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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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post Jan 12 2015, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 12 2015, 06:28 PM)
idle rpm means the engine rpm when the car is stopping (like stopping in front of traffic light) ? if i am nor wrong , it tends to show 1000 rpm most of the time . Is it normal?
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yes idle means car full stop and just sitting there with the engine still running (in idle), like waiting in front of a traffic light as you said.

accordingly to the service manual or the sticker around your engine bay, as far as i know(afaik)/if i'm not mistaken(iinm):
for manual, it should be between 700-800 while auto around +/- 100 rpm higher.
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post Jan 12 2015, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 12 2015, 06:34 PM)
my iswara se comes with 4 speaker . But only 2 speakers are working .(the rear speaker) , i ckecked it , it's clarion brand. Is it good ? I personally dont like it very much and feel that blaupunkt on the 1996 model sound better  doh.gif .Is it on the ori condition? i mean is the original iswara 2003 se model comes with 4 speakers? I also noticed 4 tweeters , but no sound come from the tweeters. What's the function of the tweeters? How to make the tweeters work ? btw i have pioneer head unit.
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check if the fader is working at least before determining the front don't work.
alternatively can try swapping the speakers or even hot wire for testing purposes.

if really confirm don't work then just replace or just put the rear speakers to front.

tweeters are used to playback higher frequencies in better accuracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweeter
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post Jan 12 2015, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 12 2015, 06:40 PM)
what is fader? rclxub.gif
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HU setting, to channel more output to either front or rear speakers.
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post Jan 12 2015, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 12 2015, 07:03 PM)
We welcome all GaGa Iswaga owners regardless. I just wish to inform you sometimes the otai here is very technical. When they explain, will have tons of crazy flying fish, prawn, crab here & there. If you can't understand, just wait patiently and ask the question politely, many will answer you with true passion geh laugh.gif
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here not inspira thread wo laugh.gif
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post Jan 12 2015, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 12 2015, 07:54 PM)
say what? mai yau hai fake lancer fiore Plotong? so there's lots of teknikal term being used for diskasen. sarj as "kon9lan7fem", "dnmgh", "ammoshaft hits the fan" whistling.gif
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post Jan 16 2015, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 15 2015, 06:05 PM)
For my case, the sound developed immediately after I replaced the exhaust muffler & piping due to corrosion holes. So I thought the sound was from the exhaust system brackets, but I shook the thing hoping to get sound, but it was quiet.
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try shaking it more drastically, up/down/front/back.

i've had my share of exhaust woes as well doh.gif
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post Jan 16 2015, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 15 2015, 10:11 PM)
Torque is leverage, measured in Newton-metre, pound-foot etc. For example, when you tighten the
bolt using spanner, torque that you applied is your applied force x the spanner length. It is independent of speed.

Horsepower is another name for power which is energy expenditure per unit time. measured in
joules per sec i.e. Watts

The above 2 concepts are related.
Torque x rotational speed  = power (kW) or horsepower (hp)
(one horsepower  = 0.746 kW)

So in the spanner example above, power depends on how fast you turn the spanner, even if the torque remains the same.

Yes torque determines how much you can accelerate the car, and so is horsepower which not only
accelerates but at what speed at that time. They are not really independent stuff, just what
kind of measurements are involved. Horsepower depends on torque AND speed at any one time.

TECHNICAL STUFF:

Torque of 4G13 engine is 109 Nm @ 4000 rpm (measured at crankshaft).
1st gear ratio = 3.363, final drive gear ratio = 4.322
The gearbox thus reduces the 4000 rpm to 275 rpm while increasing torque to 1584 Nm.

Radius of tire 175/70R13 = 0.288m,
Since torque = force x radius arm, you can calculate the pushing force to be
1584 / 0.288 = 5509 N which is equivalent to 561 kg force.
This means a force equivalent to 561 kg is pushing your car forward in gear 1 at 4000 rpm.

The power that generated at the engine = Torque x rotational speed
=  109 x 4000 x 2 x 3.142 /60 W = 45,664W = 45.664 kW = 61 hp approx.
This is the amount of energy extracted from burning petrol per sec and translated to engine
shaft output.

The power mentioned here is the same thing as in your household appliance like 2000W kettle,
50W lamp etc.

Torque can be increased or decreased by way of the gearbox. Power remains nearly same, i.e.
reduced slightly by frictional losses passing throught the drive chain.

At gear 1 & 4000 rpm, the speed is 30 km/h. The road friction & wind resistance is about
17.8kg, so the balance from the 561-17.8 = 543.2 kilos of force suppled at the wheel is to
accelerate the car.
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this is very awesome info/calculations notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jan 19 2015, 04:57 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 17 2015, 02:35 PM)
Thank you guys for the wonderful Kar Huash TT! rclxms.gif

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My pleasure to meet up with jondankawan, despite years of Savvy ownership, in the end meet up as Iswara owner laugh.gif
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much thanks for inviting me as well David.

pictures/review (can read the pic description/captions):
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post Jan 19 2015, 05:05 AM

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QUOTE(jondankawan @ Jan 17 2015, 05:28 PM)
laugh.gif Both cars are very good. For, reliability, I chose Iswara over Savvy. Only chosen people can bear with Savvy, not me.  laugh.gif Respect to all Savvy owners and Saga Iswara owners also (david boleh double respect la  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  hahaha) notworthy.gif
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nice meeting another iswara owner as well so i won't be so lonely biggrin.gif
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post Jan 19 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 18 2015, 07:59 PM)
after driving the 12 year old iswara for a few days , i noticed that the engine started to develop a strange sound . when i accelerate , the car takes along time to rev up compared to my uncle 's 1996 iswara. i heard  the 'zik , zik , zik' sound . i think it's the engine 's problem .Is it expensive to fix this?

