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 Arsenal Street Talk - 2013/14 FA Cup Winner, ARS 2-1 WHU | S.Cazorla & D.Welbeck

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post Dec 8 2014, 08:42 AM

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QUOTE(Mondo Socialist @ Dec 8 2014, 02:52 AM)
I don't get how people are still saying wenger out in the middle of the season. so you want wenger to leave in december and then what ? have an interim manager? get behind the team lah dulu, pastu wait until the end of the season and judge, kalau masih buruk baru wenger out lah. then we can find a new manager (but highly unlikely). but i hope this wengerout movement is going to make him change his tactics and not be so naive.
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I am in the WengerOut camp, BUT I want him to leave at the end of the season, not now. Enough is enough, time to say our goodbyes and part ways, Mr. Wenger. Of course I will never ever forget what he has brought and done for our club all these years.

I wanted him to leave since winning the FA cup last season because IMO it was the only rational thing to do, bring glory to the club one last time and retire with pride. But no, instead he got a 3 year contract extension and now the club is in such state, him leaving would only put a bad taste in AFC's glorious history. But sooner or later, it has to be done. Since I don't see a way or any way Wenger could adapt and change his philosophies on football, so I don't think another 2 seasons with him will bring any/much benefits to us, Arsenal Football Club.

Btw, before the start of this season, Wenger said our aim was to challenge for the title this season.
and now, he said our aim is to secure top 4 in the league. See that? Same old, same old.
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Dec 8 2014, 08:42 AM)
I am in the WengerOut camp, BUT I want him to leave at the end of the season, not now. Enough is enough, time to say our goodbyes and part ways, Mr. Wenger. Of course I will never ever forget what he has brought and done for our club all these years.

I wanted him to leave since winning the FA cup last season because IMO it was the only rational thing to do, bring glory to the club one last time and retire with pride. But no, instead he got a 3 year contract extension and now the club is in such state, him leaving would only put a bad taste in AFC's glorious history. But sooner or later, it has to be done. Since I don't see a way or any way Wenger could adapt and change his philosophies on football, so I don't think another 2 seasons with him will bring any/much benefits to us, Arsenal Football Club.

Btw, before the start of this season, Wenger said our aim was to challenge for the title this season.
and now, he said our aim is to secure top 4 in the league. See that? Same old, same old.
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I absolutely agree with your sentiments but please, timing is key. We have to get behind the team while the season is going on and that includes Wenger.

I have a question to ask you, do you have the solution to what we should do once we've gotten rid of wenger ?
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Mondo Socialist @ Dec 8 2014, 09:22 AM)
I absolutely agree with your sentiments but please, timing is key. We have to get behind the team while the season is going on and that includes Wenger.

I have a question to ask you, do you have the solution to what we should do once we've gotten rid of wenger ?
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It depends on who's available and willing to come to Arsenal as well. If Klopp, Pep or whoever else is interested for the job, I would say why not? But of course, it all depends if a good manager wants to come in the first place. That is why its best to wait till the season ends before doing a change in management. At least get to see if there is any proven managers in the market at the end of the season.

I wouldn't call it a solution, because no one can be sure if the next appointed manager after Wenger could solve the problems. (Moyes at MU)
but at least, we would see a change. Is the change necessarily good? Nobody knows until we actually go through the changes first. But what is certain is, it isn't necessarily bad. Changes would have to occur sooner or later anyway in order for our club to progress, so why not now than later.(by now, I mean when the season ends of course)

Let me ask you back a question then. Are you not tired of the same old thing that has been going on for almost 10 years now with whatever Wenger's policies is at the club?

-start of every new season, aim to challenge for the title. By the middle of the season, objectives changed to trying to secure a top4 spot in the league.
-reluctance to spend $ to improve key departments within the squad, primarily the defensive roles. Come on, we only have 2 CORE CB's in our club and the rest are just wannabes. Chambers came in as a RB, but is moved to play as a CB, albeit him being better there as evident in games but still lack the necessary experience to command the defence appropriately. Monreal a LB has been slotting in multiple times as a CB? Seriously? Is this the works of a 'top club'?
-zonal marking during set pieces, enough said.
-further to top that, we lack a specialist CDM or someone who can boss and command the midfield area to protect our already vulnerable CB's.
-the inability to retain top top players, while not solely Wenger's fault, but as a manager, surely he has to do a better job than to just allow them to leave.
-his tactics and strategy is just very stale and old to me. (starting 11 choices, substitution choices, poor timing of substitutions and players he bring on/take off)
-a general reluctance to change and adapt to current footballing ways. Still sticking to his philosophies of what he deems 'beautiful football' or 'the way football should be played', which just doesnt work any more these days.
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Dec 8 2014, 08:42 AM)
I am in the WengerOut camp, BUT I want him to leave at the end of the season, not now.
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you will regret..in the end of the season if arsenal achieve something we will forget about 'wengerout'..same thing every season..i think if wenger buy one or two good player this january 'wengerout' movement will faded quickly..hehehe
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Mondo Socialist @ Dec 8 2014, 09:22 AM)
I absolutely agree with your sentiments but please, timing is key. We have to get behind the team while the season is going on and that includes Wenger.

