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stringfellow
post Oct 2 2006, 07:08 PM

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LOL seems like if you cant get the guy, you get them by his marital status? Your Indah Water tak bayar ke, until run out of ideas? Even dig up old dried wells to bring up dried-old threads.

Nice quotings of my post though, you make a great picture framemaker one day when/if you decide to quit yer scurvy pirating one of these days.wink.gif Too bad all qoute and no response makes even Davy Jones a dried salted calamari. laugh.gif Try a little bit more substance in your post next time, aku puasa gaks, tapi i got my post filled with things to talk about. Tiptoeing around your post to make cause seem legit eh? Gambatte, you can do better than that!

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post Oct 3 2006, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(lapaq @ Oct 2 2006, 01:03 AM)
Well, I has been good discussion string...It is great to know that there are still a fellow forumer like you which are very engaging and enlightning to 'chat' with.till we meet again.

p/s: lapaq is  not a very frequent visitor of this forum. He only visits when he got nothing else better to do and since he still don't have enough money to replace his lost VGA card, he will remain bored as he can't continue playing Oblivion which has actually sucked his life away till his wife 'merajuk to balik kampung kalau tak berenti main oblivion'.
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Play with wife ler!!! Why play crappy boring Oblivion!!! And how the heck did u lose the VGA card? Wife steal ur card is it so u can't play anymore?? LOL.

Stringfellow: Hey stop insulting Captain Jack Sparrow already!!! It's one of Johnny Depp best performance and Jim Carrey has said it is the best performance he never did!!

Hee...hee...more off topic goodiness. btw, what were we talking about??

Oh yeah...something about the TV being flat or something...yeah..

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post Oct 3 2006, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Oct 2 2006, 01:11 AM)
Play oblivion until no time to play with the wife LOL
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this is worst than having an affair sweat.gif ... the wife beaten by a xbox 360 game .. sweat.gif
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post Oct 4 2006, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Oct 2 2006, 07:08 PM)
LOL seems like if you cant get the guy, you get them by his marital status? Your Indah Water tak bayar ke, until run out of ideas? Even dig up old dried wells to bring up dried-old threads.

Nice quotings of my post though, you make a great picture framemaker one day when/if you decide to quit yer scurvy pirating one of these days.wink.gif Too bad all qoute and no response makes even Davy Jones a dried salted calamari. laugh.gif Try a little bit more substance in your post next time, aku puasa gaks, tapi i got my post filled with things to talk about. Tiptoeing around your post to make cause seem legit eh? Gambatte, you can do better than that!
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what ever makes you sleep at nite man laugh.gif
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post Oct 4 2006, 03:31 PM

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Hey i smell a rotten fish here...oh..its him again....reminds me of MGS3 where he eats the fish....Snake....better eat the "fish" before he rots"

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post Oct 8 2006, 07:47 AM

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This is so off topic.. lol
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post Oct 8 2006, 03:20 PM

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Point is no matter how good Xenon/s or Cell is. My quadcore with ILP, 4gb of RAM and Tripleplay cross fire wins, plus i has a keyboard and mouse. Geez you people can't even argue about rendering modes without getting your facts right. He're a tip dahlings when it comes to rendering these days, nothing is done native.
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post Oct 8 2006, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 8 2006, 02:20 AM)
Point is no matter how good Xenon/s or Cell is. My quadcore with ILP, 4gb of RAM and Tripleplay cross fire wins, plus i has a keyboard and mouse. Geez you people can't even argue about rendering modes without getting your facts right. He're a tip dahlings when it comes to rendering these days, nothing is done native.
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With PC games, you don't have a "native" resolution although the game developers would probably optimize for a certain resolution range. This is because the game has to support a wide variety of hardware. With consoles, game developers tend to target a particular resolution because the hardware is all the same and there is no reason to complicate matters unnecessarily. So console games render at a single "native" resolution internally, regardless of what the output format is. They just have the video scaler scale the images up or down to display on the screen. This is also why i have no trouble believing that the 360 can do 1080p internally because to do 1080i, you're already doing most of the work for 1080p because you still have to do the geometry passes etc for the entire frame. The scaler is simply outputting the even and odd lines on every other frame. What i wasn't sure of was whether the video scaler could output such resolutions, but apparently it can.
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I've thought of something like slamming a http://www.joystiq.com reply on all fanboys. Works nice, right?

And empire23, the PC loses out on a lot of architecture specific op-tee-my-zay-tions. And of course the graphics under scrutiny viewed from a PC monitor than a TV (distance)


Offtopic "IMHO" slightly-ever-biased-BTW-comments:
Really wonder how special that "p" is at 1920*1080. At 640, it'd work wonders. Not anymore. (And no, flaling arms at a sensor bar is just like having TrackIR- mootpoint. Don't slam me!)

