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 V17 Property Bubble (Is there a bubble at all ?), Property Inflated or Inflation ?

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post Dec 27 2014, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(JasonW13 @ Dec 27 2014, 12:24 PM)
What is ur view on the fact that there more n more young people who are at their 20's yet unable to afford for a house?  doh.gif

Need papamama to withdraw EPF to fund the purchase? Am looking to buy a single terrace but the price is like wtf.  cry.gif
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Welcome to the discussion thumbup.gif

Let me give an overall idea of the development of the property market in malaysia for the past 20-25 years.

1. In the 80s and 90s when I was the youngster in the 20s, we do not dream of owning a property. Due to the strict bank requirement then, property owner has to prepare about 15% of the property price as deposit+legal fees. Further more, the interest rate is around ~8% with tenure of max 20 years

2. So, the barrier of entry into the property market is high. The first being the 15% deposit (the killer) and secondly, the high monthly instalment due to high interest and short tenure

3. Furthermore, parents of youngsters in the 80s and 90s were mostly not tertiary educated. So, the parents do not provided financial assistance to buy house. The fact that the parents sweat out to provide tertiary education to their children is already a luxury

4. Hence, for youngster will wait right until age ~30 thereabout, only they consider buying their first property after climbing the corporate ladder high enough.

5. Fast forward to 2008, when the Americans implement QE1, QE2, QE3 (unlimited). The world was flushed with money. So much money that the door of banks' vault cannot close properly tongue.gif So, they relax their policy to lend out their excess money. As a results, interest rates is reduced to all time low. Loan tenure increase to 40 years. Can't afford the 15% deposit ? Nevermind, banks partnered with developers and allow buyer "zero-cost" entry.

6. This open the doors to many new property buyers previously can't afford to buy due to points in #2 above

7. These property buyers include fresh grads in their early 20s. Coupled with their partner (female who are getting more educated and earning as much), suddenly they can afford housed in RM500k range


So, I think your first sentence should read :
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What is ur view on the fact that there more n more young people who are at their 20's can afford for a house?  thumbup.gif


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Your generation is much blessed. At least you have the chance to own a house at such early age. Whereas, my generation with the 15% deposit and high interest barrier, we don't even have a chance at all

My advice to the youngster now is try to work hard and earn more money. You can always partner your other half and afford the monthly instalment. In the 80s and 90s not that many ladies were as educated as the men, so the ladies were more a burden then. Now, the ladies are a contributor to our household.

Don't blame the free market as a hinder to your dream of owning a house. Be positive and find ways to realise your dream

As the saying goes "if you are born poor, blame your parents. If you die poor, blame yourself"
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post Dec 27 2014, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Dec 27 2014, 01:56 PM)
Many people cannot buy house the problem are mostly come from themselve. Although not all but many spend money on something beyond their mean. Some taikor have x10 or x100 net worth still willing to spend lesser on certain item like premium coffee (some of my staff drink starbuck everyday, while many of the higher management just enjoy the free instant white coffe from company pantry). U cant have too many of wants in ur dream list, once u over spend on this category, u got to cut ur spending on another category. When i join my company in junior level, i bought my 1st house in less than 1 year for basic need as roof (probably added some of the want elements inside  brows.gif ). I don't think i am the very fortunate among the 10k employees across the group companies, tonnes of them have higher pay than me. Actually it is more on personal preferences when allocate their limited money into which part of expenses.
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post Dec 27 2014, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Dec 27 2014, 01:56 PM)
Many people cannot buy house the problem are mostly come from themselve. Although not all but many spend money on something beyond their mean. Some taikor have x10 or x100 net worth still willing to spend lesser on certain item like premium coffee (some of my staff drink starbuck everyday, while many of the higher management just enjoy the free instant white coffe from company pantry). U cant have too many of wants in ur dream list, once u over spend on this category, u got to cut ur spending on another category. When i join my company in junior level, i bought my 1st house in less than 1 year for basic need as roof (probably added some of the want elements inside  brows.gif ). I don't think i am the very fortunate among the 10k employees across the group companies, tonnes of them have higher pay than me. Actually it is more on personal preferences when allocate their limited money into which part of expenses.
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Getting money from parents for Dp studio is not a goodstart..

You sumore need parents to sponser marriage due to accident .

How to advise pll .. you BBB can troll only.. market sudah mati.. too many expert said it.. none of BBB bought 600k above this year.. bought ahh not old dsl in PJ self call 2 million...

they wanna offload...at any time potential buyers has stronger financial strength than flippers..
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 27 2014, 02:06 PM)
Welcome to the discussion  thumbup.gif

Let me give an overall idea of the development of the property market in malaysia for the past 20-25 years.

1. In the 80s and 90s when I was the youngster in the 20s, we do not dream of owning a property. Due to the strict bank requirement then, property owner has to prepare about 15% of the property price as deposit+legal fees. Further more, the interest rate is around ~8% with tenure of max 20 years

2. So, the barrier of entry into the property market is high. The first being the 15% deposit (the killer) and secondly, the high monthly instalment due to high interest and short tenure

3. Furthermore, parents of youngsters in the 80s and 90s were mostly not tertiary educated. So, the parents do not provided financial assistance to buy house. The fact that the parents sweat out to provide tertiary education to their children is already a luxury

4. Hence, for youngster will wait right until age ~30 thereabout, only they consider buying their first property after climbing the corporate ladder high enough.

