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Frosty-Snowman
post Sep 24 2006, 07:12 PM

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QUOTE(dobson @ Sep 24 2006, 03:17 AM)
That bad huh? Does this apply to the IT personnel too?
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Yes especially for big MNC firms.. IT bigwigs also do so but you really work your butt out. There is nothing you can say holiday or break on the weekend until your work or the work is done. When you expect to get RM 3K for your first pay-cut, you need to understand, the money they pay you means you take in more responsibilities. Whether you can take those reponsibilities or not, they actually don't care how you manage it, all they care is you don't screw up.
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post Sep 24 2006, 09:06 PM

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^ can get 3K in first pay-cut, geng

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post Sep 24 2006, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(skyliner66 @ Sep 24 2006, 01:38 AM)
but u wil nid to work very very long hours everyday...n during peak period u wil nid to suffer even longer working hour til midnite or next morning everyday... tongue.gif
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i can assure you this is a myth... does not happen to everyone.. probably only certain ppl would need to do this... probably 5% of the entire staff of any big4 mentioned above...

I can absolutely assure you on this. I work in 2 big4 companies before
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post Sep 25 2006, 12:09 AM

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er... cis.. my bad...y did i mention kpmg twice? keke....
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post Sep 25 2006, 09:20 AM

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Anywayz... last week there's an advertisement on THE Star Saturday from EY.... Last Saturday.. there's an ad from PWC from The Star...


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QUOTE(cktwai @ Sep 24 2006, 09:43 PM)
i can assure you this is a myth... does not happen to everyone.. probably only certain ppl would need to do this... probably 5% of the entire staff of any big4 mentioned above...

I can absolutely assure you on this.  I work in 2 big4 companies before
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For PwC - intake is 12 months a year, so apply as soon as you can

For IT grads with accounting minor - You can try for the IT auditor position.. SPA (Systems Process Auditor) in PwC

I'm not sure about the other big 4, but the starting pay ranges from RM2.1k - 2.2k for normal auditor (those with Masters degree freshie are paid higher) while SPA auditors gets paid slightly higher.. about RM2.3k

And about that dispeling the myth on working late nights.. cktwai, come on... i agree with you that it doesn't happen to everyone, but you got that 5% on the wrong side. 95% of auditors has at least once worked pass midnight before. But this only happens during peak periods. The larger the company you audit, the longer the working hours as more sections and responsibilities are given out.

Large companies - Listed in KLSE, financial institutions, MNC

OF course, if you were to audit a medium sized or smaller firm, you'd be going home much earlier than the rest of the population.
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Think the most intensive and stressful of the lot, is Accenture. They love high profile tasks, presentations, documentations, late nights, weekends, etc.

Their pay supposedly the highest too.
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QUOTE(shipal @ Sep 25 2006, 11:46 AM)
Think the most intensive and stressful of the lot, is Accenture. They love high profile tasks, presentations, documentations, late nights, weekends, etc.

Their pay supposedly the highest too.
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Agreed! although it is not one of the big 4 though, and also not auditing.. Accenture used to be Arthur Andersen consulting arm... AA dimakan oleh EY di...

How much is the salary for freshies ar? Heard it's RM4k...once confirmed staff, salary is much much higher. Anyone can confirm?
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QUOTE(kaynemil @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 AM)
For PwC - intake is 12 months a year, so apply as soon as you can

For IT grads with accounting minor - You can try for the IT auditor position..  SPA (Systems Process Auditor) in PwC

I'm not sure about the other big 4, but the starting pay ranges from RM2.1k - 2.2k for normal auditor (those with Masters degree freshie are paid higher) while SPA auditors gets paid slightly higher.. about RM2.3k

And about that dispeling the myth on working late nights.. cktwai, come on... i agree with you that it doesn't happen to everyone, but you got that 5% on the wrong side.  95% of auditors has at least once worked pass midnight before.  But this only happens during peak periods.  The larger the company you audit, the longer the working hours as more sections and responsibilities are given out. 

Large companies - Listed in KLSE, financial institutions, MNC

OF course, if you were to audit a medium sized or smaller firm, you'd be going home much earlier than the rest of the population.
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hahaha... maybe coz you're in PWC or EY ? hehehehe biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(kaynemil @ Sep 25 2006, 11:51 AM)
Agreed!  although it is not one of the big 4 though, and also not auditing.. Accenture used to be Arthur Andersen consulting arm... AA dimakan oleh EY di...

How much is the salary for freshies ar? Heard it's RM4k...once confirmed staff, salary is much much higher.  Anyone can confirm?
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It's 3.5k for fresh grads...
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QUOTE(cktwai @ Sep 25 2006, 01:20 PM)
It's 3.5k for fresh grads...
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3.5K for freshies ? ohmy.gif Thats alot.

