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post Nov 22 2015, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 22 2015, 01:25 PM)
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try look 4 dahon society in fb ....its thailand group...n many racun there too.....hehehe

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wanna ask anyone upgrade their chainring before, mine is 52t/42t
If upgrade to 55T/44T , is it compatible?
front derailleur is Shimano FD2300
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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 23 2015, 05:37 PM)
wanna ask anyone upgrade their chainring before, mine is 52t/42t
If upgrade to 55T/44T  , is it compatible?
front derailleur is Shimano FD2300
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What is the advantage you seek? If you want more higher gears (faster but more power needed) then 'YES' . If you want more range, you won't get more lower gears, only more higher gears and also you will lose a few lowers. The normal standard is 52/39T. Some cannot even push that hard and wants more friendlier and accommodating gears use what they called , " compact crank " which is 50/36T. So,again, what is it that you seek? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(etigge @ Nov 23 2015, 07:36 PM)
What is the advantage you seek?  If you want more higher gears (faster but more power needed) then 'YES' . If you want more range, you won't get more lower gears, only more higher gears and also you will lose a few lowers. The normal standard is 52/39T. Some cannot even push that hard and wants more friendlier and accommodating gears use what they called , " compact crank " which is 50/36T. So,again, what is it that you seek?  hmm.gif
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Apparently speed smile.gif
My current speed top at 30kmph, and there are too many low gears that i think will never use.
Or maybe i shouldnt upgrade since the bike won't be stable as those bigger bike. Still thinking about it.
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post Nov 23 2015, 07:58 PM

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I have another Dahon Vigor rider asking me about front moddings. I would reccommend doing the front end only since the Vigor is already 9 speed. What will be needed is,

01. The pair of shifter, left and right. Both 2 speed or 3 speed left shifter can be used, no problem. Too bad, the Vigor uses SRAM X4 right hand shift and a SRAM s500 rear derailleur. And our market suppliers, they don't have
stock for this shifters. SO, it's is hard to find 9 speed SRAM shifters unless you trawl through the used market which is also hard to come by. SO, suggestion, get Shimano. They come in Accerra and Alivio for mountain
bike shifters and road bike, it is Sora. Then another problem, these cannot be used for SRAM rear derailleurs so you have to change the RD as well rclxub.gif

02. Add a 39T chainring onto the existing crank/chainring set. Pretty standard.

03. Front derailleurs, many to choose from. SRAM Apex (the cheapest SRAMs) and then Shimano 2300, Sora, Tiagra, 105 , Ultegra and off course Dura Ace.

04. The FD adapter. A contraption to mount the FD onto the seat tube.

05. Off course the housing and cable for the extra left hand side shifter.

So, simple right rclxms.gif The above means you have an old SRAM right hand shifter and also a RD lying around. Try to sell it to another foldie rider who wants to upgrade to 9 speed, especially those 7 speeders.

Now, the above will cost about RM650 and if you cannot offset the price by selling off the 2 items, then that's the cost! Here's the deal, to get a SRAM X5 set up for item 1,2,3,4,5 and also a 10 speed cassette(X5 is 10 speed) and also X5 10 speed chain with the X5 RD listed as item 1, it might cost about RM850 or near there! So, another RM250 will get you 2 X 10 speed. This will effectively mod your Vigor into a Vector P20! rclxms.gif

Then again, rclxub.gif another RM200 again will upgrade your bike with a full Tiagra 2 X 10 speed Shimano drivetrain. The list goes on and on and on. This rider also ask me why not go up to 2 X 11 speed. Here's my answer,

" I haven't tried using 11 speed before on the foldie but it's because I am not very sure if the narrow chain can bend onto the whole width of the cassette and the main reason is a foldie's chain stay is shorter than a road bike. This makes it hard to get the chain to bend from the bigger chain ring onto the biggest cog at the rear, and also you need another special hub for 11 speed. Also, it is expensive which I feel it really don't add much advantage for a foldie. Unless off course the "WOW!" factor. "

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post Nov 23 2015, 10:58 PM

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was wondering if this raleigh visage model is legitimate ?