5. Fast forward to 2008, when the Americans implement QE1, QE2, QE3 (unlimited). The world was flushed with money. So much money that the door of banks' vault cannot close properly  tongue.gif  So, they relax their policy to lend out their excess money.  As a results, interest rates is reduced to all time low. Loan tenure increase to 40 years. Can't afford the 15% deposit ? Nevermind, banks partnered with developers and allow buyer "zero-cost" entry.

6. This open the doors to many new property buyers previously can't afford to buy due to points in #2 above

7. These property buyers include fresh grads in their early 20s. Coupled with their partner (female who are getting more educated and earning as much), suddenly they can afford housed in RM500k range
So, I think your first sentence should read :
The  doh.gif  should be  thumbup.gif

Your generation is much blessed. At least you have the chance to own a house at such early age. Whereas, my generation with the 15% deposit and high interest barrier, we don't even have a chance at all

My advice to the youngster now is try to work hard and earn more money. You can always partner your other half and afford the monthly instalment. In the 80s and 90s not that many ladies were as educated as the men, so the ladies were more a burden then. Now, the ladies are a contributor to our household.

Don't blame the free market as a hinder to your dream of owning a house. Be positive and find ways to realise your dream

As the saying goes "if you are born poor, blame your parents. If you die poor, blame yourself"
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The bolded part is the golden advice.

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post Dec 27 2014, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(**** @ Dec 27 2014, 01:50 PM)
The key thing for your case is to buy within your means. . It simply means that if your total income can go for 300k property, please stop dreaming like doggy bear bear wong who would like to get a 700k property with 300k loan capability only.

Not sure about your circles of friends ( no insult of whatsoever ). For the people that I know of, mostly colleagues and high school friends. They all combined their incomes to buy their property. When they bought, they had about 5k to 7k combined income to buy a maximum of 400k property only. Mostly share between brother with brother, or within couples.They all have the same fear, if they dont buy it now, they wont be able to do it in the future. They bought it in 2012 and 2013 mainly when they were 25 to 26 year old.

For your information, the friends around me that have yet to get a property in Malaysia are actually those can be considered above average income earners .  It means 3 years working (from fresh) earning from RM5k to SGD 6k .
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Haha so high SGD? These quality.. you sure or not singapore no talent di..

if you mean factory worker.. few years plus ot.. maybe.. but where is does the future lies forever like that.. 10k SGD is a sure barrier never to hit.. 8k also dun dream.. manager level and very lucky mb..

joker ppl no tell you singapore prop drop meh? Singapore food SGD 3 to SGD 4 can eat di.. here rm6 to 7 .. singapore no inflation meh? Got GST wat..

malaysia many self call price.. kid prove dun talk only
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:23 PM)
Haha so high SGD? These quality.. you sure or not singapore no talent di..

if you mean factory worker.. few years plus ot.. maybe.. but where is does the future lies forever like that.. 10k SGD is a sure barrier never to hit.. 8k also dun dream.. manager level and very lucky mb..

joker ppl no tell you singapore prop drop meh? Singapore food SGD 3 to SGD 4 can eat di.. here rm6 to 7 .. singapore no inflation meh? Got GST wat..

malaysia many self call price.. kid prove dun talk only
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You are so useless, pls stop comparing yourself with others who can earn that much compared to yourself.i.e rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer.

You are no where near them, you are the one eying your ancestors shared land (5% max) and your mum savings.
The most pathetic son can you be?

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Most advice are to corrupt and make believe there is hope in prop.. buy now or pay more.. u ask the flippers buy back the price they sold.. wave middle finger at you..

Some worse.. cant let off their past history.. 200k prop self call to 500k though are in par with 500k purchase like old pj dsl..

some even say economy good that y need QE .. what else?


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f***er doggy bear bear wong is here again to curse the market so that he can plan and afford to buy 700k property with 300k price tag.

Container living is your choice or eat selipar rice. freaking genuine rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer.
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QUOTE(**** @ Dec 27 2014, 02:26 PM)
You are so useless, pls stop comparing yourself with others who can earn that much compared to yourself.i.e rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer.

You are no where near them, you are the one eying your ancestors shared land (5% max) and your mum savings.
The most pathetic son can you be?
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Jealous ? Ur parents and ancestors no work hard lor.. right.. same logic dun blame proo expensive but blame why u income low.. soeculated part ignored..

So I m lawyer now.. how great do you ur friends can earn more if I go there?..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:23 PM)
Haha so high SGD? These quality.. you sure or not singapore no talent di..

if you mean factory worker.. few years plus ot.. maybe.. but where is does the future lies forever like that.. 10k SGD is a sure barrier never to hit.. 8k also dun dream.. manager level and very lucky mb..

joker ppl no tell you singapore prop drop meh? Singapore food SGD 3 to SGD 4 can eat di.. here rm6 to 7 .. singapore no inflation meh? Got GST wat..

malaysia many self call price.. kid prove dun talk only
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Typical loser mentality.. sigh

No wonder still houseless, Green Terrain got drop to 400K or not ? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:29 PM)
Jealous ? Ur parents and ancestors no work hard lor.. right.. same logic dun blame proo expensive but blame why u income low.. soeculated part ignored..

