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 Turtles, Terrapins and Tortoise V2, Shell reptiles please enter here...

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TSuzairi
post Oct 6 2006, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(sayasebuk @ Oct 6 2006, 08:44 AM)
Is it because they do not contain enough nutrients? or because the turtles do not really eat but rather just gigit2 saja
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Because that plant doesnt supply enough nutrien to them. So cant be used as daily food. Dont just rely on that.

QUOTE(titansulcata @ Oct 6 2006, 09:18 AM)
when they mean malaysians, here in lowyat.net, we got quite a number of investors putting their 'funds' in

if 'someone' here wants to have legal turtle/tortoise farm, not easy dream... wonder how to get the license approved

sigh... If like SG our tortoise should go into hiding. I wonder is it illegal to keep them?
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Who is that someone ? LOL. BTW, i think we can apply special license to have a turtle farm and maybe goverment can fund it too.

QUOTE(meiteoh @ Oct 6 2006, 11:56 AM)
I have a question. If the shell looks dented in and/or curved inwards, is that a normal sign?
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Depends, got a pic to show ?
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post Oct 6 2006, 05:27 PM

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Here is my new pair of Black Breasted Leaf. Happy to have got them smile.gif RM85/pc. Well, the thing now is to get them start eating and live happily. Hope i can do it. Cheers.



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QUOTE(EuJax @ Oct 6 2006, 05:27 PM)
Here is my new pair of Black Breasted Leaf. Happy to have got them smile.gif RM85/pc. Well, the thing now is to get them start eating and live happily. Hope i can do it. Cheers.
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malaysians should stop 'funding' these illegal activity... Hehe... Joking

congrats dude smile.gif

so where u bought it? Which pet shop

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post Oct 6 2006, 08:16 PM

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Nice one Eujax, a pair ? Im looking forward to get this species soon too. wub.gif
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post Oct 6 2006, 08:19 PM

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here's the news
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/nst/Fri...cle/local1_html

Malaysians 'fund' illegal exotic wildlife trade
06 Oct 2006
Manveet Kaur and Su Aziz

KUALA LUMPUR: Tortoises from India and snakes and lizards from Africa and Latin America are finding their way into more Malaysian homes.

And as the demand for exotic pets grows, so too the list of prized wildlife.

However, many people do not realise that a number of these animals are on the endangered list.

While some are imported, most of these are captured from the wild and smuggled into the country.

The Star tortoise (Geochelone elegans), for example, is taken from the wild in India, where it is protected, and brought in by smugglers.

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This tortoise is among the many exotic pets that are being sold in the Klang Valley.

We visited one pet shop in Mutiara Damansara and asked the owner about Star tortoises.

Since he thought we were potential customers, he admitted that the tortoises were smuggled into Malaysia. He also did not deny that most of his tortoises and terrapins were obtained through illegal means.

He said he had no problem with the authorities when it came to selling species such as the Star tortoise, Radiated tortoise and the Spider tortoise, all of which are prohibited from being taken out of their country of origin.

"It's okay for people to rear the tortoises as pets here, but if they want to send it to their friends outside the country, I wouldn't recommend it," he added.

He said young people liked tortoises as pets because they were cute. The Star tortoise can fetch up to RM120 for a six-cm juvenile, while its highly sought-after cousin the Radiated tortoise can cost as much as RM1,800.

Snakes and lizards from Africa, South America and other parts of Asia are also available. The prices for these range from RM1,200 to RM5,000.

There are also lizards such as desert geckos, miniature monitors and skinks.

Their presence shows that the trade in such animals continues to flourish although the shop owner said it was getting harder to get fresh stocks due to frequent crackdowns against smugglers.

Following a tip-off, we also checked out a pet shop at Taman Megah in Petaling Jaya where we found a large number of exotic reptiles and mammals.

This particular outlet also has the largest selection of snakes and lizards and is a popular haunt for pet lovers. We asked the sales assistant for Star tortoises and he replied that they didn't have any.

"We only have the Radiated and Spider tortoises left. If you want one, the big ones cost RM1,800 and I can give you a special discount if you are interested."

He added that many of the customers who wanted tortoises as pets were from Singapore.

"Such animals are prohibited from being imported in Singapore. So, they get them here and smuggle them across."

About two weeks ago, Indian Customs officers arrested a Malaysian man attempting to smuggle 1,460 Indian Star tortoises out of Chennai.

It was said to be the biggest illegal consignment of the endangered tortoises they had ever seen.

"Due to uncontrolled capture and trade, many of these species are becoming endangered," says Chris R. Shepherd, Traffic Southeast Asia Senior Programme Officer.

"Unfortunately, there are loopholes in the legislation that hinder the authorities from preventing this wrongful exotic pets trade."

In 2004, Traffic Southeast Asia released the report Demand Driven: The Trade of Indian Star Tortoises, Geochelone elegans in Peninsular Malaysia, which highlighted Malaysia as a major hub in the international illegal trade of this species.

The study's survey of 31 pet stores in Kuala Lumpur found more than three-quarters of them sold the tortoises. The reptiles are often dehydrated, bound with tape and stuffed into stockings to limit movement when smuggled into the country. Many do not survive the journey.

