not harm innocent people. I believe there are reasons for each practices, and people, no matter how educated they are, who easily sway these beliefs/practices aside without bothering to learn more about them needs to be more humble.


Anyways, few questions from me:


0. What can you share with me, about my stories? Ever heard of anything similar?

1. I read somewhere in this thread, saying that in a decade's time, hopefully these practice will still be around. Now, let's say they dwindle down significantly, what will happen to the Deities? Will lack of worship causes more chaos to human world?

2. According to your belief, what will happen to others of different religious faith when they die? Will they go through the same process like your belief, or they will go somewhere else based on their faith?

3. Out of sheer curiousity, can you tell/share more about Mao Shan sect magic?

From your words "don't trust them" "amoral" etc, sounds like you have more things to share.

4. What can you tell us about Genting Highlands? There are so many stories surrounding the place. I love to go there, and what will be your advise about travelling there safely and avoid offending any parties?

Sorry for the amount of questions, thank you and have a nice day

Thanks again for sharing those info!

Hello Blue, thank you for stopping by. Hope to see a regular visitor in you.

0. Your fascinating story is typical of those lucky enough to encounter and obtain assistance from a bona fide medium. The real deal will immediately know what is wrong and how to deal with the problem, plus describe aspects of the problem that you have yet to confide in anybody else.

It is not unheard of for black magic practitioners to have familiar animals that they use to harass their enemies or targets; the insects of which you speak could have been such creatures, imbued with dark sorcery and sent to plague your home.

Mediums often stamp their devotees' clothing with their official seals or inscribe them with sacred writing to turn these items of clothing into protective wear; here is a picture of a Li Ya Pek medium doing exactly that.



Buddhism and Taoism do not subscribe to the practice of mediumship, by the way (Buddhism stresses self-cultivation rather than seeking supernatural beings for advice/assistance, and Taoism states that gods will NEVER inhabit human bodies for whatever reason). Mediumship is a Chinese folk religion thing.

1. There are some who say that deities derive their power from the faith or belief of their devotees. This is true to a certain extent, but nowhere as much as it is made out to be. If certain practices die out, deities just roll with the punches and assume new forms/functions to suit the changing times. Old gods do new jobs.

2. According to my beliefs, everyone goes to the same afterlife. No matter what your colour, creed or faith.

3. The Mao Shan practitioners commune with perilous beings to achieve their purposes and have little to no moral qualms.

They have no interest whatsoever in imparting virtues, in the salvation of the human race, in protecting the weak and the downtrodden, or in the spiritual/moral betterment of society.

All they focus on are wealth, sex, power and one-upping enemies/competitors, among other materialistic/short-sighted things, and they are willing to do anything to achieve these goals or help unscrupulous but willing-to-pay clients to achieve them.

Never rub shoulders with these people if you know what's good for you.

4. My advice about travelling there safely is to drive slowly and carefully, take a rest by the roadside if you are tired, always use your signal lights when changing lanes, and avoid rockfalls.

Genting Highlands is not some 'deadman wonderland' or 'cursed earth' jam-packed with ghosts. I've explored both Amber Court and a couple of other supposedly haunted places there fairly extensively, and not once did I spot or experience anything out of the ordinary.

If you pay for a hotel room, you deserve to do whatever the hell you want inside it. That is my policy and it has served me well for as many years as I have been paying for hotel rooms.

Have fun at Genting Highlands, and try not to gamble all your money away.

Nacht

P.S. - Contrary to what people think, I was never educated in the SJK system. Hokkien is my first language, and I was privately tutored in Mandarin to a sixth-grade level. Certainly not as awe-inspiring a standard as others have achieved, but enough to get by in everyday life.

This post has been edited by nachtsider: Aug 18 2016, 07:57 AM

Thanks for all your input Nacht. I respect you. Looking forward to many more interesting posts from you and others.

