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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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post Dec 14 2014, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(GMS FearLess @ Dec 14 2014, 09:08 AM)
whoa...long time not post here..
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sup lol! so retired already? what's your new ride?
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post Dec 15 2014, 02:24 AM

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QUOTE(igster @ Dec 14 2014, 02:16 PM)
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did the wheels locked and tire skid? or just simply not braking and the wheels are just spinning as normal and your vehicle not slowing down as intended?

changed brake fluid? i tend to change mine very early, as soon as it's in a bit of a teh ais color and they are gone.
done brake fluid flushing/bleeding as well to ensure the system have no contaminants?

personally i find the stock braking on the iswara being rather adequate with decent performance brake pads.
anything more it's way too easy to lock the wheels and our car have no ABS - good luck if you spin out.

my brake pads to go are the EBC greenstuff smile.gif
and i personally import them from UK as local distributor (pentagon) sells them at a hefty price sad.gif
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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Dec 14 2014, 09:05 PM)
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post Dec 15 2014, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Dec 14 2014, 09:57 PM)
gettin an iriz ...but still no news ...

iswara still fine

leak engine oil here and there...
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if you've read my review, it's a damn good ride even if it's CVT is dumb as f***.
get a manual and that solves that problem smile.gif

still, good choice i'd say smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(DaBestOne @ Dec 15 2014, 12:10 PM)
Leaking engine oil is normal..use thicker engine oil will lesser leaking of eo. smile.gif
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post Dec 15 2014, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(myproton999 @ Dec 15 2014, 12:25 PM)
hi,need some advise.
my iswara sudden oil/gas jam at high level cannot stop/go down.
when car start oil/gas always in press condition.
the workshop guy said is carburetor,need change new..really need change carburetor? or service can solve it?
because he change a problem (new) carburetor to me..later need to visit the shop again.
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i assume the problem is high rpm?
does this happen only on cold starts, or even after coolant temperature at mid level/warmed up also same?

Carburetor can be repaired/faulty parts replaced, or even serviced with various carb cleaners on the market to loosen/clean clogged/stuck valves/chokes etc.

if the carb is replaced and it's having problem, no choice but to keep pressing that workshop who suggested a change in the first place when it may have not been required.
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post Dec 15 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(igster @ Dec 15 2014, 12:48 PM)
Hi Quaza, thanks for responding.

The wheels did eventually lock and the tyres skidded at that point. Thankfully, there was no contact - it was inches away.

I'm likely to change, flush and bleed my fluid real soon, possibly this week. My mechanic thinks the fluid is fine tho.

I'm thinking along the same lines as you, that the stock braking being adequate with good performance pads cos there's concerns about locking and spinning. I'm wondering if that be the case, whether stock or original rotors would do or better quality aftermarket standard rotors would be better.

Greenstuff? That stuff costs an arm and a leg, and a nose, an ear, four fingers.......
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too sudden stop?
if require better tire grip/traction, may consider something else other than c drive2.
am using c drive 2 and to be honest it isn't really that suitable for spirited driving however for *most situations* it is adequate, decent comfort and some lower rolling resistance (LRR) also.

or, anticipate better/keep distance. or just having better "Aku brake sendiri" abs laugh.gif
which comes to your brake fluid, if it's contaminated (oxidized, having air pockets etc) it will respond very poorly and especially when you mentioned "faded", which may not be brake fade and it's just the calipers/servo jammed/unresponsive.

do check your caliper checked as well or get it serviced.

As for rotors, i used to have cross drilled/slotted, they eventually cracked at the drills.
Personally they don't offer that much more performance improvements over solid disc, however with just the words of "performance"/"motorsports", they are easily 3 times the pricing of normal rotor replacements just to have some drills/slots added.
They do however have less structural rigidity (due to the cross drill throughs), and no matter how tame (or aggressive) you drive they will eventually develop hairline cracks from the drilled holes. Just a matter of time/luck.
Solid discs will obviously fare better durability since it's a solid one piece, not even vents for our iswara stock rotors anyways.

comparatively, i was on IMP x drilled/slotted rotors and they were rm300+ almost rm400, while the current Shoji oem/aftermarket replacement was like rm110-150 ish iinm.
If your current stock rotors are thinned out/very old (maybe can find a mechanic can have thickness measured or just seek second/multiple opinions from various workshops), then can consider a cheap brembo(not italy ya, just cheapo china oem ones lol)/trw/shoji stock (solid disc) replacement.