Shepherd says Customs officers are the ones who can actually make a huge difference in preventing wildlife contraband from being smuggled in as they are the ones at the entry and exit points.

The Department of Wildlife and National Parks (Perhilitan), the government agency managing the country's wildlife, has a licensing system under the Wildlife Protection Act 1972 to regulate the import, export and trade in local wild species.

"We are aware that violations of the law exist," agrees Misliah Mohamad Basir, the law and enforcement director at Perhilitan.

"So we conduct random spot checks at pet shops. If the owners cannot produce the trader's reference number to verify the origin of their pets, we will confiscate the animals and send them to our Rescue Centre at Malacca Zoo," she says.

"And if the quantity of species present exceeds the number written in the logbook, they will be fined."

Of the 32 registered pet shops in Kuala Lumpur, 20 were raided last year and 15 of them were in breach of the Wildlife Protection Act 1972.

The most common species confiscated were the reticulated python, leopard cat, hill myna, iguana, greater green leafbird, sulfur-crested cockatoo, red whiskered bulbul, oriental white eyes, blue-crowned hanging parrot and yellow-crowned bulbul.

The fine for selling protected species without a licence is RM5,000 and/or two years in jail.

Misliah says it was difficult to name all the protected species that were illegally sold in the country because one could never foresee what endangered animals would be brought in.

"Trends change all the time - one month it will be the Star tortoise, six months later it can be komodo dragons."

To report a suspected wildlife law violation, contact:

- Law and Enforcement Division, Department of Wildlife and National Parks, Km10 Jalan Cheras, 56100 Kuala Lumpur
Tel: 03-90752872
Email: pakp@wildlife.gov.my
Website: http://www.wildlife.gov.my

- Traffic South-East Asia
Unit 9-3A, 3rd Floor, Jalan SS23/11, Taman SEA, 47400 Petaling Jaya
Tel: 03-78803940/Fax: 03-78820171
Email: tsea@po.jaring.my
Website: http://www.traffic.org

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QUOTE(titansulcata @ Oct 6 2006, 08:19 PM)
here's the news
KUALA LUMPUR: Tortoises from India and snakes and lizards from Africa and Latin America are finding their way into more Malaysian homes.

And as the demand for exotic pets grows, so too the list of prized wildlife.

However, many people do not realise that a number of these animals are on the endangered list.

While some are imported, most of these are captured from the wild and smuggled into the country.

The Star tortoise (Geochelone elegans), for example, is taken from the wild in India, where it is protected, and brought in by smugglers.

This tortoise is among the many exotic pets that are being sold in the Klang Valley.

We visited one pet shop in Mutiara Damansara and asked the owner about Star tortoises...............


In 2004, Traffic Southeast Asia released the report Demand Driven: The Trade of Indian Star Tortoises, Geochelone elegans in Peninsular Malaysia, which highlighted Malaysia as a major hub in the international illegal trade of this species.
The study's survey of 31 pet stores in Kuala Lumpur found more than three-quarters of them sold the tortoises. The reptiles are often dehydrated, bound with tape and stuffed into stockings to limit movement when smuggled into the country. Many do not survive the journey.
Those who keep Indian Star Tortoises, now you all know what kind of pets you all keep.

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post Oct 6 2006, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Gnoof @ Oct 6 2006, 08:35 PM)
Those who keep Indian Star Tortoises, now you all know what kind of pets you all keep.
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The fine for selling protected species without a licence is RM5,000 and/or two years in jail.
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Didn't say got fine for keeping em whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Oct 6 2006, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(EuJax @ Oct 6 2006, 05:27 PM)
Here is my new pair of Black Breasted Leaf. Happy to have got them smile.gif RM85/pc. Well, the thing now is to get them start eating and live happily. Hope i can do it. Cheers.
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Wahh...nice nice thumbup.gif Congrats! And all the best of luck to you! You can do it! Any shots of its bottom part? Tak pernah tengok lagi smile.gif Thanks and enjoy!

Titan, its sure sad that so many cute creature is being smuggle here and there but i dont think we can do anything much sad.gif Mungkin we can try report those shops that are bad? wink.gif

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QUOTE(titansulcata @ Oct 6 2006, 08:57 PM)
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The fine for selling protected species without a licence is RM5,000 and/or two years in jail.
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Didn't say got fine for keeping em  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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You still can't get my point.
I mean those who keep star tortise are keeping an endangered species animal.
undstnd?
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QUOTE(kamekame8888 @ Oct 6 2006, 09:14 PM)
Titan, its sure sad that so many cute creature is being smuggle here and there but i dont think we can do anything much sad.gif Mungkin we can try report those shops that are bad? wink.gif

Kamekame.
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Good idea.... sometime cannot tahan those shops tat doesn't take good care of em

QUOTE(Gnoof @ Oct 6 2006, 09:19 PM)
You still can't get my point.
I mean those who keep star tortise are keeping an endangered species animal.
undstnd?
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sometimes one have to play dumb too blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
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wow... i just came across this site regarding sulcata...worth a visit