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post Oct 8 2006, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Oct 8 2006, 04:12 PM)
With PC games, you don't have a "native" resolution although the game developers would probably optimize for a certain resolution range. This is because the game has to support a wide variety of hardware. With consoles, game developers tend to target a particular resolution because the hardware is all the same and there is no reason to complicate matters unnecessarily. So console games render at a single "native" resolution internally, regardless of what the output format is. They just have the video scaler scale the images up or down to display on the screen. This is also why i have no trouble believing that the 360 can do 1080p internally because to do 1080i, you're already doing most of the work for 1080p because you still have to do the geometry passes etc for the entire frame. The scaler is simply outputting the even and odd lines on every other frame. What i wasn't sure of was whether the video scaler could output such resolutions, but apparently it can.
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If it can it can like i say. The whole point of this thread is moot. IIRC either way, the great big question i wish people would ask is, how good is their rendering method compared to XXX console. Not about the resolution itself.

QUOTE(X.E.D @ Oct 8 2006, 04:31 PM)
I've thought of something like slamming a http://www.joystiq.com reply on all fanboys. Works nice, right?

And empire23, the PC loses out on a lot of architecture specific op-tee-my-zay-tions. And of course the graphics under scrutiny viewed from a PC monitor than a TV (distance)
Offtopic "IMHO" slightly-ever-biased-BTW-comments:
Really wonder how special that "p" is at 1920*1080. At 640, it'd work wonders. Not anymore. (And no, flaling arms at a sensor bar is just like having TrackIR- mootpoint. Don't slam me!)
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Optimizations? Hehehe, we have Nvidia TWIMTBP and their annoying optimizations and that's enough for me as an ATI user. For me, i'm much more PC centric as in that people make optimizations on a more general basis, although industry trend is going the other way.
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post Oct 9 2006, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 8 2006, 05:21 AM)
If it can it can like i say. The whole point of this thread is moot. IIRC either way, the great big question i wish people would ask is, how good is their rendering method compared to XXX console. Not about the resolution itself.
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If they can't even understand simple concepts like native resolution, i doubt they will be able to understand different rendering methods laugh.gif
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post Oct 28 2006, 03:56 AM

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wah .. deparaya passed oredi .. so please continue lah ... no fun without this thread .. woR !!
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post Nov 5 2006, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(nikonk @ Sep 23 2006, 02:54 PM)
never seen the PS3 in real life, no point do the prediction.
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Lately, i've touched and played with the PS3 in Sony Showroom in Ginza,

Japan. thumbup.gif

I was amazed with the solid construction & the beauty of it ~ the graphics are

amazing ! Can't wait to have one ..

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post Nov 6 2006, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(bose00 @ Nov 5 2006, 07:33 PM)
Lately, i've touched and played with the PS3 in Sony Showroom in Ginza,
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Can we have some picture please thumbup.gif tongue.gif
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post Nov 11 2006, 01:16 AM

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so has anyone tried the 1080p thingy ... assuming there are games in the market made rendered in 1080p ..
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post Nov 11 2006, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Nov 11 2006, 01:16 AM)
so has anyone tried the 1080p thingy ... assuming there are games in the market made rendered in 1080p ..
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I've tried the 1080p mode, but it displayed awkward aspect ratio. Well, that's to be expected since I'm using normal 4:3 ratio monitor that doesn't officially support 1080p mode tongue.gif
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post Nov 14 2006, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Nov 11 2006, 02:33 AM)
I've tried the 1080p mode, but it displayed awkward aspect ratio. Well, that's to be expected since I'm using normal 4:3 ratio monitor that doesn't officially  support 1080p  mode tongue.gif
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and if anyone is interested .. 1080p LCD TVs can be obtained at <>RM15,000 .. >40in .. Sony Bravia .. few months back the cheapest 1080p was over RM25K (from Sharp)
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post Nov 14 2006, 01:15 PM

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Honestly, 1080i or 1080p is not noticeable if you have a normal 40 inch LCD or Plasma tv, it is only noticeable if you're using like 46 inches and above, for normal sized LCDs, 720P is good enough. Don't take my word for it, try asking a noob to tell you the difference between 720p, 1080i, 1080p on a 32 inch Sony Bravia LCD tv, they couldn't tell a difference, if you have rear projection tv with the size of 100 inches and above, then that's different. So, it might be an overkill to have 1080p for a 32 inch model but of course, there are companies going to release 1080p native mode for smaller models next year but what's the point if our eyes can't notice the difference and for XBOX 360's case, when you bump the resolution to 1080i and 1080p, you'll experience some performance hits, I guess the console wasn't made to render games at full HD, with 512mb of shared memory, what can it do to render games at such resolutions, normal high end pc cards have a dedicated 512mb and above for their graphic cards excluding the system ram in our rig. I guess nowadays most people have around 1GB of system ram. For pcs, running at such high resolutions is a piece of cake but XBOX 360 is a console, not a pc so it's forgiveable if it starts to max out at 720p resolutions. For games, framerates are more important than resolution, I wouldn't want to play NFS Carbon at 1080p if the framerates are choppy. rclxub.gif

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