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QUOTE(adrive @ Nov 23 2015, 10:58 PM)
was wondering if this raleigh visage model is legitimate ?
ur bike?

not bad the frame got visc gaya... biggrin.gif
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post Nov 24 2015, 12:31 AM

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sram mtb shifter does work nicely with road component.i had sram x5 (3x10) shifter couple with sram force rd and sram red fd on my verge.

unlike shimano setup on my speed p8,
i used before deore shifter (3x10) with 105 rd + fd and the shifting are sucks! in only can use 8speed on my 10speed casette as i had to carry another 2 extra cogs coz it cannot be used at all. until finally i upgrade the shifter using tiagra shifter (2x10) and works like a charm.few of my friends also said that the tiagra shifter also cannot shift nicely with ultegra or duraace component as u will need to find the rapid fire shifter.(forgot what model, as i can recall ettige had been used it before)

i do agree with ettige as sram are hard to find older component for 8speed and 9speed, but their shifter pull ratio between mtb and road are nearly the same.the different is the speed when shifting.u wont notice the lag of few seconds in shifting afterall..

as ettige suggested, i definetly will upgrade to 10speed on the vigor either shimano or sram as the component for 10speed are quite cheap after the 11speed had been released.

loose some, win some.both brands got pros and cons imho.bydaway i also got sram and shimano setup on my foldie..

55/44t?i cant pedal that ratio on 20" bike unless it was on my 16" bike.why?my leg are weak coz i cant pedal 53+11 for about 20km with maintain speed 30km/h laugh.gif

as the answer for the fd is "yes".u can use the fd for that chainring setup and as long as the crank are 130bcd with 130bcd chainring they should not be any problem after all.meybe few alligment for the fd to shift nicely with the new chainring setup

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QUOTE(H2D @ Nov 23 2015, 11:22 PM)
ur bike?

not bad the frame got visc gaya...  biggrin.gif
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Friends.. Yeah looks cool but I thought normally Raleigh word should be capital letter
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QUOTE(ssyycc @ Nov 23 2015, 05:37 PM)
wanna ask anyone upgrade their chainring before, mine is 52t/42t
If upgrade to 55T/44T  , is it compatible?
front derailleur is Shimano FD2300
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I think its best that u try the bike with bigger chainring to see if u feel comfortable with it or not. Then decide what u wanted.

I am using 56/46t, change from stock 52/42t and the stock claris fd still can be used, just need some adjustment.
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if change from 52/42 to 50/34, just change the crankset & adjust other parts?
..or... need to change other parts also? if yes, what parts that involved?

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QUOTE(oxygen_ @ Nov 24 2015, 11:40 AM)
if change from 52/42 to 50/34, just change the crankset & adjust other parts?
..or... need to change other parts also? if yes, what parts that involved?

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You just need to lower down the FD or might not even have to do anything else, just change the crank/chainring. The capability of the FD depends on the limitations of the FD to jump how many cogs, eg. 52T to 39T is 13 cogs. I think the maximum is 16 cogs, if I am not mistaken. So, 53/39 is OK but 53/36 is not, else, I would have done so. It would have become a hybrid of normal and compact crank. Even on a triple which varies from 30T to 42T and finally 53T the biggest is a jump of 12 cogs and 10 cogs respectively.
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QUOTE(adrive @ Nov 24 2015, 07:42 AM)
Friends.. Yeah looks cool but I thought normally Raleigh word should be capital letter
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how much is that bike?
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post Nov 25 2015, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(H2D @ Nov 24 2015, 01:21 PM)
how much is that bike?
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800++. Raleigh confirmed is their new 2016 model
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post Nov 25 2015, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(etigge @ Nov 20 2015, 06:55 PM)
Seems the latest Dahon Qix has landed on our shores. News received that it is already in the warehouse and should be delivered to Kimbell Jaya by next week. rclxms.gif  This is the latest fold following the success of the Dahon Jifo and Dahon EEZZ 16 inch bike. They now took the same fold technology and made a 20 inch. Looks good and the price it seems is slightly less than 3K, though not confirmed. The Jizz which is available in Singapore was selling almost 3K after exchange.