I have a question to ask you, do you have the solution to what we should do once we've gotten rid of wenger ?
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tbh, that question should be answered by the club. the power is not in the hand of the fans.
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post Dec 8 2014, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Dec 8 2014, 09:52 AM)
you will regret..in the end of the season if arsenal achieve something we will forget about 'wengerout'..same thing every season..i think if wenger buy one or two good player this january 'wengerout' movement will faded quickly..hehehe
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When we won the FA Cup, I (and many more felt the same way) wanted Wenger to retire with his pride in tact. At least on a good memory after serving the club for so long.

So, NO. Not everyone will be WengerIN even if we win something or buy some big players.


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post Dec 8 2014, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Dec 8 2014, 09:55 AM)
When we won the FA Cup, I (and many more felt the same way) wanted Wenger to retire with his pride in tact. At least on a good memory after serving the club for so long.

So, NO. Not everyone will be WengerIN even if we win something or buy some big players.
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arsenal board definitely WengerIN..not much pressure from the board except comment from usmanov..but i agreed he should retire or maybe move to other position in arsenal management and choose his successor..
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post Dec 8 2014, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Dec 8 2014, 09:54 AM)
tbh, that question should be answered by the club. the power is not in the hand of the fans.
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but the fans will have a say in deciding manager's fate in a club. imagine an empty stadium on a match day for example.

QUOTE(LordDenning @ Dec 8 2014, 09:55 AM)
When we won the FA Cup, I (and many more felt the same way) wanted Wenger to retire with his pride in tact. At least on a good memory after serving the club for so long.

So, NO. Not everyone will be WengerIN even if we win something or buy some big players.
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This. AW shuda chose to retire for good after that facup victory. he's been here for quite some time now, and now he said to give him 3 more years to win the bpl trophy by 2017? so wat has he been doing between the last time ur team won the bpl trophy until today?
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Dec 8 2014, 10:09 AM)
but the fans will have a say in deciding manager's fate in a club. imagine an empty stadium on a match day for example.
This. AW shuda chose to retire for good after that facup victory. he's been here for quite some time now, and now he said to give him 3 more years to win the bpl trophy by 2017? so wat has he been doing between the last time ur team won the bpl trophy until today?
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Btw, im having problem looking at your stars.
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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Dec 8 2014, 10:09 AM)
but the fans will have a say in deciding manager's fate in a club. imagine an empty stadium on a match day for example.

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yup. i'm replying to his question "once we've gotten rid of wenger". not even at that stage yet.
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wenger still has it in him to win the league, dont forget we were top of the league for the longest time last season, until we got ravaged by injuries. problem is he seems to not care that we will almost never have a fully fit squad, will run players down to the ground due to no rotation. i mean why do we even have podolski rosicky and campbell if he's not going to give them as rotation players?

i'm not sure i want him out, he can still win the league, but something's gotta change with the transfers and injuries.
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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Dec 8 2014, 11:26 AM)

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really bad performance from BFG..he was nowhere near his position when stoke score 1st goal..just watching crossing to krkic for stoke 2nd goal..not marking crouch when krkic take a corner kick and walter got his goal..
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QUOTE(ohhisee @ Dec 8 2014, 12:27 PM)
really bad performance from BFG..he was nowhere near his position when stoke score 1st goal..just watching crossing to krkic for stoke 2nd goal..not marking crouch when krkic take a corner kick and walter got his goal..
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BFG without Koscielny is like he lost his left leg or something.

And Arsenal without Bosscielny is basically no defense
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QUOTE(Azurues @ Dec 8 2014, 12:31 PM)
BFG without Koscielny is like he lost his left leg or something.

And Arsenal without Bosscielny is basically no defense
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Giroud without welbeck also not looking good, when welbeck and giroud both in the pitch, someone is going front, so giroud got som one to pass his ball upfront, when welbeck not in all the player are behind giroud. SO as well as welbeck he need someone like giroud to be infront to hold or pass ball to him, thats why our attack is better when giroud and welbeck are both in the pitch.

the players are like they are born together. Chemistry ~?
looking forward next match~COYG~!!

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post Dec 8 2014, 01:51 PM

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pro-Wenger & Wenger In members are MIA.
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MIA my ass. We are always here.
But sometimes it feels not worth to leave a reply here.

Ko tu pun muncul seminggu sekali, bg prediction, lps tu kalau Arsenal menang, senyap.
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QUOTE(raizo7 @ Dec 8 2014, 01:51 PM)
MIA my ass. We are always here.
But sometimes it feels not worth to leave a reply here.

Ko tu pun muncul seminggu sekali, bg prediction, lps tu kalau Arsenal menang, senyap.
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Hahah yeay way to go! flex.gif
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post Dec 8 2014, 02:08 PM

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And now because of some idiots, the entire fanbase became a laughing stock.
For all what he has done to the club, I can't even think what makes him deserve to get such abuses. Ffs some so called supporters, tak tau bersyukur lgsung.

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