Giving Birth
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/?page=236
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/?page=269

Male/Female
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/default.asp?page=235
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/default.asp?page=233

Housing
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/default.asp?page=243

Basking
http://www.landskildpadden.dk/default.asp?page=234

Here's the story... the circle of life... la la la
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wah, is it really need to do like that....
then next time mean is hard to keep exotic pet already lo
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post Oct 7 2006, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(Gnoof @ Oct 6 2006, 09:19 PM)
You still can't get my point.
I mean those who keep star tortise are keeping an endangered species animal.
undstnd?
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And u are selling Red Eyed Crocodile Skink ? wink.gif wink.gif Correct yourself before u correct others my fren.
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QUOTE(titansulcata @ Oct 6 2006, 05:52 PM)
malaysians should stop 'funding' these illegal activity... Hehe... Joking

congrats dude smile.gif

so where u bought it? Which pet shop
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HAhah..well Titan i guess i have sin but God i just love them! wink.gif I got it from Irene smile.gif Thanks for sharing the links to Sulcata's info. I will get at least a pair one of these days. Very nice tortoise but if i can find some adult, it will be fantastic. Cheers.

Uzairi, go get your pair! wink.gif



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QUOTE(EuJax @ Oct 7 2006, 09:59 AM)
HAhah..well Titan i guess i have sin but God i just love them! wink.gif I got it from Irene  smile.gif  Thanks for sharing the links to Sulcata's info. I will get at least a pair one of these days. Very nice tortoise but if i can find some adult, it will be fantastic. Cheers.

Uzairi, go get your pair!  wink.gif
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from irene, Is it the pair they put at the counter? U took the only 2. They look beautiful

for sulcata adult i haven seen any around, why not get hatchling and grow them to adult. the process would be fun

a note for future sulcata owners. They eat much more than star. Double the amount, even their size is smaller than star. And when they eat double, they shit and urine more too. They are much more active then star. And have a habit of digging. Personality wise, they are friendly, not scared of human, and they stand and walk very manly smile.gif macho tortoise
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QUOTE(uzairi @ Oct 7 2006, 03:21 AM)
And u are selling Red Eyed Crocodile Skink ?  wink.gif  wink.gif Correct yourself before u correct others my fren.
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oops.....I can't found Crocodile Skink (Tribolonotus gracilis) inside CITS endangered species list!
But found Indian Star Tortoise (Geochelone elegans ) listed inside CITES Appendix II biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Gnoof @ Oct 7 2006, 04:21 PM)
oops.....I can't found Crocodile Skink (Tribolonotus gracilis) inside CITS endangered species list!
But found Indian Star Tortoise (Geochelone elegans )  listed inside CITES Appendix II  biggrin.gif
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but croc skink is not captive bred also tongue.gif
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QUOTE(EuJax @ Oct 7 2006, 09:59 AM)
Uzairi, go get your pair!  wink.gif
Regards
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Yeah, allocating some money for them. sweat.gif Its going to raya so money need to be channelled in 2 ways. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Gnoof @ Oct 7 2006, 04:21 PM)
oops.....I can't found Crocodile Skink (Tribolonotus gracilis) inside CITS endangered species list!
But found Indian Star Tortoise (Geochelone elegans )  listed inside CITES Appendix II  biggrin.gif
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Yeah, now u wont. But u are the ones who started making them to be extinct. Maybe in 3-4 years time, you'll see them in the list. wink.gif

QUOTE(e1elme @ Oct 7 2006, 05:20 PM)
but croc skink is not captive bred also tongue.gif
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Exactly rite. I just dont know they are thinking. They should correct themselves before correcting others. doh.gif
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I think i want to get an Asian Leaf Turtle! smile.gif flex.gif So Eujax, Uzairi, Titan and others, please inform me if you come across any ok? Havent seen any so far...only pictures. Where are they available? Anyone? Hope can get hold of them. icon_rolleyes.gif



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QUOTE(e1elme @ Oct 7 2006, 05:20 PM)
but croc skink is not captive bred also tongue.gif
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Not captive breed..........but croc skink not endangered species right?
So I'm not dealing with ENDANGERED SPECIES ANIMAL 。 biggrin.gif

Some, some Star Tortoise in the market also not captive breed what.


QUOTE(uzairi @ Oct 7 2006, 05:27 PM)
Yeah, now u wont. But u are the ones who started making them to be extinct. Maybe in 3-4 years time, you'll see them in the list.  wink.gif
Exactly rite. I just dont know they are thinking. They should correct themselves before correcting others.  doh.gif
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But not now.......haha

I'm not dealing with endangered species right? And never go agains the law too.
Fyi, I'm not selling croc skink in bulk, just 3 of them. Just want to sell it away for other purpose.
Some pple know that Star Tortoise is an endangered species but yet they still dealing with it........this one betul betul don't know what they are thinking doh.gif rclxub.gif pening!!



Btw, I'm here to point out the fact, no intend to 'shoot' anybody. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
I'm sorry if I had offenced anyone of you here.

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