In dilemma now. To get this or to wait for the Dahon Curl. This it seems can be modded to 20 speed  drool.gif
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Hi Sifu Ettige,
May I know what's the advantage of vertical fold? Does it fold smaller? At first I was attracted to Dahon eezz because the fold size is similar to Brompton. What about Dahon qix? Gearing wise, I would prefer qix more than eezz. Pls advice. Thanks
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dont think qix size is smaller, it is just a new joint invented by dahon...
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Nov 25 2015, 10:30 PM)
Hi Sifu Ettige,
May I know what's the advantage of vertical fold? Does it fold smaller? At first I was attracted to Dahon eezz because the fold size is similar to Brompton. What about Dahon qix? Gearing wise, I would prefer qix more than eezz. Pls advice. Thanks
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This lies somewhere between Speed and the rest and the Brompton but the Dahon Qix is a 20 inch so it folds bigger. That must be given consideration. The Qix also has the advantage of easier rolling on flat surfaces but it won't help at all in our place where we have to carry up and down stair cases unlike in other countries ramps are made for the disabled. This fold technology was researched for the Jifo and with it's success, they extended it to a normal 20 inch model, hence the Dahon Qix.

I just like the fact that it folds vertical, it takes less space than my former Speed. Eg, in trains, going slightly up vertically actually does not matter but a bigger footprint will. So the Qix has a smaller foot print than other conventional 20 incher. I also take consideration that modding a 20 speed is easy on the Qix. That's my main criteria. Also, next year , I am riding from Incheon to Busan in Korea and I actually plan to stop over in Hong Kong to check out Bromptons ( EPF withdrawal time rclxms.gif ) but if the Qix is OK, with the 20 inch wheels and 20 speed , it would be most ideal. Hopefully, 2 bikes won't weigh above 30 kgs. Maybe I will try to target 24 kgs for 2 bikes!

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post Nov 26 2015, 05:56 AM

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Sifu, that Qix looks like any Dahon standing up. I bet if you can fit that rack to a Speed, it can do the same. Can I ask why you need 20 speed? The Incheon to Pusan route seems fairly flat?
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QUOTE(desastar @ Nov 26 2015, 05:56 AM)
Sifu, that Qix looks like any Dahon standing up. I bet if you can fit that rack to a Speed, it can do the same. Can I ask why you need 20 speed? The Incheon to Pusan route seems fairly flat?
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Suprisingly, the Dahon Qix is slightly bigger in dimension when folded compared to the Dahon Speed. It's a kilo lighter though than the Speed. But if you mod some road bike components on it, maybe you shed another kilo or so. I saw the Jifo before when it was ridden by another rider and was quite impress with the new vertical fold. It looks so simple without much protruding parts of the bike sticking out. Maybe this might make me building the flight case easier later on. Anyway, I have tried the Speed before and maybe I try another. When it hit the store later, I might not even like it, who knows? hmm.gif Then if the time comes, when the Curl is still hard to get, then I will settle for Bromptons from Hong Kong. Used ones that is! I think they are available there. But my dislike for 'B' is the limitation on the gearings. Only way out is the Rohloff but with that you need to change the whole rear triangle which is very costly.

You should see the ride contour of the bike lane in Jeju island, my destination after reaching Busan. A ferry over only. This is the bike lane in Jeju island. Anyway, the bike is not for Korea alone, still I need to ride around Malaysia. And the extra gears are really handy laugh.gif

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