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Folding Bicycles v4 - Not only Folding Bikes, Folding bicycle discussion
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Blackbird
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Sep 23 2015, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(mizi28 @ Sep 23 2015, 08:27 PM) So i just sold my MTB.going to buy folding basikal tomorrow. my budget is <RM1K I only have Trinx KA2016 in my mind.anyone can suggest other option? I just bought 2 Trinx Ka2016D from Kimbell just now. Didn't hv a chance to test it yet but built quality and folding mechanism look sturdy. Gonna test it tomorrow.
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mizi28
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Sep 23 2015, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(Blackbird @ Sep 23 2015, 09:22 PM) I just bought 2 Trinx Ka2016D from Kimbell just now. Didn't hv a chance to test it yet but built quality and folding mechanism look sturdy. Gonna test it tomorrow.  Do u mind to share the price u bought from kimbell?
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PaulKong
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Sep 23 2015, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Sep 23 2015, 07:39 PM) Thats odd, im able to do so. I'm not in Msia so unless there are countries they wont send to? Shipping is CAD198 I tried again just now and I'm able to get in. Funny that the other day I'm unable to get in. Anyway, do we pay first and wait for the bike or we just book until they ready to ship the bike, then only we start paying.
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basilgan
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Sep 24 2015, 05:37 AM
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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Sep 23 2015, 10:12 AM) 2 of my friend using 11-36 10speed casette one using the medium cage on 406 (shimano 8speed for roadie - below sora spec), few tuning on the chain and the rd nearly touch the ground one person using shimano deore long cage rd with 451 wheelset and also fit.the rd also near to the ground but never touch it. but for me 32t is the max for folding even on 451.u can used 11-32 10speed casette.if im not mistaken sram has it (that time im scouting for 11-28 10speed casette) but those casette are really hard to find nowdays.. recomended 32t@30t with medium cage, 34t@36t with long cage.but i do notice 1 think, the long cage rd shift slower that the shortcage.. all of my bike using the shortcage rd, even my speed p8 with 12-30t casette. my 2 cents big thanks to u sifu azam..saw tiagra 11/32t on sale at bbs.....oh ya, Selamat Hari Raya Haji to u and all the muslim frens here...
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basilgan
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Sep 24 2015, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Sep 23 2015, 12:34 PM) My wife's velo and my Dash uses the Tiagra 12/30T cassette. Both of us were suing 11/28T (maximum for 105s and Ultegras) but then after riding Genting Peras, it's more convenient to use the lower grade Tiagras which is the only one that has 12/30T cassette. It's does not matter to us, sacrificing the 11T as it is not usually used anyway. A ratio lower using the 30T is more used actually for climbing. One or even better 2 ratios lower will save your butt when climbing when it is our age! Off course, unlees you want to invest in the latest 11 speed 105s or Ultegras which has 11/32T. Hahahaa.  thanks sifu....... on my minivelo i am using the ultegra 12/30t which i managed to get at bbs. cheers
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 23 2015, 11:02 PM) I tried again just now and I'm able to get in. Funny that the other day I'm unable to get in. Anyway, do we pay first and wait for the bike or we just book until they ready to ship the bike, then only we start paying. Ive spent a bit of time reading the feedback and it seems that once you have pledged, the system will debit your credit card with a "fee" to confirm and then on the 1st Oct, will debit the rest. They should have made the payment side of things clearer. Seems that they can still change specs before they start production. At the moment, looks like they have decided on a 42t chainring and a 165 cranks, not sure how well that will work. I thought perhaps getting a single speed then upgrade yourself. Problem with that is the rear hub will need to be replaced. Do I really need this bike? Hmmmm
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PaulKong
