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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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post Mar 2 2015, 05:23 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2015, 11:52 PM)
nice meeting/touge with you bro laugh.gif

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post Mar 2 2015, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 2 2015, 07:03 AM)
me and him only, tagging you so maybe can arrange another session laugh.gif
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post Mar 3 2015, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Mar 3 2015, 09:31 PM)
After 1 month of hu ha, i finally got my car after the accident...
However, I now have a depressing problem.
My wiper is swiping so slow i feel it takes eternity to complete 1 circle.
The supposed fastest stroke is like the second slowest stroke when it was good.
I changed the wiper motor in Dec 2014 so pretty sure should not be the wiper motor problem. Another thing i suspected is the wiring of the car somehow goes haywire.
This is because my radio also go haywire after the accident. It plays songs from USB well, but when i switch on my radio, it acts like it is constantly auto-restarted
Is there any ways i can DIY check it first before sending to the mechanic?

Anyone has totally redone their car wiring before? Want to ask about the price and the time for doing that.
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Sounds like ada short circuit or earth tarak cukup. I repair my iSwaga on an ad-hog basis. Mana rosak, tampal mana.
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post Mar 6 2015, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Mar 5 2015, 08:48 PM)
From my experience with changing absorber of previous car (also with trailing arms but no ARB), in addition to the jack for removing the wheel, the arm need to be supported by a second jack, or by using bricks or a block of wood. Otherwise the spring will drop off when you remove the absorber. The 1st jack or 2nd jack need to be adjusted to compress the spring to the correct height to fit the absorber mounting bolt holes accurately, especially gas-filled absorber is difficult to compress by hand. So maybe the ARB is not affected in this case. You are having additional ARB to the original factory fitted one? Where is it attached to, does it affect the absorber?

I remember the main problem for DIY is the absorber mounting nut cannot be loosened especially with the rust & dirt, need to use air operated impact wrench.
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All Saga/Iswara/Fiore came with standard anti roll bar attached between the sway arm. Not necessarily to detach stock ARB to change damper/spring. I believe what others mean is whether they need to detach their ULARCACING ARB.
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post Mar 6 2015, 05:48 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Mar 5 2015, 08:59 PM)
Just curious, on different topic, when you need to renew roadtax and insurance, do you face problem with the insurance company refusing to sell coverage, or he tarik harga charge exhorbitant prices ...?
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Come look for me/my staff. Free road assist up to 6 times P.A. No 3rd party/fire&theft. Want do? Comprehensive straightaway. Additional PA, can be arranged for waiver depending on vehicle age.

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 5 2015, 10:43 PM)
I know a lot of issues if you want to claim lol

And ya got forced loading also Even when my mom is an agent lol
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Loading can't waive, whilst your mother's company if exceeded 15 years vehicle age will load 30%. I'll take that 1/2 whistling.gif

QUOTE(megadisc @ Mar 5 2015, 11:10 PM)
he got jb lobang ?
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Me got, alot.
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post Mar 6 2015, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Tripod @ Mar 6 2015, 10:20 AM)
guys...need some help on my LMST (2008)

just notice my dashboard got crack in the centre.

i think its a matter of time before it really break into 2.

anywhere i can repair or change the dashboard?

prefer to replace with the same LMST version dashboard.

got anywhere to recommend.. notworthy.gif
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There aren't any repairer other than yourself. Please use epoxy glue and bind it before it's totally cracked. Transparent leather polish is good, but don't apply too much. If need be, dilute it with a little bit of water and gently wipe it through. 1 thing good about leather polish is, they're very little synthetic ingredient in these polish. Can literally prolong synthetic rubber/skin/plastic surface and keep them moist for a long² time.

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This my baby, which currently kidnapped by my aunt sad.gif
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post Mar 7 2015, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Tripod @ Mar 7 2015, 11:35 AM)
thanks albertb for the link.
also appreciate your tips...davidke20

thought just change the dashboard if cheap.

but now looks like have to diy  sad.gif

those epoxy glue really good? can really hold those cracks together?

btw your dashboard looks well kept  thumbup.gif
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The best effect for dashbaord bond is dismantle it, then apply epoxy resin from the INSIDE of the crack. This way you wouldn't have to deal with those bits and lumps on the dashbaord surface after being patched. Once applied, make sure you apply enough support for the dashbaord, incase if the plastic change shape then it spoil all your work. Reason for using epoxy resin is due to the material can stand high heat. If you have the time, after you've applied epoxy to the cracked site, put an extra plastic plate onto of the epoxy as an extra support and glue the surrounding of that piece of patching plastics. That whole area will become a full reinforcement and guaranteed will not crack again.

