It seems like more likely that XBox 360 WILL beat PS3 in rendering games in 1080p. It has been revealed that some 360 games, (Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, confirmed, and Call of Duty 2, Dead or Alive 4 awaiting confirmation) will be rendered at 1080p once MS updates XBox 360 dashboards around the world. If the said come before 17 November, XBox 360 will beat PS3 to render games at 1080p. And all this while, Sony is the one who hypes 1080p when MS kept quite about its "embedded" 1080p feature in XBox 360 and games ..





http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....889#post8494889

never seen the PS3 in real life, no point do the prediction.

funny IGN thinks other wise..

isn't that the developer of Lair thinks, not IGN.

rendering power is secondary compared to the list of games that is coming out for that console

i am not trying to be mean but which part of the quote says that, XBox 360 wont beat PS3 in rendering games at 1080p?

oppps my bad. haha

how does rendering sequence work?? power processor? video card? ram bus speeds?? if the game cant even be made available on the xbox360.. wouddnt it mean tat the ps3 gives a more raw processing power? so in short. how can a xbox360 beat a ps3 in rendering.. esp in 1080p?? and didn u know whn thy launched the xbox360 it was said it could only go as high as 1080i... now only after some software updates could it reach 1080p.. correct me if i am wrong.

there wasnt any point hyping 1080p (when MS first launch 360 because there wasnt any 1080p display at that time!)

i am not saying that that 360 will beat PS3 in term of rendering 1080p. (God PS3 is not out yet so comparison cannot be done). I said 360 might do 1080p FIRST (BEFORE) PS3 even in the market if MS manages to get the dashboard update before 11 Nov.

Err.... so you believe 100% some developer who is justifying his choice for a platform? This isn't Carmack you know.

how can u say that the availability of the 1080p dispay is wat restricted xbox360 frm saying is supports the 1080p.. thn how did ps3 ADVERTISE tat it could support it thn!??!! tats a very ridiculous statement to make.


i would like to think the game developers hv the better edge of stating somthin rather the a forum tat speculates.. so yr statement that the ps3 is not out yet. it already is my dear frien. jus not in the market. its been tested and running around already. if u know where to search.. ULL be astonished!!!! welcome to sony man..

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 23 2006, 11:00 PM

Great, it's out already, just not in the market. So the point of making something you don't sell is....? Nvm, it's a rhetorical question.

Game developers want to promote their agenda. If you are to believe the game developers, then according to Unreal series developers the Radeon 9xxx series was not better than the Geforce 5xxx series. Reality was that the Geforce 5 series was a failure, as admitted by nvidia themselves later on. Similarly if you ask the people at Valve, they will never admit that anything nvidia could be better than anything ATI.

So far i think the Carmack is the only trustworthy one because even when he was developing on nvidia and under their sponsorship for his Doom project, he admitted the facts. He's even critical of the current consoles including the xbox360 which he is developing on.

So know who to trust. Of course you have to be somewhat technically inclined to be able to separate the facts from the trash.

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Sep 23 2006, 11:29 PM

this post acts as a warning to u. Another word similar to "ridiculous' or 'nonsense' especially from people who make posts that u did, would lead me to report ur 'personal attack' to the mods.

and to counter ur illogical post, Sony also said there will be a worldwide launch this November. They also said that there will be 2mil units of PS3 available at launch. The also said that PS3 games will be 1080p when we know that some game developers would do 720p games. That is the same company that hype 50GB BD disk movies (yet nearly half year .. still no sign of the disk in the market). The same company that hyped BD as "beyond definition" then put numerous crappy (slightly better than upscalled DVD PQ) BD titles to consumers. The same company that speaks as though they are the king of all CEs yet incapable of producing simply products such as laptop battery, causing injuries, fire hazards and more than 6mil laptop recall worldwide in less than 4 months. Do u want me to continue !!!!!

oh yeah .. lets continue ..

the same company that publicly blaming Samsung Bd player for the poor PQ of their Sony Picture movie titles. U know what, BD movie titles from Warner Bros look amazingly good on the same Samsung BD player !!!

