IIRC yes you can but you need to get a HDTV tuner that converts the digital signals back to analog. Someone please correct me if im wrong

I LOL'D at this thread, newbies with no technical knowledge trying to "out-wang" each other. You all lose, SPARC IV wins. RISC's days are dead and over. Even Apple came over to the CISC side. Join Us, We have Cookies. (Although the lines between the last few gens of RISC tech and CISC were pretty blurred)

No matter who wins, You still ain't getting Vista on no damned 360 or PS3

Next Gen consoles are seriously going to be b****es to program for as a few noted parties have asserted. And i'm going to agree with fishy, developers are obviously biased, that's why you have Nvidia's TWIMTBP and ATi's GITG, it's more like a, we pay you money and you program better for our cards, capice?

well said.

The statement about 1080p panels priced as much as a Japanese car is not true. The SXRD Sony RPTVs are prices competitively at 16 grand a piece, that statement in InTech refers to LCD Panels and Plasmas only. The SXRDs are ALREADY available at Sony Style KLCC, as well as MediaPlex KLCC.

Me? Im sitting on my ass waiting for the SED technology to bear fruition. As that article in InTech states, unless you sit any less than 2m from the TV screen, you wont notice much difference, plus motion blurs every screen details which negates high resolution advantages.

.....Or maybe i'll just turn on the impatient side of me and see if i can push the current TV i have now out into the bargain bin and get myself on of those SXRDs. Should have enough for one of those by year end, just in time to settle all this pointless bickering about whether 1080p is "all that" and all.

The point is, even on the "yesterday gen" consoles like PS1 and PS2, games like Vagrant Story on PS1 and Shadow of Collossus/God of War on PS2 looks and plays miles better than their flashier, beefier big bros on next gen machines,.......because of gameplay design and art directions. So , i need these next gen consoles to show me more than lens flaring or multipoint light sourcing to entice me. Gamers of the current lot are overexposed to techspecs blitz-pimping , and want more than just gajillion polygon pushing monsters.Ever wonder why Nintendo E3 booth have waiting line up to 3 hours just to get 15 minutes of play on the Wii? It is no longer about graphic whore mongering, folks!

to me gameplay is the important part in a game which is why ps2 win xbox and xbox360 in term of gameplay why bcos it got the most variety of games and more important it got a lot of RPG games which is why jap ppl go for ps2 so if want graphic i will go to PC since it will beat xbox360 and ps3 in a few month...

What are you trying to say? Okay! Let me rephrase your statement. Game Play is important for you and not the platform. And PS2 win over Xbox and Xbox 360 because of variety of games. PS2 has lots of RPG and that's why those Japs go for PS2 instead of Xbox. And you will choose PC since it will beat Xbox 360 and PS3 in a few month.

Consider this friend. You cannot compare Apple with Oranges. Consoles and PC are very different. PC's technology expands so rapidly even you cannot keep up. Consoles on the other hand are fixed that way until new Next-Gen is released. You do not have to upgrade this and that with console. All games are developed using the same technology and SDK. This is not the case with PC games. If you are stuck with your old graphic card, then New Games may not be playable or playable but with horrible graphics. Try and play Age of Empire 3 with Geforce FX 5200.

And...

PS2 is not comparable with Xbox 360 since PS2 is sixth gen console and Xbox 360 is seventh gen. PS2 and Xbox.. ini boleh compare!!

This post has been edited by necromanser: Sep 30 2006, 07:07 PM

i hope that stays true till the end of the console......line
what with sony(at least ken kutaragi) wanting to make consoles upgradeable,i think if that were to happen,i'd go back to PCs

relax..
but anyway,comparing gameplay/graphics is not fair,but in terms of sales,ps2 still outsells xbox360,right?(correct me if this is wrong... )

Media Create Hardware (from 2006-09-11 to 2006-09-17)
week's sales

1. Nintendo DS lite 139,835
2. PlayStation 2 32,673
3. PSP 23,118
4. Game Boy Advance SP 2,145
5. Game Boy micro 1,186
6. Xbox360 1,109
7. GameCube 763
8. DS 316
9. Game Boy Advance 20
10. Xbox 8

Yes, you are right..infact PS2 outsold xbox360 by almost 32 times.

p/s: lapaq thought that he should contribute some facts in return after having a good laugh reading thru this thread from the begining.