i gotten my ebc greenstuff for iswara at £46.33 (GBP) pricing.
obviously it is much more expensive than aftermarket replacements like Bosch/Bendix, like 3-5 times the price assuming they are around rm60-100 ish, but for something like brakes, i prefer not to compromise.
Not to mention i have a preference to lower brake dust pads, if that's not a requirement, can consider something cheaper like EBC ultimax (or some called black).
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post Dec 15 2014, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(myproton999 @ Dec 15 2014, 03:05 PM)
yes,high rpm..never go down after off on car.

i already choose change the carb as the guy advise,now cannot refund,now change another one to test..whn 1st time i visit the guys start car thn said carb problem,service oso cannot 1.will happen back.
now the carb change is china 1..i think quality cannot guarantee at all..but no budget..
n the worker work like dont know one..only know take out n put back,put back oso blur blur.
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probably language issue here, but your rpm don't go down after you off your car? or you mean your engine doesn't off when you turn your keys? unsure.gif

think about this: you change to china carb, but still end up faulty, and you had to keep changing cuz no refund.
eventually the pricing would be the same, if not even exceed an ori half cut, or even brand new ori...
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QUOTE(myproton999 @ Dec 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
tis cost me 550,ori the guy offer rm1.6k

off engine sure go down,i said is on/start engine,rpm direct back to higher,cannot go down n the oil/gas pedal press is no feeling 1.
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try to tune DIY:
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or carb cleaning

(not a carb but that's the general idea, spray it on your carb after you remove it's cover/air filter.
seek mechanic assistance if you're not familiar.
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post Dec 17 2014, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(homerthewhopper @ Dec 17 2014, 04:37 PM)
Hi guys i would like to share my 1.3 iswara's fc here.
Last time i filled up rm50 got me about 280 to 300km. i am wondering whether this is normal since my brother's hyundai elantra could go more than 320 with the same price hmm.gif
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please use fuelly.com and monitor at least 2-3 fuel ups with full tank until the pump clicks.
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post Dec 23 2014, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(clowgod @ Dec 23 2014, 04:17 PM)
Hey guys..
want to ask something..
My fc are so bad. I fill petrol rm50 and only get 100km. What are the cause for my bad fc? Any advise or part that i need to change for better fc?
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please consider using app or something like fuelly.com to measure FC.

check if there's any leaking valves/vacuum, is your carb properly tuned? air fuel ratio ok? spark plugs/plug cable ok? engine oil? when's last service? air filters? maybe de-carbon the carburetor?

as my sis is driving the iswara and very frugal at that, here's the latest FC:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/proton/saga/1999/Quazacolt/120763
so that's RM73.427 for 362.01 km done at 11.14 KM/Liter
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post Dec 26 2014, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(exhausted @ Dec 26 2014, 04:47 PM)
Hi all, i am considering of getting a second hand iswara. For city. I am looking at 1.5I auto. Any review? Or should i just stick to the 1.3M that has better review?
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3 speed auto? you'll need to really take care of the gearbox.

if you're someone who can drive under 70-80kph, it *CAN* be fuel economical.
my sister proven it by having 11+km/L on avg as per linked from above fuelly.

otherwise a MT with lesser cc will have more advantage with just the 2 additional gears alone.
maintenance wise, parts not too much different.
half cut gear box even if you blow it is in the ~1k range.

ATF will be more expensive/have to change more frequent compared to MT gear oil.
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post Dec 29 2014, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(exhausted @ Dec 26 2014, 11:13 PM)
anything that i must check when looking at 2nd hand iswara auto n manual?
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generally what rojak posted.

to add on:
can check the oil from the ATF (if auto, atf = auto transmission fluid)/engine dip sticks.
if too watery or too thick/viscous, should take caution.

for engine oil/atf check if it has odd colors/murkish look/texture.
if it does, avoid the car entirely as it will require an overhaul as coolant is mixed with the lubricant, be it from the engine or the radiator (ATF will flow through radiator for cooling)

Check the mileage/service stickers or markings (some of them are left behind carelessly tongue.gif) and see if there are overdue items.