the same company that publicly claimed that MS' XBox 360 wont do 1080p rendering (just upscalling) eventhough when 360 is not updated yet (Sony have no way of knowing if the 360 do 1080p rendering) yet, the make public claim of the opposite.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Sep 23 2006, 11:58 PM

let me lay this out for you in the best way possible i can.. considering it took u awhile to answer technical questions in time intervals especially with huge edit times leading me to conclude u are still searching for information to give out your point.. so here goes...

here it shows inmaturity (dont take it personally-ill explain more of wat u claim are personaly attacks).. reason being you cant seem to tie previous post to the topics being discussed. my reply of the PS3 already out and running especially the development kits and hardware testers rather thn it being out in the market was because YOU said that

which obviously is NOT true cause u are already trying to hide from yr own point. COMPARISONS can BE made.. you jus dont wish it could..


come on man.. who are u trying to kid here.. we all ofcourse know that the GF5 series didnt make it reason being its costly and not power sufficient per-cost ratio.. tats why it didnt last long in the market.....

here is the kicker.. if u know... NVIDIA is more into games with DirectGL where as ATI Direct3D... unreal engine are based more on the Direct3D.. so i really cant figure where u getting this source frm??

its like comparing doom 3 using the ati and nvidia.. tats why its called a nvidia game reason being u get better performance using a nvidia card rather thn a direct3d card..



My reasoning here is.. becaused u used a forum to back wat u created this topic in the begining is totally uncalled for. and whn i tried to site a game developer with proper sources.. u start to bombard my statement without any proper referencing.

uh like wat facts?? u are not stating anything.. jus the word "facts".. all his projects are openGL based..xbox360 which uses an ATI card is a more direct3d compatible card.. u might say both cards support both API's already.. but its all dependent on the firmware and software.. but now?? thy are pretty much still seperated..

so yr point here is??? carmack surely has to be critical about the xbox360 lo.. look at my statement above..

i bet u are technically incline.. no wonder u could point out yr facts "right" from wrong..





oh..are those words an offend to you?? so if yr statement is "untrue".. i wonder wat kinda words i can use thn??? kudus another "brilliant" malaysian. and by you stating this..

isnt a personal attack.... is it?? .. my conclusion to this is that u are taking things too seriously. it kinda offended u in some way MOST people would termed it a Discussion.. but i guess u are jus one tat wouldnt take peoples comments and rather stand on yr ground without factual sources. or maybe you're jus incompetent


sure i do.. i luv to see u rant about somethin so totally unrelated.. wat does the battery hv to do with rendering at 1080p?? esp injury and all.. man u surely are off-topic here.

and for yr info.. there is already BD disc in the market.. its been out since early may 2006..


and for yr info.. again.. this is due to the microprocessing chip found in the samsung BD player which caused allot of hype esp consumers like u to think that sony is to be blamed.. come on man. read more articles.. it helps. and i think i know where you got yr sources frm the AVS forum..

well read this thn bet you it goes against wat u hv there.
bluray

conclusion. its still the player. if not why the firmware? do u hv proof of wat u are saying? where are the pictures???

and another quote.. for all the companies tat are still using sony's batteries despite wat had happend?? wat would u call tat thn? i call it client's loyalty.. if u know.. there are numerous call backs.. cars like honda, toyota, GM hv done it bfr. so wats so unusual? so as long thy dare to announce the problem, fix it rather then hide it. yr facts are obscure..


the market didnt claim the opposite my man.. THEY claimed it thmselves.

x-box360 1080i

another here

x-box 360
where is the 1080p??

look under HD era.. do u see a 1080p?? given TAT facts.. why shouldnt SONY use tat against their competitor??

want to look wat sony has to say???

ps3 1080p
ps3 -specs -1080p

if sony's could already knows wat their hardware could perform.

and xbox not quiet sure on that topic. and still require new updates/firware/software.. tell me.. who has the better edge?!!

so my honest opinion is.. dont take things to personal.. there are times whn u need to step back and look at a clearer picture and learn frm yr mistakes. because of one thing.