Spent great deal of time yesterday reading this thread, only up to page 13. Will continue today

More Seventh Month scenes:

This is intriguing, because when I was 6, I had the exact same symptoms. It happened whenever I went to sleep, be it at night, or even during afternoon naps. Before entering deep sleep, I'll wake up trembling with fear; at times I would even scream. It was quite difficult for my parents because they had to keep watch, and the whole thing lasted for nearly a year (I essentially skipped kindergarten altogether).

My mum was slightly traditional, so she brought me to the usual places, and did the usual rituals (I even remember having my shirt stamped with Chinese characters in red ink). My dad, however, wasn't Chinese, and he was skeptical of these things, so he brought me to a child psychologist.

It turned out I had what's called "night terror", a phenomenon that affects children (usually, but might happen to teens and adults too). You can read an article about it here. My father started reading articles and books about it; my parents took the necessary precautions, and tried various strategies to distract me when I woke up with a night terror. They could be simple questions like "How old are you today?", to questions about my interests "What is your favourite colour?". These questions served to distract me from my current fear, and shift my focus to something more neutral.

My parents decided that it was best for me to take a break from kindergarten, so they let me do what I liked best. I started painting a lot. They had also bought me a bike, and I'd exhaust myself biking with the other kids. It turned out that these things helped tremendously; within a month or so of doing these things, occurrences of night terror began to decrease, and even when it happened, it wasn't quite as intense (I'd feel a sense of dread, but would snap out of it after fifteen minutes or so).

Things began to improve rapidly, but the night terrors didn't quite leave me until I turned 7/8, I would still wake up with dread occasionally during my afternoon naps, if I was completely exhausted by school. But I completely recovered when I was 9.

My experience differs from yours because I take the scientific point of view toward things. The traditional methods did not help me; it was only after my father discovered night terror that my symptoms began to improve. I have no strong feelings towards religions, I feel it's necessary for people who feel the need for it, but I always try to take the rational approach to things.

So yeah, I just wanted to share my experience, coming from a different perspective.

I think the bottom line here is that not all such presentations have an otherworldly basis or cause.

Most, in fact, don't.

The scientific approach is perfectly reasonable to adopt as the default course of action, and this usually turns out to be the correct course of action.

It is when extensive investigation using the scientific approach yields no fruit that one may start to consider more weird and wonderful pathology to be afoot.

But yes, absolutely - when you hear hoof beats, think zebras, not unicorns.

This post has been edited by nachtsider: Aug 18 2016, 01:19 PM

Hi Nacth,
Been reading your writing here all the while,
Since i've been joining few offering 'party' last few days, my question is izzit ok for us to consume the food ie fruits / drinks / pork that been used to offer to the 'brothers'. What i've gather is some say yes some say NO...but definitely don't bring it home. What your said in this and also is there any big NO NO when v join this 'party'
Thanks

I don't believe in euphemisms.

Call a mass or offering ceremony a mass or an offering ceremony, not a 'party'.

Refer to ghosts as ghosts, not 'brothers'.

Being afraid and avoidant to the point of using euphemisms puts you under the power of that which you fear.

As long as the food offerings to the gods or your own departed loved ones are not contaminated by flies, cockroaches, rats, incense ash or other pollutants/pests, feel free to take them home and consume them.

Food offerings meant for random ghosts should go straight into the trash once the ghosts are done with them.

By far the biggest no-nos are to not disturb the offerings until the time is right for clearing them, and to not ask the ghosts for blessings/favours.

The ghosts are prisoners serving sentences, and are in no position to grant requests of any kind.

Thanks for the "euphemisms " advice. I will avoid this in the future.
As for the offering, what i've seen mostly people will consume it esp the roasted pork. Be frank, i eat that as well.. and for my case, we do it in a construction site so there is lot of foreign workers that line up and wait to take the offering back to their quarter. All is gone in a short time....
Anyway i'm glad to get your advise and next time i will not consume any of this offering anymore...

The cemeteries continue to come alive at night with the performance of graveside rituals for the dead.