This post has been edited by lapaq: Oct 1 2006, 06:16 PM

Media Create is Japanese site, and those sales number are taken based on console sales in Japan. Of course Xbox 360 sales is way too low.

This US sales chart was based off Aprils figure. As US don't really like to make a weekly tally of their hardware sales there aren't any recent sales figure that I can find.

The hardware sales for US consoles has been released, here's how it broke down, in terms of total unit sales and difference (in percentage) from April:

PlayStation 2: 232,000 ( 12.1%)
Sony PSP: 159,659 ( 17.1%)
Nintendo DS: 145,930 ( 5.4%)
Xbox 360: 221,000 ( 25%)
GameCube: 33,000 ( 13.2%)
Xbox One: 26,000 ( 33.3%)

Don't be mad at me for showing Jap score (seeing that u owned an Xbox360, I can see why . )

Why I gave Jap sales figure? It 's because we are Asian we based our numbers on Japan's numbers.

And you can also see that US figures also gives the same impression. Xbox360 sales aren't that great too. And this is in April where sales of X360 was still strong. Now consoles sales are not that strong as people are in a wait-and-see state for PS3 and Wii launch.

Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/06/09/us-hardw...60-takes-a-dip/

This post has been edited by lapaq: Oct 1 2006, 08:29 PM

I'm not mad because I own a 360. I am interested in Wii & PS3, but I'm holding back till they become affordable or games that I want to play are released on those console (eg, FFXIII, MGS4).

The reason I'm mad is because you're showing Japanese sales, and Xbox 360 are known to be not popular with Japanese gamers.

Xbox 360 is still considered expensive. Other consoles (eg, PS2) are selling at less than a 1/3 price of Xbox 360. That's why older consoles are still selling well. To be fair, why not see the worldwide sales figure? That way we can see the overall picture.

there is no way we can see a worldwide sales figure. as there isn't a body or an org that keep track of the figures. usually, the only way to get a worldwide sales figure is from the manufacturer themselves (i.e. Sony, MS and Nintendo) but we can't really trust them can't we. What we need is figures from a third party like what I have shown you.

And based on the two figures (US & JAP), you can still see sort of the same pattern. NDS and PS2 being on top. Combining the above two figures is the closest that you can get to Worldwide figures. If you are to add in Europe figures, you'll add in Sony figures more...and you'll be even more 'unhappy' as Europe is a Sony land.

Expensive is not an issue here, Why is the NDS selling so well eventhough the GBA is so much cheaper than NDS?

The same applies to PS2 and X360. Just swallow the bitter pill mate. Numbers don't lie

p/s: I'm not against and pro any consoles. i'm still waiting till mid 2007 till I bought me a next gen consoles. That is what I've been doing since the Mega Drive/SNES era. See first how's the support and then Buy me the one with the most game that I want.

This post has been edited by lapaq: Oct 1 2006, 08:57 PM

Too bad with all the waiting and penny pinching, you're missing on tons of great games on the 360. For someone is all about the games, i dont think i can wait for the November release for PS3 to play Oblivion, or wait it out till all three consoles are out just to make a supposedly "wiser" decision of waiting things out. Others do not conform to your trains of thought, and belittling them for going their own way, is a bit on the arrogant side IMO. Or are you "waiting it out" for something else,......the Sparrow clan support perhaps, when you speak of "how the support and then buy yourself the one with the most game you want? Hey, im entitled to the assumption isnt it, since you are entitled to your own assumption about the early purchases of others?

I dont go by the numbers, i go where the games go. Comparing numbers and go where the numbers are, IMO, is shallow and stupid. And i think i speak for most of the guys who went with their purchases here, that they are comfortable with their early purchase, rather than waiting it out "just to be safe" like what you are doing. Why, you ask? Because of the games, my dear informed and "play-it-safe" friend, the games.

The bitter pill for you to swallow is that you are not willing to take a chance, and wait till the masses startes dictating your choice, rather thanmake your own decision on which to go for, since you based everything, including your future console purchase , on numerical figures. I guess, reality does bite back once in a while, sint it?