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Sep 24 2015, 06:48 AM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Sep 24 2015, 05:50 AM) Ive spent a bit of time reading the feedback and it seems that once you have pledged, the system will debit your credit card with a "fee" to confirm and then on the 1st Oct, will debit the rest. They should have made the payment side of things clearer. Seems that they can still change specs before they start production. At the moment, looks like they have decided on a 42t chainring and a 165 cranks, not sure how well that will work. I thought perhaps getting a single speed then upgrade yourself. Problem with that is the rear hub will need to be replaced. Do I really need this bike? Hmmmm I also spend quite a bit of time on the comment section and it seems the fee charge are not charge. They just want to know if your card is working. No charges whatsoever will be bill in your card. However, I'm not sure when they will start charging the whole price. Is it on 1st October when the project take off or when they start delivering the bike. It's tempting to get this bike. I've actually pledge to buy a 10 speedster yesterday after reading the whole project. 😄😄😄
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 24 2015, 06:48 AM) I also spend quite a bit of time on the comment section and it seems the fee charge are not charge. They just want to know if your card is working. No charges whatsoever will be bill in your card. However, I'm not sure when they will start charging the whole price. Is it on 1st October when the project take off or when they start delivering the bike. It's tempting to get this bike. I've actually pledge to buy a 10 speedster yesterday after reading the whole project. 😄😄😄 Well, sounds like you are more likely to be the one writing a review on the Helix. My predicament is my current fleet of bikes, 3 700c wheeled bikes and 4 small wheeled bikes, in all variation of gear options. I've run out of parking spaces. As they are all different, I wouldn't really like to dispose of any one in particular
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PaulKong
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Sep 24 2015, 08:58 AM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Sep 24 2015, 08:18 AM) Well, sounds like you are more likely to be the one writing a review on the Helix. My predicament is my current fleet of bikes, 3 700c wheeled bikes and 4 small wheeled bikes, in all variation of gear options. I've run out of parking spaces. As they are all different, I wouldn't really like to dispose of any one in particular  What about the tax? One the terms and conditions, it's not inclusive of tax in Malaysia. Normally how much will they tax? Kind of worried about that.
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 24 2015, 08:58 AM) What about the tax? One the terms and conditions, it's not inclusive of tax in Malaysia. Normally how much will they tax? Kind of worried about that. You'll have to check with Customs to see what rate of duty is applicable to bicycles, and then you'll have GST on top of that. That is at least how it works in Aust. Our A$ is sliding as fast as the RM and my fear is it will be worse next year. So if payment is due then, goodness knows how much it will end up costing! If the project had launched 12 months earlier, the A$ would have been on par with the USD !
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etigge
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Sep 24 2015, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 24 2015, 08:58 AM) What about the tax? One the terms and conditions, it's not inclusive of tax in Malaysia. Normally how much will they tax? Kind of worried about that. Any bike with smaller than 26 inch wheels cannot be considered as sports equipment ( non taxable ) , so it is taxable. But many has avoided, how I don't know. Some send it to Singapore and ride in but the tax is not much, 10 to 15 percent, I think. This post has been edited by etigge: Sep 24 2015, 10:04 AM
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PaulKong
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Sep 24 2015, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Sep 24 2015, 10:04 AM) Any bike with smaller than 26 inch wheels cannot be considered as sports equipment ( non taxable ) , so it is taxable. But many has avoided, how I don't know. Some send it to Singapore and ride in but the tax is not much, 10 to 15 percent, I think. Yes.. Just found out the tax is @25%. And on top of that with gst of 6%...... Hmm... It's not cheap anymore 😥😥😥
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Sep 24 2015, 10:04 AM) Any bike with smaller than 26 inch wheels cannot be considered as sports equipment ( non taxable ) , so it is taxable. But many has avoided, how I don't know. Some send it to Singapore and ride in but the tax is not much, 10 to 15 percent, I think. Interesting, so we are all riding "toys" LOL No wonder the lycra mob refuses to take us seriously! kkk
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 11:14 AM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 24 2015, 10:47 AM) Yes.. Just found out the tax is @25%. And on top of that with gst of 6%...... Hmm... It's not cheap anymore 😥😥😥 25% !!! That is steep! So how? I wish they would sell us just the frame.