can also see if the rpm if idling stable and how is the air cond quality/rpm after compressor kicks in.
FYI if all parts are original denso, iswara air cond is very capable of sub 5 or even sub zero temperatures on a good day upon full load.
so needless to say, typically the temperature knob is set to almost off position sweat.gif
anything more than half i would be cautious also as full air cond part replacement for original denso is 2-2.5k+

If auto, the bottom mountings (afaik they are called torque mountings) can be obtained for between rm100-200 for both pieces ORIGINAL proton.
however if for auto, they will have gaps/made softer to accommodate for jerkiness/lesser power of the auto transmission. this is good and all however it means that it will wear off very fast and chances are if you're looking at an auto car it's most likely torn.
Not expensive to replace, however consider filling the gaps with PU (Polyurethane, can find easily from hardware stores) when you buy new ones, let it cure before replacing.

sometimes, the coolant wouldn't be so obvious on leaks, so maybe pay attention if there are any drastic reduction from the coolant overflow tank/reservoir or if there are water/coolant stains from the water pump/hoses/connection parts.
same goes for engine oil/ATF/manual gear oil (much rare case for manual gear oil) leaks.

may check also on drive shaft boots if they are torn.
oem/non ori are cheap, 180-250 per piece however ori will be around/1k per piece

do full lock to lock (steering turn to max) turns and try to accelerate while doing it and see if there are any knocking noise.
may also check on steering response to find faults on steering rack/rack end/tie rod end/bushing wear and tear.
not expensive parts however it will take some time to troubleshoot/replace.

hmm i wonder if i miss out anything... maybe will add them if i can think of more.

perhaps sifu davidke20 (own only second hand cars) nestum (tire/suspension sifu)

QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Dec 27 2014, 08:37 PM)
Hi guys , some updates .
Borrowed a 4 thottle kit of a good friend too test out
But its out and sold off . Too bad . Hehe
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post Dec 29 2014, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(cyanboy @ Dec 28 2014, 08:42 PM)
Autochoke just adjust screw 2. I just experienced such problem on my siblings car. Clockwise for higher RPM, anticlockwise for lower RPM (Only adjust on cold start/next morning of else your adjustment won't reflect immediately)
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Dec 29 2014, 10:11 AM)
Thanks for the info. Hopefully forum member myproton999 can solve the problem.
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post Dec 29 2014, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Dec 29 2014, 05:57 PM)
Bai VIOS plis whistling.gif
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post Jan 3 2015, 04:48 AM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Jan 2 2015, 04:58 PM)
now only report in..haha
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post Jan 3 2015, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(fishncatz @ Jan 3 2015, 06:20 PM)
I just solve the hard engagement of first and 2nd gear as i changed to 2 liters of 75w-90 toyota transmission fluid. But the satisfaction is still not there. biggrin.gif. I still searching for thinner transmission fluid like the owners manual that required sae 80w or 75w-85.
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manual specified 75w85? perhaps can consider redline MT85 or give a shot to MTL (75w80)

that's what my inspira manual is using as the viscosity specification by Mitsubishi is 75w80 smile.gif
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post Jan 4 2015, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 3 2015, 11:44 PM)
You were using GL5 oil? I looked up on the gear oil characteristics, and it seems that GL5 oil is not suitable for synchromesh in manual transmissions. And also cause damage to "yellow metals" in the gearbox.
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yeah that is correct and that's why i am sticking to GL4 gear oils for my inspira biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2015, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 4 2015, 11:29 AM)
Extract from Proton user manuals regarding the fluid specs:
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thanks for the pictures thumbup.gif

i believe the HUGE confusion is the statement:
"6. API classification GL-4 or higher"

since they specified 75w85 with era of API SG, i believe 75w80 can be applied as well and that can easily eliminate many cold shifting issues nod.gif
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post Jan 5 2015, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(alexwsk @ Jan 5 2015, 09:34 AM)
opps, was sweet talked into using it together with the lubegard supplement  doh.gif
shud hv insisted to use normal gear oil with lubegard instead  blush.gif
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that should have been the way laugh.gif
well, normal gear oil (even cheap castrol) can be GL5; Just pay attention to labels and use GL4/synchromesh or yellow metal friendly gear oils nod.gif

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