Are you referring to Accenture or what?
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QUOTE(viper_1129 @ Sep 21 2006, 04:24 PM)
no peeps. its
1) Ernst & Young
2) PriceWaterhouseCoopers
3) KPMG
4) Deloitte

are you an IT grad looking for job in these companies? PM me if you're interested.
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If I am not wrong, in Malaysia it should be

1) PriceWaterhouseCoopers
2) Ernst & Young
3) KPMG
4) Deloitte
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QUOTE(Dern @ Sep 21 2006, 04:19 PM)
left out accenture
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Accenture is not an accounting firm.
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QUOTE(curlyfries @ Sep 25 2006, 01:46 PM)
3.5K for freshies ?  ohmy.gif Thats alot.

Are you referring to Accenture or what?
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There is another thread in this section on the pay. It has changed already recently.
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post Sep 26 2006, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Mavik @ Sep 25 2006, 01:51 PM)
If I am not wrong, in Malaysia it should be

1) PriceWaterhouseCoopers
2) Ernst & Young
3) KPMG
4) Deloitte
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Agreed, and globally, PwC is still the tops..

Globally:
1) PricewaterhouseCoopers
2) Deloitte
3) KPMG
4) Ernst & Young

(dunno whether KP or EY 3rd)
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QUOTE(hellokitty82 @ Sep 24 2006, 01:26 AM)
you sure can be above 3k for freshies???  shocking.gif  shocking.gif
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i'm IT grad, can say im a freshie (grad in May & previous working experience is 6 months internship and abt 5 months with a small IT company), i didn't work with the big 4 but my current organization pays me abt RM 3k +, so yeah depending on skills,personality and qualifications, fresh grads can get good pay smile.gif.
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QUOTE(shipal @ Sep 25 2006, 11:46 AM)
Think the most intensive and stressful of the lot, is Accenture. They love high profile tasks, presentations, documentations, late nights, weekends, etc.

Their pay supposedly the highest too.
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But Accenture results are quite koyak. Now most of its client end users complain that Accenture buat kerja syiok themselves only and end users all died miserably. Waste their budget for nothing concrete. Pay high, result koyak.
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QUOTE(Frosty-Snowman @ Sep 27 2006, 12:17 PM)
But Accenture results are quite koyak. Now most of its client end users complain that Accenture buat kerja syiok themselves only and end users all died miserably. Waste their budget for nothing concrete. Pay high, result koyak.
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wat u mean "koyak"??? and if thy all "koyak" where thy get their business frm?
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post Sep 27 2006, 01:00 PM

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oh, then it is a outsourcing company only ?

QUOTE(Mavik @ Sep 25 2006, 01:54 PM)
Accenture is not an accounting firm.
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post Sep 27 2006, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(kaynemil @ Sep 25 2006, 11:32 AM)
For PwC - intake is 12 months a year, so apply as soon as you can

For IT grads with accounting minor - You can try for the IT auditor position..  SPA (Systems Process Auditor) in PwC

I'm not sure about the other big 4, but the starting pay ranges from RM2.1k - 2.2k for normal auditor (those with Masters degree freshie are paid higher) while SPA auditors gets paid slightly higher.. about RM2.3k

And about that dispeling the myth on working late nights.. cktwai, come on... i agree with you that it doesn't happen to everyone, but you got that 5% on the wrong side.  95% of auditors has at least once worked pass midnight before.  But this only happens during peak periods.  The larger the company you audit, the longer the working hours as more sections and responsibilities are given out. 

Large companies - Listed in KLSE, financial institutions, MNC

OF course, if you were to audit a medium sized or smaller firm, you'd be going home much earlier than the rest of the population.
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i dun think those with masters degree are paid higher.. i know a colleague of mine who got masters still get paid the same as everyone else.. about spa.. i dunno.. i think same also la.. but SPA is boringgggg

i've work passed midnight before. even until morning.. even 2 sleepless night LOL.. that's just right after 1 month i worked.. and it's still happening.. midnights are normal to me now.. feel so lifeless.. and it's not even peak..


QUOTE(cktwai @ Sep 25 2006, 01:19 PM)
hahaha... maybe coz you're in PWC or EY ? hehehehe  biggrin.gif
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hmmm.. untrue, i have friends in KPMG who works late also.. deloitte, no comments,

i would rank big 4 in malaysia as

1)PwC
2)EY
3)KMPG
4)BDO

LOL.. where is deloitte? tongue.gif jz jk

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