And oh, before you start classifying me just like you classified MZaidi here as an Xbox 360 zealot, i'll pre-empt you and say that i have mine Wii and PS3 on waiting lists. Maybe it is just me, but i just cant turn to my supposedly "wiser" side of me, like where you did, and wait things out till the dust settle before i decide which console to safe-handingly pick. Because i dont want to miss out on Oblivion while waiting the PS3 versiont o be out, because i dont to wait it out while others are enjoying a healthy, community-building relationship with others on with their online friends in 360. Other consoles will have their strengths and weaknesses, PS3 will have the franchises, while Wii will have its unique gameplay, but dissing others for making their console purchases, just because they did not follow the supposedly "wiser" decision of waiting it out like you did, is a little bit on the idiotic side, if i may say it rather "politely".

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Oct 1 2006, 09:07 PM

I predict the next response would be "oh , its because you are rich, and im poor so i have to wait it out and pick only one console" response.

That excuse is fine by me, but dont start going out dissing other people's decision with their console purchases, or their preferences for that matter.You wanna play it safe by waiting it out? fine by me, but critising others with their spending habits, it getting way out of line here. Nobody's shoving their preferences down your throat, so you should not do the same to others too. Numbers sure dont lie, but then again, Proton outsells other cars here but i dont see much customer satisfaction to be had with that car brand now, isnt it? Opening one's mind and choices to other options, in this case, other consoles and their offerings, IMO will help you be more broad-minded with what's offered by these other alternatives. Sure, you may be stuck on one console due to financial basis, but that SHOULD NOT stop you from appreciating that there are equally enjoyable or BETTER offering on other competing console. Closing one's mind on other options, while glorifying one's own leads to the leading Internet-based debilitating disease known as Fanboyism.

First of all, I'm not dissing so you don't have to be so 'defensive'. it just a matter of kidding/joking (for the lack of a better word 'provoking') with mzaidi. you can noticed that I put a 'wink' at my stmt to zaidi.



I agree.



Thanks for the compliment. I tend to play it safe as I'm not as wealthy as some guys who can buy a console when ever they come out.



This is where you get me wrong. When I gave out them figures, It doesn't mean that I let others dictate what I'm buying up to the point of basing my decision solely on the sales figures. I like to wait for a while to see what are the games that will be coming out and those that have come out.

While it is good that you really liked Oblivion and decided to buy the x360 and play it there. It looks like we share the same passion for great games though I played it using my PC and oblivion is not enough reason for me to purchase x360.

While I don't know why you just bombarded me with all this but I can see how 'defensive' people can be When a certain things is not 'ngam' with them. In this case the Xbox360 sales figure.

The main point that I brought is was that the NDS and PS2 sales is better than that of the X360 and prices is but one of the many reason and not the only reason like what mzaidi said in the previous post.

You can also see that mzaidi quickly jumped at the figures by saying that I purposely used Japan figures because Jap don't like X360 where as I never meant it to be like that.

The reason why I used the figures from Jap is that it is the easiest that I can get off hand cause I have it bookmarked.

and at the last bit of my post, I stated that I'm not into any next gen consoles at the moment as I'm still thinking which consoles will give me the most value for my time and hard earned money. It actually means that I'm not dissing any NDS, PS2, PSP X360 or even GBA owners out there as I don't even own a next gen consoles yet...how could I be dissing them if I myself don't even own anything next gen yet.

Please, Don't turn this into another X360 fanboys Vs PS3 fanboys thread.

p/s: I dont know why but my post counter never goes up eventhough I have posted so many times...anybody knows why?

This post has been edited by lapaq: Oct 1 2006, 09:39 PM

I already said that I am interested in PS3 & Wii, and I'm waiting for games I want to play are available before buying them. Launch games doesn't interest me that much, and most of them are available on Xbox 360 that I already own, so I can play them without forking out more money. When there are PS3 or Wii exclusives that I want comes out, I'll get the console at that time.

FYI, I'm not an Xbox fanboy. I do own all three consoles (Xbox, PS2, GameCube) from previous generation, and intend to the same this time.


No offence, but I just don't like it when you said;



when it is known fact that Xbox 360 is not popular with Japanese.