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After enough experience with this, consistently applying tyre shine/silicone base polisher, the entire dashboard had turned into POWDER! *My point is, tyre shine is for tyre! Not your bloody dashboard!!!

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post Mar 8 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(cyanboy @ Mar 8 2015, 11:16 AM)
My second iswara LMST has just changed absorber. APM biasa mia. Changing steps seemed to be simple as above instructions.
KYB bit expensive? But I guess is KYB standard right?
Yeap ada Ular Cacing Arb kat saya mia Iswara. Tak tau scare workshop broke my welding bracket nia.. Absorber was due long ago tapi takut tax nanti le...
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No necessarily to remove the UlarCacing ARB for damper replacement. Regardless, magician will have to double jack 1 side(1 is to jack the sway arm to compress the spring, another is to lift the car up) of the car before removing the damper then finally the spring. Hence, with or without the UlarCacing ARB, the way to do remains the same.

As for your worry, if jacking up the car 1 side would rendered the break of welding bracket...I can't imagine how you went through a 90 degeee sharp turn 60kph corner at Sg.Besi interchange Mahameru yawn.gif Might as well find out it breaks during damper change, rather than it breaks during your attack laugh.gif Still can't brain how they came up with such ingenius idea of so called ARB that required welding to make a braket rclxub.gif Might as well get a steel bar weld it directly on the sway arms yawn.gif

Heh? Quazacolt whistling.gif
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post Mar 10 2015, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Mar 9 2015, 10:42 PM)
The dep. minister's statement about the cause of accidents and cheapness of the device etc is out-of-touch with the real world situation. It will go the way of the 3 blinking speed indicator lights fixed on top of heavy vehicles many many years back.

And if implemented will mean every vehicle owner have to fork out money to some govt.
approved agency to instal...

And besides the measures you mentioned, JPJ should go undercover and catch those reckless drivers on the road. Those dangerous drivers can cause serious damage even at less than half the 110 km/hr speed, and should face very heavy penalties...
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Who me? I not too worry, cause my usual speed is 90kph. Highway 90, trunk road 90, corner 90, firelane 90, parking also 90 icon_idea.gif
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post Mar 10 2015, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(jondankawan @ Mar 10 2015, 10:49 PM)
I just managed to change all 4 tyres from Silverstone M5 to Yokohama C-Drive 2 at Weng Heng Tyre Bukit Kemuning. Total damage was RM680. Bye-bye tayar drift..  biggrin.gif

Feels a lot, lot of improvements. Comfort, noise, wet grip and dry grip, it's all there. One of the best all-rounder tyre is you asked me.

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post Mar 16 2015, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(zedyll @ Mar 15 2015, 08:11 PM)
Brief report about cap ayam extractors to low yat 82 jedi_master and all sifus & members here! notworthy.gif
Today I changed my stock manifold to 4-2-1 extractor with flexible pipe 'nenas' with damage of RM230...But its an ordinary steel material not the stainless steel one.

The brand is ALCRO. I thought it was Wegow.  doh.gif
The shop owner said wegow already slow down in business, perhaps bankrupt already. I dunno.  sweat.gif

But the bends are still quite decent, the extractor itself is solid and thick steel.
Compared to other shop's brandless cap ayam extractor that i surveyed the other day.....RM 150 without flexible pipe aka nenas but lightweight..... knocking the body sounds like tin milo ( i exaggerated a bit ) but you know the idea.  tongue.gif

The extractor pic:
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Before the welding.....the stock pipe is much smaller. Upgrade to 1.7" later?  brows.gif
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After installation:
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Comments: Pickup noticeably lighter. Driving with 3 passengers now feels like driving alone when still using stock manifold. Now my right foot feels heavy. brows.gif
Before buy a budget cap ayam extractor....check the thickness of metals, the pipe bends decent or not. Cap ayam mods is just pure luck, i would say.
If got money, as all sifus said....recommended to go for reputable manufacturer. Sure won't regret.  nod.gif
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Very pretty. Later karat liao bkam lidis whistling.gif