i wanna save fuel , so I change the gear even the car havent reach the 2.5rpm . so i often use gear -5 altought the car speed is only 60km/h. The engine is not dead and the car is not vibrating too much. But , i noticed the sound of 'zik, zik, zik ' , seems like a bearing sound. I'm wondering will it cause harm to the engine?if i change the gear so quickly ?
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best if you identify/confirm the source of the sound.
or try to record and show us, else it's just a random guess online.

in addition to bro davidke20 feedback, can also be valve clearance issues, engine oil degradation, carburetor AFR out of tune, or even ignition timing/knocking issues.
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post Jan 19 2015, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 19 2015, 10:53 AM)
Lol. @ thought drive at lower rpm coyld save the fuel. Will it cause harm to the engineif I use low rpm (not enough speed) to drive the car?
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ultimately, fc (fuel consumption, as the name implies) increases as you step more on the accelerator pedal.

even at high gear/low rpm, if you still need to step on the accelerator pedal to gain speed, you're burning more fuel compared to say, high gear/low rpm cruising without stepping on the accelerator pedal at all.

another comparison is going up hill at high gear while stepping at the accelerator fully (and climbing VERY slowly), vs low gear and climbing the hill efficiently with minimal accelerator pedal input.
that's having high engine load (the hill inducing the load) and high pedal input which means bad/high FC.
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post Jan 20 2015, 06:44 PM

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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Jan 20 2015, 05:46 PM)
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sorry to hear that bro
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post Jan 21 2015, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 21 2015, 05:52 PM)
why need to pull out the fuse? what's the prupose of the fuse? if no fuse , the light can light up? p/s : i havent try pulling out the fuse.  tongue.gif
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please read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuse_%28automotive%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuse_%28electrical%29

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post Jan 22 2015, 02:25 AM

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QUOTE(markko234 @ Jan 21 2015, 08:18 PM)
Thanks for the tip! smile.gif Then I assume that if I have enough money, full overhaul will be my first choice in servicing the car? How much will it cost roughly?

And I am thinking of doing maybe transmission fluid flush or brake fluid flush while I earn more cash for the overhaul, are they recommended?

Thanks!
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 21 2015, 08:43 PM)
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full overhaul these days are in the 1-2k range, depending on part (ori or oem etc) and labor and whether mechanic is honest/competent or not (eg: some parts no need to change, mech says change anyways)

in addition to what bro david mentioned, ok to do transmission flush, however only use reputable products like lubegard ATF flush. not cheap btw
for manual transmission i believe not required as they aren't as sensitive as automatics.

if you're on budget, actually just using cheap proton ATF SP3 at very short intervals (eg: 500 or 1k km) will be sufficient for a "flushing" effect.

your car is auto or manual again?
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post Jan 22 2015, 02:26 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 21 2015, 10:22 PM)
how do u learn how the car system works?  where do you learn it ? laugh.gif
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google and the heart/motivation to learn would be a good starting point nod.gif
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post Jan 23 2015, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(markko234 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:20 PM)
My car is a manual. The shifting has never been smooth since I started driving it, so felt like want to do some flushing if it helps. Shifting only smooth sometimes after the engine has been running for a while.

Btw, regarding on Davidke20's comment on shifting at 2.5k RPM and above, would it does more harm to my old engine's pistons as it always spins at high RPM? I normally drive 60km/h (hahaha my hometown people all drive slow slow, so so do I tongue.gif ) so it will be at 4th gear at 2k RPM constantly, realised that I stepped less on the pedal at 4th gear as compared to at 5th gear, but just scare at constantly 2k RPM will like, does harm to my old engine yawn.gif
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no just change your manual gear oil more regularly for flushing purposes.
consider using a lower viscosity gear oil, and/or gear oil with high viscosity index, or even an additive like lubegard manual.

as bro david said, rpm is not the factor that harms your engine.
low is definitely not a problem, and high, well constant red lines (past 6/7k rpm) *MAY* harm your engine in the long run, however i do that all the time on my iswara (track days, simply love speeding etc) and it's still pretty fine.
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post Jan 23 2015, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(markko234 @ Jan 22 2015, 10:20 PM)
2k RPM will like, does harm to my old engine yawn.gif
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i mean geez, my meter only got 180 km/h, and i am doing 176:
http://youtu.be/4FdPEYOH-BQ?t=1m12s

the engine was running at 6 or 6.5k rpm.
did it harm the engine? maybe.
is it still running fine today? yes my sister just drove it to work, and came back home from work.
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post Jan 23 2015, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 22 2015, 03:22 PM)
I  pumped my car with petron 97 petrol yesterday . I can feel the difference. The car experience less engine vibration  and less engine noise.  biggrin.gif
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adjust your ignition timing properly.
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post Jan 23 2015, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jan 23 2015, 06:13 AM)
Ayam a regular petrong user, and belib their ron97 is the worst in the market laugh.gif normal engine sound indeed reduced, but will create knocks when engine on load doh.gif funny shit, dunno what kinda soap water added shakehead.gif
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i'm ok on Petronas 97 lol
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post Jan 23 2015, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Jan 23 2015, 03:59 PM)
engine timing? increase it ? or reduce it??
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