THERE CAN ALWAYS BE SOMEONE WHO IS BETTER THAN YOU ARE

cheers mate. dont get to feisty.... life is short.

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 24 2006, 01:15 PM

Wow, for someone who's telling someone else not to get offended, that was rather charged

Anyway, i'm at a loss. I can't even find a starting point to rip apart your sorry excuses for arguments. I'll just state a few random facts i guess.

1. GF5 sucked because its shader performance sucked, simple as that. The rest are just side dishes.

2. Epic has always been nvidia biased. Read all the relevant interviews over the past few years and it's not hard to see this. Similarly Valve is ATI biased. Carmack is definitely more platform agnostic compared to them, and he also gives good technical feedback, which makes his comments the most valuable among the developers.

3. Yes i am very technically inclined, and graphics is one of the things i happen to know quite a bit about, else i wouldnt be able to design a gpu FP MAC

^ basically its pointly talking to that guy. that is why i no longer see his posts ... I used simple English to say that Xbox 360 might beat PS3 at rendering 1080p because some of the 360 games that are already in the market are made rendered in 1080p. This guys then for what ever reason accused me of claiming that 360 will do 1080p rendering better than PS3. I corrected him saying that he misinterpreted my post but give wont give up !! and come up with statments like this



basically i have concluded that this guy take Sony's press statements and every word from Sony's people as phrases in the Holy Book.

You do claim that 360 will do better 1080p rendering than PS3. See the thread's title.

TS, a simple edit of topic to "360 can/will do 1080p 1st" will suffice

erm, no need to take things personally, consumerism FTW!

this is because
XBOX 360 = ati
ps3 = nvidia
just my almost useless 2 cents..ATI fan...

some people just never read the post content .. that is one of the reasons i claim that news paper headlines are important .. people just read the title .. if paku karat read my post he will notice that :



see see ... its all about the context ..

ofcourse you are lost man. you are already bringing up everythin tat is not related to the topic..

1. why are u bringing in GF5?? did I bring in anythin unrelated? maybeu should mention about GF3 too since thy didnt work out well either

2. For crying out loud man.. all i am saying is.. you are getting your sources frm some forum without any proof or citation to say tat the "360 to beat PS3 at rendering 1080p".. which is by the way yr topic title .. jus incase u didnt know. you WERE standing on yr point from a FORUM, i GAVE quotes. get the giff?? maybe not..

3.OOOOO.. for someone to be able to think tat he is. his actions/words doesnt seem to speak wat he really is. tat means, for someone like me who does not NEED to design a gpu FP Mac. would only mean one thing.. if i join wat u are doing, it would PUT YOU OUT OF JOB>

come on man. firstly i think you should properly restructure your sentences. cause frankly half the time i dont know what you trying to say. i think its "pointless" rather thn pointly.

wat u mean by "you no longer see my post?" you completely ignore my posting? awwwww somthin you couldnt comprehend? or yr mind is jus too shallow for it?

you didnt use the word "might" you said "to beat" which means in the future or anytime soon. thy WILL beat. come on man. did yr english teacher do a piss poor job? or was that part heavily on you?

i DIDNT ACCUSE you. YOU made the statement YRSELF!!! get the fact straight first.. let me refresh yr memory

rings a bell??


another remark frm our kudus malaysian. i didnt take the sony's press as a holy book. i am jus going against yr "statement" that the 360 can even beat the ps3 interms of 1080p.. whn microsoft didnt even themselves think thy could.. sony already knew thy CAN ..

is tat jus to hard for u to comprehend?? nvm i guess u are such a hard headed tat everythin u say is right. well our fellow lowyatians doenst seem to think tat u are. so really.. learn frm this. everyone makes mistakes.


totally agree. our dear friend cant seem to understand the topic title in the first place. (and guess wat he created it).. now he is going against his own statement, trying to wriggle his way out of his own hole.. KUDUS to u man ikanayam..

This post has been edited by ruztynail: Sep 24 2006, 09:15 PM