At least when you see the US' sales (or the worldwide sale if we can find one), the figure is not so bad.

As for why your post count is not increasing, look here.

Thanks for the info on the post counts zaidi...

Glad to hear that you've taken no offence and my apologies should you felt 'uneasy' with my post.

In buying them next gen consoles, The only thing that is stopping me from buying now is to see the PS3 Network support. if it is as robust as X360 then I'm buying the PS3 but if it is somewhat inferior to X360 live then buy X360 first.

Then, the moment I can afford another console, I'll go for X360...Wii can wait...Unless they come out with something that I really want.

It is good to clarify, and from your post, things look a bit clearer now isnt it? <------------------compulsory wink to make sure, everyone gets it that im "provoking" you as well.

The fact is, the future is still unwritten with the next gen consoles. And history also shows that you cannot depends on past history to predict the distant future. If you have been in gaming forums often enough, and not only a particularly polarized forums like the cordoned sections we have here ( PS2/Xbox/Gamecube for their respective fanatics, and with only very few who traverse between three of them and hold equal objectivity and likings to all three of these consoles ), you will see that the interest in PS3 and its launch lineup is lukewarm at best, while overwhelming Wii is THE Christmas present everyone wants this year. This is a total opposite to the last gen when PS2 was THE item to get .

My point here is that, you are comparing apples and oranges. you are comparing sales of Xbox 360 against a well-established current gen console/portable which has proven track records and established IPs and franchises. Of course the adoption of new technology is going to be slower than a current technology everyone's comfortable with. Do you see people rushing to buy HD-DVD/BluRay drives/players now, when they are comfortable with their DVD players? And that figure you posted is way back in April, which is 6 months AFTER the initial launch of the xbox 360, i urge you to dig up the info during those launch periods and post them here for a much more fair comparison. And i dont have to post about Xbox360 dismal performance in Japan. A US 360 launch window sales figure would be a fair comparison.

As for the sales figure discrepancy between a next gen console and a next gen portable, of course people feel more comfortable parting with the lower priced item, than a more pricier item. also, bear in mind that the installed userbase for the NDS is larger than the 360, and from human nature, people feel more comfortable flocking to the subject that more agree or subscribe to than the unconventional but radical ones. Only a couple few, see beyond the usual, and see the potential a newer technology hold, while the rest waits and see if the tech is mass-adopted by the Average Joes and Janes. Some are meant to pioneer, others are meant to be followers.....

I somewhat agree that Wii is THE christmas gift and and PS3 launch lineup is lukewarm at best. But for PS3 IMHO the following 2-4 month after the launch is where most of the better games will start to come out.

That is why I'm waiting till mid 07 to make up my mind.



after reading this a few times, I still don't get it as to why you brought up this point. I never compare between the two to prove anything. I'm merely replying to a post by, mgsrulz. I totally agree. You can't compare between ps2 and X360. you can compare ps2 and X1 or ps3 and X360 or NDS and PSP (though NDS and PSP is not exactly Apple-to-apple)

As for you last para, Generally I have nothing to comment.



But for the above stmt, I can only say good for you to think so...please excuse me for a few minutes to have a good laugh

Hey, that pioneer/follower statement holds true to one of the machine you considered, the PS3 innit, its Bluray and all? Im just saying that as a broad general statement, not directed at particular invidual, rather its directed at these console devs in particular.

Fine for me if you want to play the waiting game, but some rather not let the opportunity passes them by. Heck, i'd say that you pay extra for that extra few months of experiencing what the best these consoles have to offer, so it's a fair tradeoff for me. *shrugs*

I mean, i get your stance on playing the waiting game, but we all dont think alike. Those who got their consoles early are not necessarily more lavish and brash with their expenditure, some are more passionate about the games they play, which made them get their wanted console early. Nothing to do with their financial status whatsoever, we have school students and struggling young parents that does not fit into the "rich" category. Maybe these folks are more passionate about their games than you? I mean, people prioritize their lives according what they can and cannot live without, and what they have to get ASAP and what they can abstain (read: puasa) from getting, maybe your gaming priorities arent as important as these folks?

P/S: Of course, priorities all go down the drain once Sparrow-branded discs are widely available, since you can easily use-and-throw these items thanks to their nature.