PWC's Ranhill (June YE) and TNB (Aug YE). just because some companies year end is Dec doesn't there's no work to be done.. there are plenty of big companies which quarterly review/audit is performed...

Put yourself in a senior's shoe. What are their concerns? Your development, or getting the job done? Is it more efficient for him/her to do it herself? Granted I myself would take a balanced approach and spend some 15 minutes to coach, but not all seniors would share that view when they realise you're just gonna be here for 2 months or so and the work you can do is capped as you're just a VT.

Everyone wants to learn and 'do' more things. But are you capable of it? And of course, was a trust established? I don't sugar coat my post nor apply ambiguous points which tells you really nothing. As a VT you're not going to learn that much as you think you would. Put it this way - people who've had 6 months VT training were what, on par with everyone else who did not. Very evident during the training sessions. Not because they suck but simply because they have not been given the opportunity to do anything further than a simple 2 buck company AWP. Or some casting (which is an essential skill don't get me wrong - partners themselves do it). Or photocopying.

However with some hope that you get a senior with an eye for people, and yourself being good in your deliverables... (case in point: yes I did take recommend such a VT do assist in performing valuations), you may well leave your internship being much, much wiser. Too bad we can't force you guys to stay past 5.30, otherwise we'd probably make you get sick of accounting firms too - just like how 99% of us feel. Don't count on it though.

XD, at least I more assured that there are things that to be done. Thanks.

Thanks for insights. I sort of never thought of it that way. Will bear those things in mind when during internship.

Peak period is da best time for our learning process, appreciate it peep instead of complaining!

This post has been edited by limshenghong: Apr 1 2010, 01:03 AM

As an ex-intern, all I can say is show dedication. Always asking questions, and offering your help on matters that may not even concern you is a good way for your seniors to teach you. I was blessed in a sense that during my industrial training with a Big 4, I was assigned to 'shadow' a manager, meaning all my assignments for the 6 months would be under her. Thus, the seniors working under her (and over me) knew that I would be around for quite some time, and would most likely be working with them in two or three different projects. Thus, they taught me alot of stuff in the beginning, so I could help them do real audit stuff Month 3 onwards.

Of course, it matters that you show initiative, keep offering to help do things, even if it may seem it is over your head(Trust me. If it's too important, they won't let you do it. But if they think that you can handle it without screwing up too much, they'll let you do it. Less work for them ma.) Enthusiasm and competent work should win them over, and you can get whatever learning experience you wish.

Just be careful what you wished for.

Is it a culture in malaysia that even if you finished your work early (efficient) they will keep on pumping work for you so that you "need" to go back around midnight. Yeah if its a project based (with deadline) work is never ending, but does boss these days view people going back early as lazy though they finished their job substantially ? I think it applies to different gender as well. Thats why certain managers have certain preference when comes to choosing staff. Some want male while some wants female.

Does this happens too in EY? Though I heard that as long as you finish the work given, then its no problem whatever you do after. Its definitely prevalent in KPMG as those seniors cannot tahan seeing you not doing anything after you finish your work. They must always see you onto something. There was once I was doing my work in the laptop using softcopies. The team leader came and 'advise' me to do something and not slack off cuz she did not see any files on my desk . So you see, sometimes you also must act a bit, put a bunch of god damn files on your desk, make it look messy and people would think that you are actually doing something.

Hi guys there’s a question I need your enlightenment

1. If a student had just completed his/her internship with a particular big4 and later after graduation he/she intends to work for tat particular big4 firm does it indicate that he will be automatically absorbed into that big4 firm as permanent staff i.e. audit or tax associate without going through interviews and numeric/verbal/psychometric assessment?

2. Besides, If a student have phobia for interview and there is no guarantee tat d student will do well in d assessment test + his/her degree is only a 3rd class honour, will it b a smart move for tat student to apply for internship 1st 4 any one of the big4 firm then later work 4 tat particular same firm as permanent employee without going thru the interview and assessment hassle? If is not possible is there any alternative in order to circumvent the interview process?

Thanks.

The problem is work can never be finished, finish one, another will come in. Efficiency will be rewarded with even more work. Instead of giving one work at a time, they give the entire file, "You are responsible for the whole company now". Thing is after that, they too have higher priority work like consols, draft,...... so your work is less priority ...... as audit are measured in overall progress so do their work first then only can continue with mine, brrr.

Consol > 100 companies is a very s*&# job.

My desk is already like a garbage pile but theirs are like mountain heap of dung.

Well, it's ... not a done deal, i think. I had my internship, and after that my employment was rather straightforward (phone interview for a while) compared to my other new joiners that had to have interview with partners.

On the other hand, I do know of ex-interns who didn't manage to gain employment with the Big4 firm they had interned with previously.

It's a mixed bag la, i guess.

Usually at the end of your internship you will be asked to submit evaluation form(s) filled and signed by your senior/manager in charge before they send you the testimonial. The feedback from your evaluation form(s) will most probably determine whether they will give you a conditional offer pending on meeting certain academic requirement upon graduation. I know that in EY KL you would still have to attend an interview session with the HR Director although from what I gathered, it's usually in a pretty casual/relaxed manner plus you get to skip the earlier stage of interviews one usually has to go through.

Hi there,

Those anyway interview with BDO or E & Y recently? How are their working environment? can share abit? Thanks

Haha I do reckon that EY has da best flexibility and best suits youngsters, MSN, sulfing, facebook and all are not banned or prohibited as long you completed your works on time.

This post has been edited by limshenghong: Apr 4 2010, 08:11 PM

EY Rawks! =P

How much they pay you for this comment?

Haha... Waiting for you to promote me
got da enthusiasm and dedication to continue for a long long time, it all depends on how da firm treats me actually...

Which is never, ha ha

Hi, anyone has any idea about deloitte interview process?may i know what essay topic will be tested?thanks

Paid with work.

Haha, if they keep on pumping jobs to you, wouldn't you feel happier? This could mean you are wanted! And when it comes to promotion, evaluation, theres always a reason to justify why you should be a 4-5 star rating.

Furthermore, the more jobs you do for different seniors/managers, it also helps alot as you would know more ppl around the office. More tasks/jobs taken up could also show your capabilities and willingness to help.

Haha, peak is fun, and tiring in a way. 7th job so far! Inclusive of listed companies, MNC, and small jobs here and there. Can feel the learning curve going way up. Can't wait for my 1 week+ leave in June =).

On the job allocation, what do you guys prefer, working with guys or girls colleagues / mixture of both? Sometimes a whole team full of guys ain't too bad too, can talk shit the whole way!