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post Mar 16 2015, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(zedyll @ Mar 16 2015, 02:27 PM)
dirty bay, clean engine= tuned monster inside  brows.gif  notworthy.gif
karat is a placebo effectwhistling.gif
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Disagreed whistling.gif I can scrape some rust, dilute it in a glass of water for you to drink, see whether placebo or not whistling.gif Engine is clean on a dirty engine bay can simply relate to recently engine blown, no money to transplant had to overhaul whistling.gif Besides, refer to my fuelly ady know ayam an FC oriented driver whistling.gif If it has to be related with TUNE, then it's an FC optimized tuned monster. Nothing related to performance whistling.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(zedyll @ Mar 17 2015, 07:26 AM)
Thanks bro!  notworthy.gif  Now continue completing exhaust system upgrades after got enough budget.

My current rusted muffler got holes....added 1 big hole i accidentally poked during extractor upgrades. now sound like cheap straight flow oredi. haha....  laugh.gif
I have 1 minor issue which is stalling/jerking 1-2 seconds after ignition off. Sometimes it occurs, sometimes not. After reading through previous owners experiences, it's between rich mixture or solenoid kong.  rclxub.gif 

So...wanna try carb tune first. The back of carb is the air mixture right?  Is it turning clockwise or anticlockwise for leaner mixture?  icon_question.gif
Due to sometimes occur only, do you think the solenoid kong or not?  ohmy.gif
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Solenoid kong will judder EVERYTIME u switch off the engine. It's likely to be overflow IMO. Before jumping into "tuning" your carb, it's advisable to give it a carb cleaning process. I solved mine with a bottle of electronic contact cleaner. I know there are specific carb cleaner spray out there, but I had bad experience with the carb cleaner spray which I wouldn't like to share it publicly, hence Alcohol base solution is my next best bet. The usual spray and vacuumize of throttlebody several rounds at high revs. Once done, change sparkplugs. Ever since, never happen to me anymore nod.gif

On the worst case scenario, it could be the solenoid START to kong, where the shaft weren't able to extend fully when engine's off. Which you have a very good chance in reviving it with electronic contact cleaner spray. It could be stains on the shaft that prevent it from thrusting but that's all. Tuning carburetor is the last thing I do, and I only trust CO reading where I need to send my car to a magician who has a machine/dyno machine to do so. doh.gif Others who always claim which sifu very powderful, by listen to the engine sound, see the RPM, feel the engine vibration, smell the exhaust fume ady can tell whether it's rich/lean is a big question mark to me. On a very bad situation where a petrol car start to emit black smoke, that ofcourse even a blind person also can tell it's running rich. But hey, how do you know it's not because of lean AIR that causes the RICH on FUEL? hmm.gif

My carb tuning never been kacauing me other than, overhaul job, change from 4toto back to stock - whilst other surroundings been upgraded such as valve springs, lifts, and also weird setup of exhaust system nod.gif Other than the mentioned, the carb has been always running on the same setting after got out from the O2 reader and or dyno machine nod.gif Do you get what I mean?
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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Mar 17 2015, 04:31 PM)
Bro, what 4 toto you use before and how come change back to stock?
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Looks very much like this 1, dun have trumpet, but got adapter came together to fit external air filter.

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By the name of SOLEX, seldom heard of it. According to previous owner, was detached from motorcycle. Originally came with an adapter for 4AGE, so my magician sent the 4toto to machine shop, bring along a stock intake manifold from chop shop and had it fabricate a special adapter for my 4G13.

Reason for downgrading? Partly due to waifu make noise, fuel price hike if you remember there was 1 point fuel price raised up to 2.70 where nobody can tahan. Call me an idiot, sold the whole set for RM400 which that point of time really have no intention to pursue on performance anymore.
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QUOTE(zedyll @ Mar 18 2015, 02:05 AM)
Thanks bro for the advice!  thumbup.gif

Story before dieseling occurs.....

First, i went for carb tuning (no machine aka manual sweat.gif  ) to reduce my FC....since my exhaust emits black sooty smoke everytime i press the gas pedal and FC is hella high! (RM20 [RM2/L] for 60km)

After carb tuning,  used the car about a week with good FC. But 1 problem emerges....pinging sound when accelerate. I went to my mechanics to tune ignition timing with timing light. The pinging almost gone except when climbing hills with with a slight pinging. My mech said slight pinging knock is okay. No dieseling problem yet.

Then, i went DIY changing the o-ring of distributor since there's quite of oil leaks. The distributor position was marked with correction pen. After finished replacing o-ring, i turned the distributor slightly 1-2mm anticlockwise (from marked position) therefore retarding timing some more. No more pinging even at hills.