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etigge
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Sep 24 2015, 01:14 PM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Sep 24 2015, 11:14 AM) 25% !!! That is steep! So how? I wish they would sell us just the frame. They did mention in their site, they will consider selling the frame only after the Kickstarter project ends and the Helix goes into production. I was studying the geometry and the trail length seems very narrow. The fork is straight and head tube angle makes the trail length ( in their sizing and geometry page, labelled 'K' ) very narrow. I think the bike will be more twitchy compared to other bikes. The longer the trail length, the more stable the bike is, that's why many forks are curved out. Either that or the head tube angle is more. Anyway, they already have prototype ready and the road doing testing. Maybe, it's OK but still one needs to ride one to actually experience it. There's a compromise between compactness after folding to geometry in this case. This post has been edited by etigge: Sep 24 2015, 01:16 PM
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PaulKong
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Sep 24 2015, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(desastar @ Sep 24 2015, 11:14 AM) 25% !!! That is steep! So how? I wish they would sell us just the frame. I most probably will cancel my pledge. It's going way out of what I've anticipated.
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(etigge @ Sep 24 2015, 01:14 PM) They did mention in their site, they will consider selling the frame only after the Kickstarter project ends and the Helix goes into production. I was studying the geometry and the trail length seems very narrow. The fork is straight and head tube angle makes the trail length ( in their sizing and geometry page, labelled 'K' ) very narrow. I think the bike will be more twitchy compared to other bikes. The longer the trail length, the more stable the bike is, that's why many forks are curved out. Either that or the head tube angle is more. Anyway, they already have prototype ready and the road doing testing. Maybe, it's OK but still one needs to ride one to actually experience it. There's a compromise between compactness after folding to geometry in this case. Yes, I think buying just the frame would be the best option, since it is likely that the rest of the parts may not be to our liking. The bike's wheelbase appears to be long, but you are right in saying that the design is constrained by the design of the fold. However we all know that folding bikes are a compromise......
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LostAndFound
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Sep 24 2015, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(PaulKong @ Sep 24 2015, 06:48 AM) I also spend quite a bit of time on the comment section and it seems the fee charge are not charge. They just want to know if your card is working. No charges whatsoever will be bill in your card. However, I'm not sure when they will start charging the whole price. Is it on 1st October when the project take off or when they start delivering the bike. It's tempting to get this bike. I've actually pledge to buy a 10 speedster yesterday after reading the whole project. 😄😄😄 Normally kickstarter will charge when 1st October (end date of the kickstarter I guess?). It's a platform for supporting development/manufacturing, so you pay super up front. Some projects just fail to deliver, may or may not get refund also. I do buy kickstarters, but its not as 'reliable' as actually purchasing from a company, normally.
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desastar
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Sep 24 2015, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Sep 24 2015, 06:24 PM) Normally kickstarter will charge when 1st October (end date of the kickstarter I guess?). It's a platform for supporting development/manufacturing, so you pay super up front. Some projects just fail to deliver, may or may not get refund also. I do buy kickstarters, but its not as 'reliable' as actually purchasing from a company, normally. Thanks for your input. Didn't think of what will happen to our payment if the company defaults
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PaulKong
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Sep 24 2015, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(LostAndFound @ Sep 24 2015, 06:24 PM) Normally kickstarter will charge when 1st October (end date of the kickstarter I guess?). It's a platform for supporting development/manufacturing, so you pay super up front. Some projects just fail to deliver, may or may not get refund also. I do buy kickstarters, but its not as 'reliable' as actually purchasing from a company, normally. Yes... I did go thru the terms and conditions. Kickstarter will not be responsible for any default by the company. They are just the intermediary between backers and the company. In any case of default, we need to take legal action against the company, not Kickstarter However, I feel this helix project will take off by the progress they are going. They just announced they will give backers better specs.... The first surprise is the crank set... They are giving sram, not sure what series but they say is the highest spec and it's made in USA.
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