
The Sony Alpha Thread V61, From A to E mount!
The Sony Alpha Thread V61, From A to E mount!
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Dec 23 2014, 05:57 PM
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Dec 23 2014, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Dec 23 2014, 05:42 PM) Can't really have that DSLR grip when handling the A6000 with the kit lens but I have no issues with it. Honestly, the kit lens is a real gem as it's a good lens and it's really compact which is the entire point of getting a mirror less camera. Compare that to a 16-70 Zeiss which is like a behemoth lol. TBH, the *ability* to shoot in low light at low shutter speeds thanks to OSS is actually also a curse if you shoot people. Unless they're standing still, anything below 1/60 (or 1/30 if youre lucky) will pretty much blur the people involved... which can be a royal pain when you actually don't want them to blur out.That shutter speed rule of thumb varies from person to person. Just need to find what shutter speed you're most comfortable using. But keep in mind, it's always better to have a noisier shot that a blur one Haha it's good if you can handhold 1/10 s at 35 mm. Not many are able to do that! But of course the OSS really helps a lot! It's like 3 stops of image stabilisation I in! In which case your only option is to increase the aperture width (not practical most of the time coz of the DOF becoming paper thin), increase ISO (which is the reason people get the A7s) or getting a flash (which comes with its own bag of snakes to tame). If you're just shooting the scene/scenery itself or just like blurring people out for the fun of it like me it's a different story however... Though the SEL35 isn't the best focal length for scene shooting IMHO, the Sig19, SEL20, SEL16 and the superlative SEL24Z is much better for that. The kitty is fine though, FL wise, but for snapshots it takes its sweet time to turn on and extend so you might miss your moment. Otherwise it's a pretty okay kitty, all things considered... especially considering the teeny weeny size. I'm just not a fan of the slow start up and the distortion (which sometimes results in slightly weird stretched out corners with lens correction applied). And yes, lenses being almost comically huge on the tiny A6k is the reason why I'm sticking to primes for now. It's such a waste of its tiny body to stick a huge lens in front of it... However, I wouldn't say the 1670Z is *that* big. You should see the A6k with the SEL16105G, the *old* SEL18200 or the even huger 70200G mounted on it lol. This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 23 2014, 07:13 PM |
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Dec 23 2014, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(albnok @ Dec 23 2014, 05:10 PM) The camera chooses shutter speed this way: Focal length * crop factor = 1/shutter speed So if you are shooting at 35mm, 35mm * 1.5x = 52.5 = 1/52.5s where the nearest is 1/60s. If you use flash, it will not be slower than 1/60s and not faster than the flash sync speed (e.g. 1/160s). The ISO is assumed to be at the lowest Auto ISO will allow e.g. 200. Then the aperture is adjusted so the shutter speed is achieved e.g. F5.6. If it is still too dark, then only will the camera increase ISO. So you don't have a case of the camera jumping to ISO1600 first then setting the aperture to F22. The camera won't set it to F22 la coz that will be darker QUOTE(Eiraku @ Dec 23 2014, 07:02 PM) TBH, the *ability* to shoot in low light at low shutter speeds thanks to OSS is actually also a curse if you shoot people. Unless they're standing still, anything below 1/60 (or 1/30 if youre lucky) will pretty much blur the people involved... which can be a royal pain when you actually don't want them to blur out. Talking about OSS... Do I actually need to turn it off while doing long exposure? I have been doing it with that ON. Maybe I should try out someday and see the difference.In which case your only option is to increase the aperture width (not practical most of the time coz of the DOF becoming paper thin), increase ISO (which is the reason people get the A7s) or getting a flash (which comes with its own bag of snakes to tame). If you're just shooting the scene/scenery itself or just like blurring people out for the fun of it like me it's a different story however... Though the SEL35 isn't the best focal length for scene shooting IMHO, the Sig19, SEL20, SEL16 and the superlative SEL24Z is much better for that. The kitty is fine though, FL wise, but for snapshots it takes its sweet time to turn on and extend so you might miss your moment. Otherwise it's a pretty okay kitty, all things considered... especially considering the teeny weeny size. I'm just not a fan of the slow start up and the distortion (which sometimes results in slightly weird stretched out corners with lens correction applied). And yes, lenses being almost comically huge on the tiny A6k is the reason why I'm sticking to primes for now. It's such a waste of its tiny body to stick a huge lens in front of it... However, I wouldn't say the 1670Z is *that* big. You should see the A6k with the SEL16105G, the *old* SEL18200 or the even huger 70200G mounted on it lol. I probably won't get another zoom lens other than the Kit Lens. Just legacy lenses and native prime lenses. Also feel like doing macro but to make macro easier (for bugs that kind of thing), have to get a longer macro lens like 100mm or more. Sony hasn't got one lens for that though. Just the 30mm F3.5 Some photos for today but it's #throwback 1. ![]() DSC01394 by CJSquare, on Flickr 2. ![]() DSC01391 by CJSquare, on Flickr 3. ![]() DSC01578 by CJSquare, on Flickr 4. ![]() DSC01414 by CJSquare, on Flickr For 4., don't ask me why I chopped off the ferris wheel. I only noticed it the other day~~ |
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Dec 23 2014, 10:47 PM
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My favourite photo today!