So I m lawyer now.. how great do you ur friends can earn more if I go there?..
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yaya, even my ancestor got a piece of land also i wont dream like you to inherit their land. You rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer with zero English Comprehension skills cannot even get a work permit in SG.

Most likely you can work in Geyland for selling your butt.


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QUOTE(**** @ Dec 27 2014, 02:29 PM)
f***er doggy bear bear wong is here again to curse the market so that he can plan and afford to buy 700k property with 300k price tag.

Container living is your choice or eat selipar rice. freaking genuine rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer.
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Dun joke with me.. ur quality in Singa can do wat? Talk cock like dis also ppl tink you no need..

please prove that I mention 700k.. make up facts.. hope goodview drop 730k to 400k.. where got credibility comments one...

showtime is one of the mind corrupting ones.. ppl know ur show..200k expectcppl to accept it at 1 million..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:32 PM)
Dun joke with me.. ur quality in Singa can do wat? Talk cock like dis also ppl tink you no need..

please prove that I mention 700k.. make up facts.. hope goodview drop 730k to 400k.. where got credibility comments one...

showtime is one of the mind corrupting ones.. ppl know ur show..200k expectcppl to accept it at 1 million..
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Your zero English comprehension skills and lack of common knowledge in almost every field already proved that.

Somemore every day think of inheriting your mum money and ancestor land, how to go SG to work? you need to stay beside mum to poison her mind what.

pathetic doggy bear bear.
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QUOTE(**** @ Dec 27 2014, 02:31 PM)
yaya, even my ancestor got a piece of land also i wont dream like you to inherit their land. You rojak educated brickfields failed lawyer with zero English Comprehension skills cannot even get a work permit in SG.

Most likely you can work in Geyland for selling your butt.
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Dun talk.. show proof if got.. see we know u got no points to argue.. and sexually abused.. 24-7 butt.. sex.. belakang.. ky jelly.. talk so loud.. where have you boufht ur prop.. how much flipper..!

see sure no answer one.. all just talk empty all want offload flip..
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See! I can read your mind, Ah bear bear.
Your v17 not interesting at all, you prefer war tongue.gif
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QUOTE(**** @ Dec 27 2014, 02:34 PM)
Your zero English comprehension skills and lack of common knowledge in almost every field already proved that.

Somemore every day think of inheriting your mum money and ancestor land, how to go SG to work? you need to stay beside mum to poison her mind what.

pathetic doggy bear bear.
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Very funny.. u got wat ability to judge ppk? Vulgar nick? Grow up.. I m sure u know ur standings..

why do I need to do so? I m not cold blood like u.. siblings share also sapu?

talk less lar.. ****..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:23 PM)
Haha so high SGD? These quality.. you sure or not singapore no talent di..

if you mean factory worker.. few years plus ot.. maybe.. but where is does the future lies forever like that.. 10k SGD is a sure barrier never to hit.. 8k also dun dream.. manager level and very lucky mb..

joker ppl no tell you singapore prop drop meh? Singapore food SGD 3 to SGD 4 can eat di.. here rm6 to 7 .. singapore no inflation meh? Got GST wat..

malaysia many self call price.. kid prove dun talk only
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post Dec 27 2014, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:35 PM)
Dun talk.. show proof if got..  see we know u got no points to argue.. and sexually abused.. 24-7 butt.. sex.. belakang.. ky jelly.. talk so loud.. where have you boufht ur prop.. how much flipper..!

see sure no answer one.. all just talk empty all want offload flip..
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as if you can buy a 700k property. Pathetic rojak educated brickfield lawyer.

go eat selipar rice pls, you are so freaking useless. Even your name is being made fun all the time in Property Talk and Lifestyle Malaysia.

FYI, my dad did own a piece of land with my uncle really as a courtesy of my grandad. the piece of land is now owned by a Sdn Bhd and shared by many offs-prings.

Fortunately I do not dream like you. pathetic piece of doggy bear bear wong.

Your proof ?

This post has been edited by cunt: Dec 27 2014, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Dec 27 2014, 02:36 PM)
See! I can read your mind, Ah bear bear.
Your v17 not interesting at all, you prefer war tongue.gif
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Jokers talk like no tomorrow no reply my self conscious barrier cannot laid to rest

advise ur trolls jima jimat use.. prop bad and economy bad next year roadside uncle oso know...
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Dec 27 2014, 02:37 PM)
Very funny.. u got wat ability to judge ppk? Vulgar nick? Grow up.. I m sure u know ur standings..

why do I need to do so? I m not cold blood like u.. siblings share also sapu?

talk less lar.. ****..
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You, can but 700k property with 3.7k salary? eat selipar rice pls.

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