Then, the dieseling started occuring occasionally.  rclxub.gif
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post Mar 18 2015, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(jedi_master @ Mar 18 2015, 08:45 AM)
Ooo.. nice. I also retired from 4 toto last year but mine was silvertop setup with trumpets. It was quite fun I guess especially beyond 5000 rpm but in the end still went back to single throttle body.
How old are your plugs? If its due or nearly due for change, maybe just change them. Might be a quick fix, nothing to lose.
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Frankly, the 4toto experience was all about responses. And yeah, especially after 5krpm. The trouble is, my 4G13 ran out of breathe at about 6.5krpm. Despite having enough fuel after tuned up the carbs, it can still tarek all the way beyond 8krpm, I don't feel the sprint anymore. Do you get the idea of from 1k ~ 4krpm tarak VTEK, after 5K rpm it goes very smooth and back stickingly fast. But after 6.5k rpm, the backsticking feel gone sad.gif According to magician, the valve train already topped out. The birds already standing at the fence where the stock cam aren't pushing hard enough. Even if we change the cam, a good chance where the valve spring isn't strong enough to retrace the valves any faster, a chance where the valve meets piston is there where standing at 8krpm laugh.gif Added, a friend of mine whose running on reinforced valve spring, customized billet cam blown the valve hell out of the rocker, smashed through the bonnet doh.gif I was lucky to not dig into that deep before I realized I'm spending money into a black hole. 1st gear 8krpm, shift to 2nd ady 6krpm, tarik until 8k, upshift again on 3rd, again stuck at 6krpm++. It feels like totally out of power band. The car isn't going any faster other than the intake and exhaust screaming very nicely, sounding like a real VTEK.

The good thing that I realized after switched back to stock pistoned carbs, it isn't going much slower then when I was 4toto. My tuning was set to the lean side according to the external CO sensor. With slightly retarded ignition, the entire powerband has been switched over to low/mid end. However, the valvelifts has been further released. I wasn't sure why magician set it up that way, but was told due to lean setup and early torque band, the loosen valvelifts will help to sustain inertia during cruising. True enough, the setup gave me a consistent of 13km/l on a regular basis despite the horrible KL traffics. On straight hiway drive back and fro JB will easily yield me 18km/l and above.

It feels like this wub.gif Very spontaneous. Good response. Very driveable.



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post Mar 18 2015, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Mar 18 2015, 10:52 AM)
I think mayb the mech follow the standard tuning for this engine when he last tuned for me... because the standard tuning I think it was for RON97 because last time don't have RON95 yet?

Should I tune this on my own? need any special tools? or is there any reliable tuner in Klang valley...
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1982 Lancer Fiore Potong 1986 Zakar / 1992 Swaga / 2003 LMSS / 2004 LMST / 2006 LMST Merdeka Edition 4G1x series injin stended setup is for RON88 whistling.gif In Marehsia, the ignition / carb tuning and valvelift are tuned for RON92 by factory stended whistling.gif So, how your magician know which stended tuning should use ar whistling.gif Does he has a blueprint for RON97 may I ask? whistling.gif Wish to borrow and see. Also hor, tuned based on what basis ar? Listen? See? Smell? Touch? Or CO reading? whistling.gif I wonder hmm.gif

p/s: The troll aside, most if not all magician also tune base on RPM/and engine vibration. And ofcourse, use timing light to gauge on ignition timing nia. Otherwise, it is safe to follow the given DIY tuning. Magician is also human, can't tell which is the right setup without CO reading laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 18 2015, 04:47 PM)
bro, my iswara 1999 auto got RON97 sticker on the fuel lid, which i believe still have sweat.gif
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So, your 4G15 is not from the Fiore 4G15? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Mar 18 2015, 05:47 PM)
He tune with using timing light and one machine that need to attach something on the exhaust pipe and also with some screen showing heart beat like things when rev the car... is that CO reading?
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thumbup.gif That is 1 good tuner! Were you using RON97 during the tuning? If yes, than it is optimized with RON97 liao.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 18 2015, 06:51 PM)
now that you mentioned it  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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My 1st Potong Night 8v ran very nicely with RON92 without ping at all whistling.gif Until too much pimple, put SKII half year come back, no choice to sell car when needed to drive with umbrella during rainny days yawn.gif

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