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Dec 23 2014, 11:08 PM
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Newbie reporting in!
Hello everyone! I just get a Sony A57 from my bro last few days. Here's the photo I took today, hope you guys can give me some comment 1. DSC08187 by ahkent96, on Flickr2. DSC08192 by ahkent96, on Flickr3. DSC08140 by ahkent96, on FlickrThanks in advance... ^^ This post has been edited by weikent: Dec 23 2014, 11:09 PM |
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Dec 24 2014, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(weikent @ Dec 23 2014, 11:08 PM) Newbie reporting in! Being honest, Hello everyone! I just get a Sony A57 from my bro last few days. Here's the photo I took today, hope you guys can give me some comment 1. 2. 3. Thanks in advance... ^^ 1st photo ; if your subject is placed in more interesting perspective would make photo look different, i can see puddle of water and grass? 2nd photo ; not mistaken its misfocused. 3rd photo ; the color ran too greenish imho. |
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Dec 24 2014, 12:34 AM
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Side-self captured with Sony a7 under low light but pullback shadows and edit a little.
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Dec 24 2014, 03:14 AM
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RX100m3 with timelapse app, stretched to 30% speed. Best viewed in fullscreen 1080p This post has been edited by lwliam: Dec 24 2014, 03:16 AM |
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Dec 24 2014, 08:46 AM
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Sony one utama xmas sales. Anything there?
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Dec 24 2014, 10:16 AM
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QUOTE(ClericKilla @ Dec 24 2014, 12:26 AM) Being honest, Thank you. I will try to improve.1st photo ; if your subject is placed in more interesting perspective would make photo look different, i can see puddle of water and grass? 2nd photo ; not mistaken its misfocused. 3rd photo ; the color ran too greenish imho. |
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Dec 24 2014, 06:09 PM
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Dec 24 2014, 08:49 PM
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Dec 25 2014, 08:53 AM
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QUOTE(weikent @ Dec 23 2014, 11:08 PM) Newbie reporting in! 1. good usage of reflection of subject...Hello everyone! I just get a Sony A57 from my bro last few days. Here's the photo I took today, hope you guys can give me some comment » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Thanks in advance... ^^ 2.i think the t-rex is abit OOF...care to upload the coloured version? 3.nothing much to comment...more like a snapshot to me... we all been through the learning stage...dont give up ya bro.... |
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Dec 25 2014, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(hazril @ Dec 25 2014, 08:53 AM) 1. good usage of reflection of subject... of course i wont... =)2.i think the t-rex is abit OOF...care to upload the coloured version? 3.nothing much to comment...more like a snapshot to me... we all been through the learning stage...dont give up ya bro.... this is the coloured version DSC08192 by ahkent96, on FlickrThis post has been edited by weikent: Dec 25 2014, 12:31 PM |
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Dec 25 2014, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Dec 23 2014, 07:02 PM) TBH, the *ability* to shoot in low light at low shutter speeds thanks to OSS is actually also a curse if you shoot people. Unless they're standing still, anything below 1/60 (or 1/30 if youre lucky) will pretty much blur the people involved... which can be a royal pain when you actually don't want them to blur out. why is it a curse? at least you GET TO SHOOT something, isn't it? It's just not meant for moving subjects but at least you can now have a decently sharp scenery with motion trail on objects that are moving. The photo will have a different impact. |
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Dec 25 2014, 03:31 PM
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Merry Christmas everyone!
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Dec 25 2014, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(Belphegor @ Dec 24 2014, 08:49 PM) The first is with Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8Second and third is with Sigma 30mm f/2.8 EX DN Aperture is f11 for the first, and f2.8 for those that follows. All taken with a6000. This post has been edited by bdrc: Dec 25 2014, 04:07 PM |
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Dec 25 2014, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 25 2014, 12:34 PM) why is it a curse? at least you GET TO SHOOT something, isn't it? Ehem... "... a curse *IF* you shoot people... ... a royal pain when you *don't want* them to blur out..."It's just not meant for moving subjects but at least you can now have a decently sharp scenery with motion trail on objects that are moving. The photo will have a different impact. I meant that when you *intend* to get people in the scene all sharp lar... Most people, especially when they start out, expect OSS to get EVERYTHING (moving people included) all sharp for them at low light... without considering the relationship between shutter speed and movement (and even AF, but that's nothing the OSS can help with already). In short, OSS's 2-3 stop advantage is not a golden bullet. It helps, but there's more stuff to consider than that. It becomes a *curse* when you start thinking it is... or when you forget that it isn't. Like I also said... if you want people to blur out or if you wanna get motion trails *on purpose* for artistic purposes or otherwise than its a different story lah... Though I have found that the bottom end of hand holding *with* OSS (around 1/10-1/5 with the SEL35, depending on how shaky your hands are) is usually only sufficient to blur movement out by a little bit - which is again fine if that's what your intended effect is. Well, IMHO anyway... TBH this actually holds true for most mechanical (and software) stabilisation systems as well, not just OSS. Oh, and merry Christmas everyone. This post has been edited by Eiraku: Dec 26 2014, 02:36 AM |
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Dec 25 2014, 06:38 PM
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Dec 25 2014, 07:24 PM
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